Eating carbs + fat = weight gain?

[TempestNight]

I was told that eating carbs and fat together will result in relatively higher fat and weight gain in a meal. This is because the body releases insulin to store the sugar from digesting carbs, and when fat is consumed it will also be digested and stored as body fat. The healthiest way to eat is consuming carbs and fat separately in different meals.

Is this true?

 

[Alle_Gory]

You can put on plenty of weight with a high carb low fat diet. PLENTY.

 

[TempestNight]

You can put on plenty of weight with a high carb low fat diet. PLENTY.

Yes, but I'm wondering if you gain extra weight by eating carbs and fat together in a meal. For example, steak and mashed potatoes, bread and meat, rice with meat, etc.

Vice versa it's more optimal if you intake them separately for someone who wants to lose weight or maintain his weight.

 

[Quiksilver]

Weight gain = caloric surplus

If your metabolic rate is 2500 calories per day.

And you consume 1800 calories per day of only carbs and fats together, you'll lose weight.

Eating high protein ensures that the weight you lose will mostly be adipose tissue, if your in a deficit.

When your in calorie surplus, high protein diet means any weight gain will have as high a muscle:fat ratio as your training/genetics are capable of.

 

[TempestNight]

Guys that isn't my question...

My question is simply:

Do you get more fat by eating carbs and meat together than by eating them separately?

 

[ArcBound]

Guys that isn't my question...

My question is simply:

Do you get more fat by eating carbs and meat together than by eating them separately?

http://jimmysmithtraining.com/six-p...carbs-and-fats-might-not-turn-you-into-a-blob

 

[marmel75]

I was told that eating carbs and fat together will result in relatively higher fat and weight gain in a meal. This is because the body releases insulin to store the sugar from digesting carbs, and when fat is consumed it will also be digested and stored as body fat. The healthiest way to eat is consuming carbs and fat separately in different meals.

Is this true?

100% yes, especially if you are an endomorphic body type who is already somewhat to very insulin resistant. It is a major reason why they have problems losing fat. Also make you don't eat fat within 3 hours of eating carbs since fat stays in your system longer it could still be stored as fat...

I actually created a thread regarding this a few weeks ago...

 

[TempestNight]

OK I'm getting conflicting info here.

I just asked someone I knew who did a nutrition degree and is getting her nutritionist license. She told me that the answer is no. She says calorie is calorie, the body doesn't distinguish where the calories come from. It doesn't matter in what order the food is eaten, the body will automatically respond with the appropriate enzyme and digest it.

Plus there is almost no way to completely separate fat and carbs. In most carbs like rice, pasta, noodle there is fat because they are cooked with oil. And even with meat there are often carbs on them.

She says all the low carbs or low fat diet plans are false advertisement because as long as you burn more calories than you take, you will lose weight, it doesn't matter where you get your calories from, carbs, meat, vege, fruit, etc.

So in conclusion she told me eating carbs and fat together will NOT increase the calories or fat intake from the meal.

So I guess I can start eating rice and steak again, or meat on a bun.


Unless someone can tell me she's wrong and explain it with scientific facts.

 

[Quiksilver]

Scientific results are not necessarily facts ... Scientific results are just the best guesses that the scientists could achieve.

And that nutritionist sounds like she's on top of things.

 

[Alle_Gory]

Unless someone can tell me she's wrong and explain it with scientific facts.

No need for scientific facts. It's as simple as carbs and fats making the meal too tasty and making it easy to overeat.

It's far easier to overeat mashed potatoes instead of a large baked potato with nothing on it. While it all does come down to calories in versus calories out, not all calories are created equal. It depends on your meal. Adjust your diet as necessary.

Make things easy. If you're trying to fight your body, you're doing it wrong.

 

[marmel75]

Yes, but I'm wondering if you gain extra weight by eating carbs and fat together in a meal. For example, steak and mashed potatoes, bread and meat, rice with meat, etc.

Vice versa it's more optimal if you intake them separately for someone who wants to lose weight or maintain his weight.

Those are not examples of carbs and fat, more of carbs and protein. Fat are things like oils, whole milk, cheeses, etc. Now fatty meats such as ground turkey, dark meat chicken, duck, not lean beef are fatty meats also I guess, but things like chicken breast, turkey breast, lean beef, etc are not.

Basically any meal with carbs, try and keep fat grams under 10, any meal with fat try and keep carb grams under 10.

 

[marmel75]

No need for scientific facts. It's as simple as carbs and fats making the meal too tasty and making it easy to overeat.

It's far easier to overeat mashed potatoes instead of a large baked potato with nothing on it. While it all does come down to calories in versus calories out, not all calories are created equal. It depends on your meal. Adjust your diet as necessary.

Make things easy. If you're trying to fight your body, you're doing it wrong.

It DOES NOT all come down to calories in vs. calories out...that is complete bulls**t. It all comes down to hormones, specifically insulin, leptin, testosterone, cortisol and estrogen, and eating improperly sets up your hormones to fail you...

Again, you are confusing getting "a" result with "optimal" results. Two different things.

edit: I removed your other post, it was a duplicate.

Alle_Gory

 

[ENIGMA16]

Please don't let marmel75 confuse you. For the most part it does come down to calories and macros. Meal timing is largely irrelevant, as is how you chose to reach your cals/macros, which means that no, it doesn't really matter if you eat carbs and fat at the same time.

Again, you are confusing getting "a" result with "optimal" results. Two different things.

The "optimal" that you are talking about only applies to competition-level bodybuilders and not anybody here (yourself included, most likely).

EDIT: My anecdotal argument would be that I lost 10 lbs in a month eating a ton of ice cream at the same time. Ice cream = fat + carbs. Now, marmel75 would probably come back and tell me that I could've lost more, but the reality is that 10 lbs in a month is like 2.5 lbs/wk, which is pretty much the fastest I could lose without other complications, i.e. "optimal". In other words, his "optimal" doesn't really exist in reality.

 

[Alle_Gory]

It DOES NOT all come down to calories in vs. calories out...that is complete bulls**t. It all comes down to hormones, specifically insulin, leptin, testosterone, cortisol and estrogen, and eating improperly sets up your hormones to fail you...

I agree. ****ty diet induces a poor hormonal response and PRESTO weight gain.

It also acts as a pacifier. So if you're depressed or stressed, you look for food as a comfort (usually the warm fried stuff) and even more weight gain!

My anecdotal argument would be that I lost 10 lbs in a month eating a ton of ice cream at the same time. Ice cream = fat + carbs. Now, marmel75 would probably come back and tell me that I could've lost more, but the reality is that 10 lbs in a month is like 2.5 lbs/wk, which is pretty much the fastest I could lose without other complications, i.e. "optimal". In other words, his "optimal" doesn't really exist in reality.

He's saying that if you ate ice cream your body would be all "wtf is this?" due to the fast acting sugars in ice cream. It's mostly sugar and fat.

Your body doesn't need that. It needs carbohydrates with fiber and complex meats so that as it slowly digests it has a constant and steady stream of energy and building materials.

 

[ENIGMA16]

He's saying that if you ate ice cream your body would be all "wtf is this?" due to the fast acting sugars in ice cream. It's mostly sugar and fat.

Your body doesn't need that. It needs carbohydrates with fiber and complex meats so that as it slowly digests it has a constant and steady stream of energy and building materials.

Hey I agree that macros are important, but the thing is that what he is arguing - that eating fat and carbs at the same time makes you fat - is dumb. A caloric surplus makes you fat.

 

[Quiksilver]

I agree. ****ty diet induces a poor hormonal response and PRESTO weight gain.

It also acts as a pacifier. So if you're depressed or stressed, you look for food as a comfort (usually the warm fried stuff) and even more weight gain!



He's saying that if you ate ice cream your body would be all "wtf is this?" due to the fast acting sugars in ice cream. It's mostly sugar and fat.

Your body doesn't need that. It needs carbohydrates with fiber and complex meats so that as it slowly digests it has a constant and steady stream of energy and building materials.

Please cite your sources for this intruiging information on hormonal response.

Are you saying that if my metabolic rate is 2000 cals a day and i consume 1800 cals a day of sugar/fried food/ice cream/burgers, that I'll gain weight?

 

[marmel75]

Please don't let marmel75 confuse you. For the most part it does come down to calories and macros. Meal timing is largely irrelevant, as is how you chose to reach your cals/macros, which means that no, it doesn't really matter if you eat carbs and fat at the same time.



The "optimal" that you are talking about only applies to competition-level bodybuilders and not anybody here (yourself included, most likely).

EDIT: My anecdotal argument would be that I lost 10 lbs in a month eating a ton of ice cream at the same time. Ice cream = fat + carbs. Now, marmel75 would probably come back and tell me that I could've lost more, but the reality is that 10 lbs in a month is like 2.5 lbs/wk, which is pretty much the fastest I could lose without other complications, i.e. "optimal". In other words, his "optimal" doesn't really exist in reality.

Losing weight and losing fat are completely different things.

 

[marmel75]

Please cite your sources for this intruiging information on hormonal response.

Are you saying that if my metabolic rate is 2000 cals a day and i consume 1800 cals a day of sugar/fried food/ice cream/burgers, that I'll gain weight?

Vince Gironda, one of the first bodybuilders that really focused on optimizing nutrition and methods was the first to talk about it. John Romaniello, trainer for many actors and stars talks about it in his writings, as does Elliott Hulse in Lean Hybrid Muscle and Ben Pakulski in MI40.

Eating carbs and fat together will not necessarily make you gain weight, but it will make it very hard to lose body fat, especially if you have endomorphic tendencies, which means you are insulin resistant already.

I can also state that I have dropped 18 lbs in 5 weeks and 4+% bodyfat following this method, whereas no matter what I did previously, I was basically stuck at the same weight.

 

[ENIGMA16]

Losing weight and losing fat are completely different things.

When I was losing 2.5lbs/wk and eating a half tub of ice cream a day my lifts were going up. I have endomorphic tendencies.

 

[marmel75]

When I was losing 2.5lbs/wk and eating a half tub of ice cream a day my lifts were going up. I have endomorphic tendencies.

Good luck with your methods then is all I can say to you. What was/is your bodyfat percentage?