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[zekko]

I'm not in "the game" anymore, but I can't help but notice what goes on around me.

I know this 23 year old kid. Out of the 20 or so mutual female friends and acquaintences we have, he has banged about half of them. He has propositioned the other half. I don't think he considers himself a player or anything like that. He's just a friendly, dopey kid, who happens to be very horny. He doesn't really have a lot going for him. Maybe slightly better than average looking in the face, slightly stocky, not in particularly good shape, maybe about 10-20 pounds overweight.

The girls know what he's after, but I don't think they consider him a player type either. He doesn't have a bad boy vibe. He even has an air of innocence around him - like I said he comes across as a friendly, dopey kid. Some of the girls are younger, some are older, some are pretty, some are outright wildebeasts - doesn't matter to him. The 10 girls he's banged are probably about the same 10 girls that I would guess would bang him.

I think he gets laid because he's no deep thinker: When he gets horny, he knows he wants to fvck, and proceeds. His strategy is simply invite the girl over, and escalate.

Here are my conclusions:
I think about half the girls you meet are DTF. Doesn't matter if they're married, single, or have boyfriends. You just have to be able to get out of your own way, don't have any hangups about it. In other words, don't worry about whether she'll like you or not, don't worry if you're good enough for her, don't worry if it will hurt if she says no. Just avoid repulsing her somehow, and don't worry that you might repulse her. In other words, get out of your own way, and let nature take its course.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Here are my conclusions:
I think about half the girls you meet are DTF. Doesn't matter if they're married, single, or have boyfriends. You just have to be able to get out of your own way, don't have any hangups about it. In other words, don't worry about whether she'll like you or not, don't worry if you're good enough for her, don't worry if it will hurt if she says no. Just avoid repulsing her somehow, and don't worry that you might repulse her. In other words, get out of your own way, and let nature take its course.

I agree with your conclusions but the number that are DTF any given guy can vary between 0% and exceeding 90% depending on if you pass the appearance standard test and how well you exceed it. If you're the "hot" and smooth guy over 80% of the same females are DTF. If your average or below looking maybe the same females are DTF 10% or even down 0%.

It also matters if we are talking about meeting the girls through a social circle or cold approaches. Cold approaches are pretty low. Even the best guys who can close over 90% of girls through a social group would be very hard pressed to get anywhere near 50%.

I was wondering how do you know how many and who from the group he's has fuked or not? I assume one of the females told you. This is the power of SP and females gossiping (that can work for or against you though). Once one fuks you most of the others have to do it too. This guy is apparently help in a positive view in the group. I'd be out on his own he would probably not get any where near the same success level.

 

[zekko]

I agree with your conclusions but the number that are DTF any given guy can vary between 0% and exceeding 90% depending on if you pass the appearance standard test and how well you exceed it.

Yeah, I agree with that. But I'm saying generally speaking, about half the girls you meet are open to the idea of a fling, whether they're married, have a boyfriend, or whatever.

Even the best guys who can close over 90% of girls through a social group would be very hard pressed to get anywhere near 50%

Well, you're right, I'm talking about social circle here. He does do cold approaches too, he's shown me some pictures of some of his conquests. But yeah, I imagine he has a much lower percentage with those.

The other thing you have to remember, the guy has NO standards. He's banged some really hot looking girls, but he's also done girls I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. Those girls don't have many options, so I'm sure they were grateful for the attention. Banging the fatties and ugs would bring up your percentage I would imagine, lol.

I was wondering how do you know how many and who from the group he's has fuked or not?

It's a couple things. I live in a fairly small town, so a lot of people know each other. Also, by the time you get to be 50 years old, you've met a lot of people. Also, I work at a place that employs a large group of people, so I meet a lot of people there.

As for how I know who he's fvcked, I've found out about different instances from different people. So I guess that's gossip, but it hasn't been all women. He's also told me of a few himself, with accompanying pictures of the girl in his bed. I guess he likes photography.

 

[Mike32ct]

The beginning of this thread is sort of like the dbot - "Follow your d&ck" thread. I agree there is something to be said about just going for it.

Is this dude tall, like over 6'?

I also agree about the social proof thing. The key is to have WOMEN do the gossiping. Do NOT brag about your conquests to anyone...except maybe on here lol.

Women love a guy that is known (in the social circle) so he's not a psycho, i.e he's safe. Plus he's been "field tested" by other women so they know he's good in the sack. Plus he's a decent non-clingy guy to hang around with, and finally he keeps his mouth shut about it. I know a guy just like that. He F-ed about 40% of the females in his social circle. But he's still a fairly handsome dude.

 

[K2000kidd]

I used to work with a guy that looked like peewee herman and women would brag to each other after going a few rounds with him then pass him along to their friends. Rumor has it he made some girl light headed while fking her and life has never been the same. Ahh to be "that guy"

 

[zekko]

Is this dude tall, like over 6'?

Good guess, but no, he can't be over 5'11".
He's not the kind of guy with a big presence, not the guy when he walks into the room you can see all the women melt. I've heard a few girls say he was cute, but usually that's before they get to know him

Women love a guy that is known (in the social circle) so he's not a psycho, i.e he's safe

Yeah, he definitely comes across as safe. Like I said, he's not all that bright, so he comes across as kind of harmless, even innocent.

He's definitely not clingy. He has no desire for a regular girlfriend at all, or so he's told me.

He doesn't seem "alpha". When I feel around him, I feel very dominant over him. He doesn't seem to care about stuff like that, he just wants to get laid. He's very laid back.

Here are some things he does from a pickup standpoint:

He doesn't care about rejection. Rolls right off his back.

He's very touchy-feely (with women only). I've seen him give an old woman a back and shoulder massage for ten minutes (maybe he thinks he's the Zohan). And yet some of the prettiest girls I know, he's banged.

He texts a lot. I know they say not to do that here but I think it helps him build rapport and comfort. When he meets a girl he will text her a lot, and throw in sexual suggestions ("So when we gonna fvck?").
As you can see from the above, he's very direct.

It's strange, because I don't even think of him as being successful with women, although I guess he is. But it's strictly short term. Women know they can have sex with him no strings attached. But they don't usually get hung up on him. I don't think he has that much depth. I think it's harder to get a girl to fall for you, than it is to just have sex with them.

I used to work with a guy that looked like peewee herman and women would brag to each other after going a few rounds with him then pass him along to their friends. Rumor has it he made some girl light headed while fking her and life has never been the same. Ahh to be "that guy"

Maybe they just have big d!cks.

 

[Maxtro]

So he's better than average looking and 5'11.

In other words, he's pre-approved by almost any girl he approaches.

If he was just average looking and short, then I'd be interested in the story.

 

[Stagger Lee]

So he's better than average looking and 5'11.

In other words, he's pre-approved by almost any girl he approaches.

If he was just average looking and short, then I'd be interested in the story.

I've heard a few girls say he was cute, but usually that's before they get to know him

Exactly, I'm not one to say height is a big factor but he's 5'11. That is tall to most girls, or at least tall enough. Key point is girls are saying he's cute. So girls think he's attractive and it doesn't matter what zekko or anyone other guy thinks. He's 23. So basically he's a young, attractive, natural with game from the start. That's exactly who fvcks most all the young, attractive girls. There's no real revelation here. About the only thing here is that you don't need PUA info and tactics to do it, and that he is direct and uses sexual come ons. But for that to work you have to be considered cute or hot and non needy. Well also that a lot of things commonly said on here is wrong, like not to text and that older men are more attractive to younger females. I never agreed with either of those. Appearance is the number one thing.

 

[st_99]

I think it's harder to get a girl to fall for you, than it is to just have sex with them.

True, anybody can have sex wih a girl, IMO the ability to make a girl infatuated with you is some really good skills to have. Then you can have them anytime you want.

 

[zekko]

Exactly, I'm not one to say height is a big factor but he's 5'11. That is tall to most girls, or at least tall enough.

Well, he's about average height for a guy, maybe a bit taller. He's not short, I agree. But I know these tall guys who come around and the girls get all dreamy eyed and giggly and hang on their every word. He's not one of them, he's not THAT tall. He's tall enough that it isn't a handicap for him.

He's 23. So basically he's a young, attractive, natural with game from the start. That's exactly who fvcks most all the young, attractive girls.

Yeah, probably. When you're part of the same peer group there's a connection there. I still think girls like them a little older though (I believe I've seen studies that girls like guys about 4 years older on average).

Well also that a lot of things commonly said on here is wrong, like not to text and that older men are more attractive to younger females.

I'll ignore that second bit
But the texting, I know several guys who shag lots of woman who are big time texters, and they definitely use it to their advantage. Rapport and Comfort. Women love to text, and as long as you're not needy about it, I don't see where it hurts.

I guess the guy does have a lot of natural qualities, maybe I haven't given him enough credit. But he's not the classic image of a PUA, he's no alpha. He doesn't walk around giving DHVs or negs. He doesn't AMOG the guys around him. He doesn't have a six pack or spend a lot of time at the gym. He's just friendly and horny.

But the point is if you're just looking to have sex, there are girls out there who are open to the idea, who are looking for a little adventure and appreciation. You ever notice some girls just give off that vibe? If you just get out of your own way (and you don't look like a troll) you could probably give it to them.

Appearance is the number one thing.

I don't think appearance is the number one thing necessarily, but it's more important that pickup gurus will tell you. Studies have shown that most couples that pair up are of about the same level of physical attraction, so there must be something to it.

 

[logic1]

Women know they can have sex with him no strings attached

This is the gist of it but there is more at play than NSA. They feel safe, secure and know they can have fun. They know by his personality they can open up in all sorts of ways. They know they can follow thru with their fantasies without worry. He is the go to guy for fun without the drama.

Word travels fast in groups of women.