does porn destroy your ability to be attacted to one woman?

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I was listening to a talk radio show and heard an interview with this Rabbi named Shmuley Boteach and he was briefly talking about the psychological impact of pornography on men. He was saying that pornography destroys a man's ability to appreciate one woman. I really thought about that and I think he may be on to something. I think it wires in us an expectation to see variety on demand. That can't be good if you are in relationship or have a goal to be in one.

What do you guys think about that?
 

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First of all, let me say that I'm not a doctor; this is just my personal opinion. I think porn leads to a LOT of sexual dysfunction.

I gave up porn because I got so conditioned to responding to porn, that I would go soft (or be unable to c*m) when I was with a real woman.

There is nothing natural about w*cking off to a computer screen. Remember, the brain is the largest sex organ. To condition it to respond to images on a screen is NOT going to help your performance with a real woman.

Plus, given the millions of gigs of porn online, one can't help but reach the conclusion that it would lead to you wanting to stray. Instead of deepening your bond and attraction to one partner, it makes you obsessed with sc*ewing every hottie you can click. Porn allows you to "have" hundreds of women of all shapes, sizes, and looks. I can't see that as being helpful.

So all in all, I think porn is really bad. I'm not arguing this from a moral standpoint (although that argument can be made), but just a practical common sense standpoint.

This is off topic but a useful analogy....What about women who claim they can't c*m during intercourse? I'm willing to bet that 80+ percent of them have a dildo or vibrator that they use too much. They condition themselves to respond to a toy, and it's no wonder they can't orgasm with their partner.
 

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I think we're naturally designed to want to **** as many women as possible, for reproductive purposes. It's got nothing to do with porn.
 

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Mike32ct said:
First of all, let me say that I'm not a doctor; this is just my personal opinion. I think porn leads to a LOT of sexual dysfunction.

I gave up porn because I got so conditioned to responding to porn, that I would go soft (or be unable to c*m) when I was with a real woman.

There is nothing natural about w*cking off to a computer screen. Remember, the brain is the largest sex organ. To condition it to respond to images on a screen is NOT going to help your performance with a real woman.

Plus, given the millions of gigs of porn online, one can't help but reach the conclusion that it would lead to you wanting to stray. Instead of deepening your bond and attraction to one partner, it makes you obsessed with sc*ewing every hottie you can click. Porn allows you to "have" hundreds of women of all shapes, sizes, and looks. I can't see that as being helpful.
Exactly. I admit, I look at internet porn everyday pretty much. I just enjoy looking at nude beautiful women of all shapes, sizes, hair colors and races. Hot Japanese women, hot Brazilian women, Hot Scandinavian women... I even find the variety of women's vaginas interesting. Some with long labias, some with none, some with big ****s, some without, shaved vs landing strip, etc etc. I'll walk away wishing I can sample all these variety of women. I've been casually dating a girl for awhile, but as she's trying to pull me in closer and closer to committed relationship, I can't help but feel like I want that variety badly. I understand every guy is going to have that to an extent, but porn makes you feel like you are really "missing out" on what's out there. You just see an endless supply of super hot women that are damn near physically flawless and you start to feel less able to appreciate a normal women. It's like if all you do is drool over Photos of Ferraris and Aston Martins, that Honda Civic in your garage is going to start making you feel unsatisfied.

So all in all, I think porn is really bad. I'm not arguing this from a moral standpoint (although that argument can be made), but just a practical common sense standpoint.
I'm starting to come to your perspective. I took the first step today and deleted a lot of the porn on my computer. I couldn't bring myself yet to delete it all. But that's a start.

This is off topic but a useful analogy....What about women who claim they can't c*m during intercourse? I'm willing to bet that 80+ percent of them have a dildo or vibrator that they use too much. They condition themselves to respond to a toy, and it's no wonder they can't orgasm with their partner.
That's an interesting point. I don't know of most women have a sex toy, I doubt it, but I'm sure most women get themselves off in some way if they can't find an orgasm from a man. But in the case of women, I think it has more to do with a guy that doesn't know what he's doing. I've had no problem giving women orgasms, even if I have to go down on them.
 

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speakeasy said:
You just see an endless supply of super hot women that are damn near physically flawless and you start to feel less able to appreciate a normal women
I've dated girls who were technically porn stars, in this day and age you don't have to be Miss August anymore to be a porn star. Super hot girls don't screw any better than the rest, but they are a lot more fun to watch while they are working on you.

Having said that, and as mushy as it sounds, having an emotional connection to a girl who is pretty hot is about as good as it gets. Maybe you should just live a little more and then you will decide that variety is over rated.
 

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Ha, interesting that you guys are talking about this here. Rollo brought this up as a buffer in his thread in the Archives and this quote very much applies to this topic:

the idea that a man viewing / using porn is equitable to infidelity is a feminine operative convention - namely shame. Women masturbating is liberating or empowering, if not downright sexy. A man masturbating is failure, perversion and vile. Why do you suppose that is? What would be the latent function or purpose of this social convention? It reinforces women's sexuality as being a prize to be sure, but if men can (and regularly do) achieve that same prize (or can simulate it well enough) her sexuality as a commodity becomes devalued. Therefore male self-pleasuring deprives her of her first best agency with men.
speakeasy, I find it interesting that you think that we are NOT wired to see variety on demand. You said that watching porn wires us to see variety on demand. Where I'd argue that we ARE ALREADY wired to want variety. You can go "ogle at the ladies" with your guy friends, no matter their relationship status (married, LTR, engaged, single, player, etc.) Why do you suppose that is?

Wouldn't you then say that we ARE wired to want variety? For lot of guys these days, realistically it is impossible to get variety simply because they are tied to one woman or don't know how to pick up women. So they settle with what they can get and try to justify their shortcoming in interacting with women by saying, "Porn is bad for you because it makes you want variety which is really valueless if you have one woman with you".

See what I'm getting at? It's like the short guys who can't dunk blame the tall guys who can in order to make them feel bad for being able to dunk. Or better analogy, it's like guys who are married or are in relationships trying to shame single guys who spin plates. "What I cannot have, I must make it look bad otherwise my weaknesses will be exposed."
 

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Shmuley Boteach scribed the book Kosher Sex and even has his own Wikipedia entry. He must be a prominent guy.

Amazon.com review:

Kosher Sex is based on the idea that sex is holy. Written by Shmuley Boteach, a Hasidic rabbi, the book occupies the interesting juncture between sex and religion. Using traditional Jewish thought, Boteach attempts to remove sexual taboos and explain the power and place of sex within a marriage...

Some of Boteach's ideas may strike a liberal reader as overly conservative--his thoughts are directed at married couples, as he firmly believes sex has no place outside of this committed bond. Furthermore, his beliefs on such issues as the place of masturbation and pornography in marriage, whether or not sex should be used to settle arguments, and if the lights should be on or off while making love may make Dan Savage or Susie Bright fans cringe...

Publishers Weekly:

Despite its title's implication, Kosher Sex is not a prudish book. Rather, this manifesto on using sex as a marital aid takes the view that sex is not to be suppressed in the name of piety but directed toward a more fulfilling, emotionally intimate relationship. A Hasidic rabbi who counsels religious and secular alike in matters of the bedroom, Boteach (The Jewish Guide to Adultery) draws less on mystical and Orthodox teachings and more on personal anecdotes to support his wholesome ideals. The sexual revolution, he argues, has demystified sex and numbed us to its power, with disastrous results. To avoid becoming a statistic, Boteach advises couples to seek kosher sex, not great sex. The difference? The latter "consists entirely of motions," while the former seeks to "elicit lasting emotions." Boteach also takes to task those who assert that a large number of partners prepares one for a long-term relationship, and argues for young marriages, before couples become fully formed adults...
Therein rests his bias. No sex for girlfriends -- marriage only. Forget about test drive dating, forget about getting a sense of your adult individuality, and forget about great sex. Marry young and stupid. Naturally, then, under such viewpoint, pornographic imagery itself is equally damaging as the actual action of adultery, as it wedges division between the spiritual union of a man and a woman bonded in marriage. Ironically, marriage causes testosterone levels to drop, contributing to sexless marriages. With this context in mind:
He was saying that pornography destroys a man's ability to appreciate one woman.
Masturbation is a sexual relieve valve and men primarily need visuals whereas women primarily need toys. Science has proven men are much impersonal and emotionally detached about sex than women, and the most prevalent male fantasies revolve around sex with strangers. This does seem to somewhat undermine Boteach's premise concerning kosher sex and "eliciting lasting emotions," precisely because it seems to treat male and female sexuality the same. As addressed in the aforementioned quote by Rollo Tomassi, not star of LA Confidential. Pornography is best described as serving the perfunctory biological function of sexual relief and is often argued as preventing the more serious consequence -- acting on sexual impulses where societal constructions (i.e. relationships) would suffer. It's not like we develop emotional attachments.
Mike32ct:
There is nothing natural about w*cking off to a computer screen. Remember, the brain is the largest sex organ. To condition it to respond to images on a screen is NOT going to help your performance with a real woman.
Consider ubiquitous male arousal to photographic images of nude young women (pornography). Being aroused by two-dimensional images could not constitute an adaptation because it shows no evidence of design (and, of course, because no graphic two-dimensional images of nude women existed in the environments of our ancestors). Being aroused by the sight of live three-dimensional nude young women shows clear evidence of design, however. Because the minimum male parental investment is relatively small, any ancestral man who routinely failed to become aroused at the sight of live, young nude women, and who needed numerous other criteria to be met prior to arousal (e.g., knowledge of the social status of the woman's family, her ancestral pedigree, her sense of humor, gathering and cooking skills) would have missed many profitable, low-cost opportunities to reproduce. Arousal to pornography, therefore, is no doubt a by-product of the male adaptation to become aroused at the sight of live, young nude women. (Excerpt from "Human sex differences in sexual psychology and behavior", Annual Review of Sex Research, 2001)
I gave up porn because I got so conditioned to responding to porn, that I would go soft (or be unable to cüm) when I was with a real woman.
I have been looking at pornography, on and off, in long cycles of interest and disinterest, since I was 12. That's 17 years, give or take. My tastes in women have evolved over the years, as I myself have evolved, though I have never really gotten into anything too hardcore. Pundits would argue pornography would have set expectations so unrealistically high that once I lost my virginity* I would be in sorrow for the failed unrealistic expectations. Rather, when I did finally, my first time exceeded my expectations (and I had no problems performing). Why, because I have always known pornography is not reality, realistic neither of sexual behavior nor interpersonal relationships. The only time I've experienced sexual dysfunction was when I masturbated hours before an encounter, not because of any prior "conditioning" from pornography, I would surmise. You said earlier "to condition [yourself] to respond to images on a screen is NOT going to help your performance with a real woman"—pictures aside, when it came to watching videos I knew exactly what I was doing.

My only regret with pornography is that it spoiled the mystery of what's underneath girls' clothing.

(* Heck, who I am kidding. No guy ever 'loses' his virginity. We get rid of the damn thing!)
 
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I realize this will draw some fire from the masturbation / no-masturbation set here, but porn (as men use it) is a Buffer against rejection. Porn doesn't talk back, porn doesn't need a few drinks to loosen up nor does porn require any social skills to produce rewards. It's convenient, immediate, sexual release that requires nothing more than a PC and an internet connection (or a magazine if you prefer the analog means). We can argue the obsessive-compulsive aspect of it, or the "my GF and I enjoy porn together" reasoning, but for the single guy the root reasoning is it's facility as a Buffer. I should also add that it's this very facility that makes women hate it (when they do). Porn gives a guy his reward for free; a reward that should be her single best agency is rendered valueless when a man can get off to an infinite variety of sexual experience at the click of a mouse. It's unlimited access to unlimited sexual availability.

I'm not saying don't enjoy porn, but know that it is a Buffer that will limit the development of your social maturity if it goes unchecked.

I fully concur with DEEP DISH on porn's value as a sexual educator, however, when it becomes a man's preferred means of sexual release, this is an indication that it's become a Buffer for him.
 

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If you get regular sex anyway, and you reach about my age - eventually you arrive at a crossover point. What crossover point do I mean? I mean the point where you have no excess sex - or sexual desire - to give beyond what you normally get on those 2-4 days a week of real sex.

When i was in my 20s especially, I wanted to c** about 3 times as much as I actually had sex. I would have had to have been unmarried, with 3-4 plates - and popping all of them - for "real women" to have met my total sexual needs.

But now? If I mess around with porn online, I don't even get horny for 2 days after and my wife wonders why I'm not chasing her around the house. In fact, my timeframe for wanting sex is in the 2-3 day range now.

I guess what I'm trying to say is - be sure its really the porn - and not the fact that when you're in your 30s, you might just not have any sexual drive after c**ing for a couple of days.

Do I take care of my body? Absolutely. I work out every day in some fashion, take multi-vitamins, and usually get enough sleep. I also don't have any erectile dysfunction. I'm just getting older. I'm 37 now. About 3 times a week fully satisfies me. Since I'm married, I nothing left to give on porn... or anything/anyone else for that matter.

This doesn't bother me by the way. I'm taking my slow, but sure neutering in stride. Its actually quite refreshing to not be sex, mind-crazy all the time, like I used to be.
 

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I liken the use of porn to the use of a knife (but in less intense parallel). It all depends how you use a knife, it can be used to hunt, cut food, make stakes etc. Or it can be used to kill or injure.

I find that when used appropriately I'm able to discover new sexual fantasies that I'd like to try on girls in real life. I see the way a guy ****s, how long he lasts, or a certain sexual situation and try to recreate the experience that turned me on.

At it's worst it turns into a crutch or an excuse not to call up girls to go out at night. It can become a routine daily habit of reliance and constantly taking your mind out of your body and on to the monitor. And it can turn you into a one minute man in bed if you don't pay attention to the process of quick release instead of a paced controlled healthy masterbation.

TV does this, so do drugs, alchohol, whatever. I think that as long as you have a life that's more important and things going on it shouldn't really be a huge problem.
 

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Its a natural biological drive to seek out multiple partners. As a man, you are driven by a base instinct to procreate. With as many women as you can. She has the desire to mate with the alpha, while keeping someone around to help raise the spawn

It has nothing to do with porn.

Consider that many cultures practice polygamy. Monogamy is very much a European construct. Oil barrons in Saudi Arabia still have their harems and a wealthy man in South America is going to get a lot of tail while his wife tolerates it.

Just the way it is. Has nothing to do with porn IMO
 

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Ugly truth time: Porn has saved more marriages than it's destroyed; it's just that wives don't want to acknowledge it.
 

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Hooligan Harry said:
Its a natural biological drive to seek out multiple partners. As a man, you are driven by a base instinct to procreate. With as many women as you can. She has the desire to mate with the alpha, while keeping someone around to help raise the spawn

It has nothing to do with porn.

Consider that many cultures practice polygamy. Monogamy is very much a European construct. Oil barrons in Saudi Arabia still have their harems and a wealthy man in South America is going to get a lot of tail while his wife tolerates it.

Just the way it is. Has nothing to do with porn IMO
I have given a lot of though to this idea of monogamy. I'm not going to say we should have polygamy or that it's alright to bang a bunch of different women when you're married, but it's a shame that this powerful urge of ours has to be surpressed. This may be a difficult thing to me, because I love women and their wide variety. I hate the thought of touching only one woman for the rest of my life. That's just not right man. At the same time, I don't want to be some jerk that cheats on his wife. I wish there was some acceptable way to resolve this. I know many cultures don't make a big stink about it if a man has a mistress on the side or bangs his secretary so long as he is taking care of his family. I wish it was like that here too.
 

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speakeasy said:
it's a shame that this powerful urge of ours has to be surpressed. This may be a difficult thing to me, because I love women and their wide variety. I hate the thought of touching only one woman for the rest of my life. That's just not right man. At the same time, I don't want to be some jerk that cheats on his wife. I wish there was some acceptable way to resolve this.

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I don't think it hurts your ablility to be attracted to one woman, but anything that takes time and effort from your woman is the enemy to her. My ex used to get self conscience because some of the flicks I watched had women that didn't look exactly like her. It made her wonder if I was attracted to her only: I was, but I was also a pretty horny guy. The interesting thing is that when she saw it and was done being all shocked and awed about how I could watch such stuff, it lead to us having sex. What that rabbi said is bull to me because I've actually seen otherwise. The real problem is either the guy doesn't handle the situation calmly when his wife or gf sees it, he's already wishing he had another woman, or the guy may be a sex addict.
 

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Twice I had to jerk off to porn immediately after I had sex. If there was no porn, I'd have blue balls.
 
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