DONJUANFOREVER V.S. THE WORLD: Choosing Manhood over Attraction

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I’ve been searching myself lately to find out exactly, WHY, am I still so unfulfilled, unhappy, and really “don’t like” women in particular. It’s almost as if I can’t trust them, and I discovered why. (No, lol…this is not a hate post)

As most of you know, majority of women are dominated by society, and the “what’s cool” and the “what’s not cool” in society. What her friends think, what her family thinks, what everyone else thinks, she is dominated by and also forms her decisions on.
The problem I am having with women is this. When my masculinity is high, and I make sure it is before I leave the house, you know how you can just “feel” like someone is lusting after you, that’s what I feel from women everywhere I go.

The problem is this, there is something in me that’s makes me NOT meet them as much, most of the time, I ignore them. Since I search myself consistently to learn more about the way I feel, I’ve discovered something that SOME OF YOU, might also be going through.

I can go out and get my pvssy flow up, and actually get more women in a week than most guys do in a year, but I don’t feel that they are “FRIENDS, TRUSTWORTHY, OR LOYAL.” The reason being, is that I am a MAN, and I don’t follow the status quo, NOR do I follow what the social norms are, NOR do I join in, or follow in to what EVERYONE ELSE is doing, I do my own thing….and because of that, at times, I get quote on quote “everybody” not liking me because of that.

Because I KNOW that I won’t follow the status quo, reason being is that because majority of the time what most people think is completely fvcking wrong and I don’t wanna be apart of it….because I KNOW I am like this, I can see down the line with just about every female I encounter.

RIGHT NOW, everyone likes me, so since my masculinity is high and attraction really isn’t a choice, SHE’LL SHOW IT, she’ll hang on my shoulder, she’ll confess loudly, “I LOVE DONJUANFOREVER!!”

BUT LATER, when “everyone” begins to do something, or when everyone is doing the “popular” thing, and I DON’T follow in but disagree with it (because most times it’s stupid, and plus I am more of a leader anyway) this causes some people to quote on quote “not like me” and “think I’m a jerk” or what not. Sooo now, even though my masculinity is still high, and attraction really isn’t a choice, however, no longer is it “okay” to hang on my arm, no longer is it “okay” to shout “I love donjuanforever” even though she feels that way. She hides it, svcks it in, and tries to “think” on something else. I can tell the attraction is still there, because all the usual, normal, natural “attraction” signals are still there, but she “acts” like they are not.

Because I know majority of girls to show their true feelings when I’m “liked” then all of a sudden hate me when I’m “not liked” this makes me NOT meet women as much as I would. Make no mistake, a pvssy flow of 10 girls is nothing for me to obtain, a pvssy flow larger than that is easy as well because I understand how to make her panties wet.

But I’m at the point where, I know that I can’t be popular all the time, and I don’t want to INVEST my time with women who will drop off when “everyone” else decides I am not “unacceptable.”

Let me ask you guys this. And really think before you answer.

Are you a man?
Are you a don juan?
Do you understand the fact that men don’t DO what EVERYONE ELSE does, so at times, he might deal with persecution?

If you got all that, remember the HOW TO become attractive? Say you do that, now all the women want you. Let me ask you this? How many of those women do you think WILL STILL OPENLY WANT YOU, when a situation comes up that the “group” or “everybody” wants to do something, thinks a certain way, etc., and you disagree with it, and the group or everybody now sees you as “unacceptable,…..how many girls do you think will STILL OPENLY WANT YOU?

My dilemma now, which is not really a dilemma because I’ll choose to be a man over a bytch anyday. But my situation, is that even though I am “attractive” my “manhood” gets in the way and causes the so called, “women” to leave.

Let’s discuss this as far as, what is a man to do in this situation? I won’t cave in, I can’t, I’m too masculine, lol. I don’t want to be pissed at women for just dropping off because I’m not “accepted” anymore, which I should be. I want a pvssy flow of women that I can be NOT ONLY attractive, but ALSO A MAN, and that’s have my own beliefs, my own values, my own ideals, even though everyone else my not like it, she won’t drop off just because I am no longer, “accepted.”

I thought this would be a great discussion. I’m doing a report for a client, I’ll be on the computer all day, I look forward to the replies.

DonJuanForever
 
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Also to add to the thread. The very true nature of a man is to have his own beliefs, his own world, etc....it's to be a leader. WHAT MAJORITY of men do, is after they become attractive...THEY KISS AZZ.

They really want to "say" something but won't because everybody might not like it and it might piss everybody off.

They really want to "do something else," but won't say it because everybody might not agree and might thinks it's dumb to do so.

He might choose to not KISS A GIRL'S AZZ, because he really doesn't see the point, and everybody hates him for it.

So now, even though he's a man, even though the attraction is there, he's now a social outkast.

Eventually what happens, is that his beliefs creates a new way of doing things, in other words, his way becomes "the way" NOW, everyone likes him again. NOW, all the women are "okay" to open confess their true feelings.

What happens when the cycle repeats itself? What happens when he must stand up again for what's right and not what's popular?

I believe that women should stand by their men, even if no one else is...but they won't do that, especially if, the man is disliked by the majority.

The women I want in my pvssy flow, are those who won't drop off when I'm no longer "acceptable." I AM A MAN, and MY WHOLE OUTLOOK AND DESIRE, is to create my own world (which I have) and continue to do so. Well this piss people off? You damn right it will? Would I give a damn, hell no. But would she give a damn...well, the answer is obvious, because they drop off me quicker than ever.

But honestly, I don't care if they do. The only thing I get pissed at, is that I wasted my time with her.

I'll be around, look forward to this discussion.

DONJUANFOREVER
 

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That is the price we pay for creating our own world. Leaders are normally the loneliest people on earth.
 
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Mastery it's not lonilness thats the issue, I believe that "loneliness is just a lack of focus." Loneliness is just a state of mind, not an absence of people.

But my problem is NOT that I can't go get women, that problem is over. The problem is, the only ones I see, the only ones I encounter, don't really have the tools or the support of my dreams. It's almost as if they are not really "for me" they just "use me" since they can't use me for money (because I don't give them none) they use me for status and sex.

Some guys might say, "Well, what's wrong with that?" Alot of things! As I said earlier, when everyone "dislikes me" she will fall off, when I stop fvcking her she'll fall off.

My goal of this whole thing honestly, is just to find women who are supportive, caring, and kind of like "best friends." They support my ambitions, dreams, etc...all I'm getting are just women who want to fvck. After I leave I
feel empty as fvck and used.
 
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Oh guys, lol, I know you've got more to say than this, lol.

But I guess I've kind of solved my own problem, I got a better "marketing" thing I will do. I mean, majority of ones I had been acquiring were party girls, so now I am going to acquire more nice girls, and also keep a few party girls around for the hell of it.

Nice discussion guys, (lol, what discussion?)
 

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yoooo im on vacation rite now so i got only a minute - but i will respond to ur thread fully later, just keep it bumped up!!! obv since no one replied to this, no one actually wants to talk about something worthwhile....but i will, only wheni have moretime!
 

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well, it sounds like you're looking for a steady girlfriend. Having 10 girls as ****buddies is brilliant but its just that ... ****ing. Why should any of those girls stick by your side in bad times? After all, neither of ye realy believe you have anything deep if you're also ****ing 9 other girls at the same time.
 

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quote on quote


are you trying to say, "quote, un-quote" ?
:p
 

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Ive noticed the same thing. Women aren't loyal and their feelings can change at the drop of a hat. Would you ever expect your best buddy that you've known for 10 years to break into your car and still your stereo? It would never happen. Now a woman that you've been initmate with for 10 years will lie, cheat, and steal from you. It happens all the time.
I once heard a buddy say that if it weren't for the fact that women have pussies men would never interact with them.
This might sound misoginistic but I think its true. Women can be coniving disloyal byches!
 

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bigmil said:
quote on quote


are you trying to say, "quote, un-quote" ?
:p
Not to make fun, but again, the complete lack of basic skills on this site never ceases to amaze me.

The most atrocious of these transgressions is the use of the pseudo word "Guyses". As in the plural of "Guys"........even though "Guys" is already the plural of "Guy"...some feel the need to use a super plural. Also..Conversate is not a word...

End of rant.
 

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I'm right there with you DJF.. in fact, I've been working on a similar post.

There's no right answer, but I think you'd be wise to sit down and start mapping out what you want. Start looking for those traits (independent, ambitious, etc) and figure out how to extract that information quickly and easily to avoid wasting time. Believe me, it's rare that you'll pick one up in a bar who exhibits these qualities.. you've gotta dig deeper.
 

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maybe you're gay

It really sounds like you don't like girls.
 

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I understand everything you're saying DJF. But that is the price we pay for living that kind of life. I love being an outsider. Money, women, friends, enemies all come and go. But you will always be eternal to you. The world doesn't stop for nobody, and you shouldn't stop for the world.

Besides those women you're dealing with are of the temperary brand anyway. Lossing a FB is expected.
 

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Wow man, that ****s crazy how I typed a post on two different forums kind of asking this question.

My "problem" is almost hte same. Girls like me initially alot for my looks, then more for my attitude, etc, but I sometimes find that I could actually use just a girl to talk to and have fun with. In my case though, I think I might actually just make a FRIEND, and nothing else. The only problem is that I have worked so hard to become such a better man that now most of the stuff I do to be attractive isn't really conscious, and alot of the times girls end up liking me ANYWAY.

I think the key here is somehow to either:

A. Make an actual female friend that has all her **** together, really knows wtf is going on in this crazy dating world, and is actually honest about her feelings (I've only met like one or two women who actually will talk about sex and really are just ****ng awesome). The only problem is that these are the women you probably end up wanting to date.
B. Go exclusive with a woman like the above.

But if you don't wanna go exclusive then maybe being friends is good, because a woman like that doesn't get commited to quickly either, but once she does cheating is unacceptable.

It'll work itself out thouhg man, opportunities are often disguised as impossiblities.
 
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Bumped. You know I kind of answered my own question to this post already, but I'm surprised at the lack of discussion on this particular thread, lol.

I'll bump it once more.
 

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So you've found meaningless sex to be unfulfilling? :D Any girl that plays on your level that you will relate to will most likely see thru your game. There-in lies the problem.
 

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Meaningless sex is fun for a while, especially if u rarely got layed before and are just doin it for the sake of bustin a nut inside as many girls as possible, but that does get old after a while, in terms of IT STILL FEELS ****IN GOOD, but when ur not in the middle of doing it, ur either feelin good about bein such a pimp and havin all these girls lined up OR u feel like shyt cuz u got nobody that really cares about u

donjuanforever, sorry to break it to u, but there IS a way to feel good AND have all the meaningless sex u want, but u gotta be a "controllably deceiptful" man.....wat do i mean? well after my first 2 one-itis's years ago, i TRAINED myself to be able to love a girl (or at least have deep feeligns for a girl) AND at the same time go out and **** whoever else i want and not lose the feelings for that 1 girl.........so for instance, i had a gf or 2 gf's at the same time, both i had feelings for bigtime, i felt satisfied and complete emotionally, and i STILL went and ****ed as many girls as possible (yea i played them, but to a point), because i kno that in reality ITS NOT CHEATIGN UNTIL UR MARRIED, cuz the point is to play the field in as many ways as possible b4 u get married so u END UP WITH THE RIGHT GIRL

so anyway, my controlled deception was that i told the girl/girls that i love them (and i think i did, czu i felt all these non sexual i love u kinda feelings for them) but i still went out and ****ed a different girl every 2 weeks.......i was satisfying my emotional side AND my pimp/player side all at the same time

i suggest u try the same mindset - HAVE a connection with a girl, its possible, all u have to do is be sweet/romantic without supplicating, girls fall for the shyt soooo bad u have no idea (thats basically how i got all the gf's i ever had), make that connection, be with her, have a relationship, AND keep pimpin and ull b satisfied both ways

its cruel, its deceiving, but at the end of the day, UR NOT ****IN MARRIED, so this is wat u gotta do to feel at peace at the time being
 
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skip I see what you mean, let me explain more.

See I don't have a problem getting women, having the whole romance thing going on, you know after sex she talks about how much she loves me, etc., when we are on the phone the whole, "Hang up, nooo you hang up," stuff, you know what I mean.

But I also know that, from my experience from women cheating with me, I can't "love" every girl, most of them I can't because if I put my "love" in them, other guys would be dippin on the side.

I am trying to find a way to "love" a girl and guarantee that she won't cheat, lie, or deceive me. But from my experience, guys who thought their girl was so faithful, was the biggest cheat on the side and not even a "god in the sky" would have known it.

DJF
 
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