Does being a jerk really work? I dont agree

[Rint]

You have to think about it. Does being a jerk and being mean to a girl really make her want to fvck you? I think thats just a dream. It's just like Karma you treat a girl bad she treats you bad she wont get down and suck your **** she will talk **** about you and be an ass. So i think being nice is better cause you make the girl feel better and want to be with you more so you have more chance get into her panties. I want this question answered and i good explaination behind it. Thanx everyone

 

[SELF-MASTERY]

The better you look the less attentive you can be, but game women how ever you like, the only rule is to never lose your own self-respect.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

You have to think about it. Does being a jerk and being mean to a girl really make her want to fvck you? ...

Who's giving out this type of information? :trouble:

 

[Ace of Flames]

The jerk isn't mean 24-7. That's why it works. He's ok one minute, then spouts off some sh*t the next. It sends the girl mixed messages, and she gets so wrapped up in considering his feelings toward her, she sticks with him. Also, girls like to help people, and they think they can "fix" a jerk.

Being nice doesn't work like you'd think. You have to do it in moderation. Balance out being nice with busting her balls. If you are constantly nice and affectionate, then she KNOWS you like her, love her, or whatever. That just kills all the mystery and challenge. Then it gets boring.

Didn't I just spell all this out for you in another thread earlier today??

 

[coolguy676767]

Being a jerk works, but I think the better description would be that teasing works. Its fun, its not really mean if both people have decent confidence and aren't insecure and it works like a charm.

Example of teasing:
Her: Hey lets stop talking and go dance
You: pfff(with a smile) oh I see how it is you are just using me for my body huh?(big smirk)


Example of a jerk:
Her:You want to go to club "whatever"
You: No, I am too cool to go in there

See the second example just sounds stupid and while neither one of these are the best examples it still gets the point across as there is a large range of teasing/being a jerk. Its all in moderation, because you have to be serious, funny, and tease by the flow of the conversation. Like you can't be one or the other all the time, thats what makes it interesting and keeps her hooked.

 

[Nighthawk]

Most commonly heard phrase from my girlfriend - "You're so mean. I love you."

Second most common - "You're so sweet. I love you."

 

[DonJuanForever]

This is a great discussion to jump in on. I disagree with the replies, being a jerk, unless you are truly one, is really a waste of time, let me explain why.

Alot of you guys are confused, honestly. You've found this site, found out the reason you were being rejected all over the town was due to your inner game problems. You started feeling better about yourself, thus you presented yourself more cleaner, cooler, and alpha. You stopped being afraid to be sexual all the time and with everything, thus, you connected with women on their level basically, which is sexual. As a result, guys respect you because you look "cool" and women fvck you because you are "connected" with them.

Being a jerk and playing all the "jerk" games DOES NOT make them attracted, it's more your sexuality around them. The jerk stuff they just conclude are just "men" being "men." Unless you grew up in an environment where being a bad boy is in your genes, you do not have to be one now. Period.

But the point you guys are missing, is that you seemed to forgot that you are not "trying to fvck all women." I mean, you can fvck them all, but more so, you want a targeted audience. You want a targeted group.

Sit down and figure out what you want in a girl. How you want her to act, behave, treat you, preach to you, inspire you, etc., etc. Then go out and acquire those women in your life. Yeah you could just go out and grab any girl you see and fvck her, BUT...remember, you are who your friends are, so you just FVCKIN any girl just MIGHT, effect your long term success. Ever think about that?

All women aren't the same fellows. They aren't. They are biologically the same I could say, for example, we are biologically the same. When Beyonce gets on the screen all our dycks get hard, but I am a totally different person than that guy over there, and he's different than me, you understand?

Girls are the same. While the guy who "feels good about himself" and is "sexual around them" is biologically attractive to all women, woman A is a party girl who has no sense of self. If "guy" gets with her in a relationship, she just might distract him from his goals in life. Woman B is a nice girl who is spiritual, has a sense of self, goal-oriented, and the friends she has are all good girls with loving hearts, not "Sha-ne-qua" and them talkin about what she should and shouldn't be doing with her man. So fellows, which one should you go after? It's obvious.

DONJUANFOREVER

 

[hydrocodone]

all i can say is watch how tony soprano interacts with women..you'd learn alot. although he does tend to attract alot obssesive psychotic women

 

[Tomatoes]

Being a nice guy doesnt mean you need to scheme new ways to be evil to girls.

You see nice guys right. They are like servants to girls. They are there to lick there ass. They are there to do anything in all hope that the girl will one day say "Wow your so nice to me.....Lets have sex and get married and live happily ever after."

No being a jerk just means you dont take a pvssy wipping. People on here think....Wow girls like Jerks. Im going to go and insult every girl i see.

Thats not correct. That will just get you a slap.

Just dont pedistool girls. Dont be to harsh....Its all about the balance.

Nighthawk's post illistrates this.


Sarge On!

 

[DonJuanForever]

Dude quite honestly, put her on a pedestol if you want, some guys are just pure nice guys, nothing wrong with that. But....don't lie to her. See the problem with nice guys is that they lie, they don't ACT SEXUAL around her to let her know I wanna bang yo azz. If you want to put her on a pedestol or a chopping block that really depends on your personality, just don't leave the sexuality at home.

Jerks and azzholes don't leave their sexuality at home, they bring it to the job, the restaurant, the gym, the club, the pub, the pistons game, everywhere. The nice guy usually leaves his in his CLOSET to come back home to and remember all the good times. Don't mean to sound gay but to all the nice guys, come out the closet.

 

[[S]alvatore]

all i can say is watch how tony soprano interacts with women..you'd learn alot. although he does tend to attract alot obssesive psychotic women

I was thinking of making a thread based around his character. I mean sure it's only a TV show but he's fat, ugly and balding. Yet he emits so much power, even in real life he gets thousands of letters from women who want to fvck him. Dunno whether they're hot or ugly, but still.

 

[Scorched]

walk the line

There is a fine line between being too nice and being a jerk... Find that line with every girl and walk it...

 

[KoalaKing]

The jerk isn't mean 24-7. That's why it works. He's ok one minute, then spouts off some sh*t the next. It sends the girl mixed messages, and she gets so wrapped up in considering his feelings toward her, she sticks with him. Also, girls like to help people, and they think they can "fix" a jerk.

Being nice doesn't work like you'd think. You have to do it in moderation. Balance out being nice with busting her balls. If you are constantly nice and affectionate, then she KNOWS you like her, love her, or whatever. That just kills all the mystery and challenge. Then it gets boring.

Didn't I just spell all this out for you in another thread earlier today??

I can't remember any hot babes wanting to help and fall in love with me when I was a down and out drunk living on the streets and in and out of psychiatric institutions having been diagnosed with severe depression and a personality disorder, but when I became successful in life, well dressed, highly academically qualified, was working out at the gym, and developed a confident persona, I was enabled to allure a gorgeous young girl who is now my 21 year old Wife and I'm 38, before I was 34 I would have been the perfect guy for any hot babe who desired to restore me, but it never happened, so I find it difficult to believe this.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Guys by default exist in extremes, that's what they know. They are either supplicating "nice guys" or "bad boy" jerks. My guess it's easier to be either of those than walking the tightrope in between. It's that type of "finesse" that many women enjoy more than the nice guys or jerks.

 

[Distant Light]

Please don't be a nice guy man. I have cousin's who guys hit on and they constantly tell me how the abuse nice guys because there so nice. The thing that I think goes with nice is that your actually acting like a female, submissive, feminine. What fun is it being nice?

But anyway its not really being a jerk but its conveying that maybe you are, best tool for that is C&F. You can always be more ****y than funny or more funny than ****y. I've had girls call me an *******, or get pissed off but in the end they still love you for it.

Think of it this way...your approaching a group of 3 girls that you know

Nice guy
NG: Hi ladies
Hb1,2,3: hi NG
hb1: NG can you get me some cups real quick
NG: Sure.....here you go
Hb1: thx...ya hb2 Jack is going taking us out to that club

*NG is to nice to even want to interrupt is trying to build courage*

hb2: Jack is such a jerk I asked him to buy me a drink last time but he never did I had to end up asking some guy to buy me a drink
hb3: Why are guys like that NG?
NG: He is a jerk I don't know why some men act like that

See how all that sounds, Nice guy just sounds like a puvsy and boring, he isn't even controling the conversation he is just on the back burner while they talk about Jack and the club there going too. She doesn't even invite him.

Jerk Guy
JG: Yo whats up guys
Hb1: Nothing
JG: Did you save some food for me
hb2: haha...ya...can you get some cups for us?
JG: ok but it will cost you 2 dollars
hb3: ok
JG:...1.50 upfront...if you want hb1 and 2 can put in 50 cent and you hb3 can put up 1 dollar since your a bad girl.

*JG sits down*

hb2: come on plz get us the cups
JG: Nooo...I might get beat up by the Cup bangers, I need to roll with my bodyguard hb3 (grabs her arm) lets go

As you can see he got hb3 isolated but he also gave them a hard time just to get some cups it wasn't some boring crap where he just walked to get it and come back, and then sit down.

Jerks = Fun because there unpredictable
Nice guys = Boring, and predictable because the girl ask them to do something and they do it. It gets so repetitive that its boring

 

[DonJuanForever]

Again, I don't see it as be this guy, or be that guy.

Be yourself, be your personality, let your true personality shine through. Nobody is a total jerk, or a total nice guy. I am real cool and nice and charming when my "business is great" as it is now, lol....when things get a little shaky with a client, I could turn to a jerk, lol, like last week.

Stop trying to be him, or be him, or be him over there, just be SEXUAL around women, that's it. Understand, you don't have to buy her, so you can keep your wallet in your backpocket. Understand if ****y and funny is not something you do, don't do it. ****y and funny is really stupid if the guy is not "funny". If you are funny, then ****y and funny is what you do all the time right? If you are not, don't try to be somebody that you aren't, or least, learn how to be funny if that's what you wanna be.

Be Sexual. I said a man is a male who has searched his soul and found himself, look inside yourself and find the real you, the real personality of you, bring yourself out. Then when you get around chicks, just be sexual, understand sexual is more of a state of mind and a feeling within your body (subtleness) not a jack hammer of running up and humping her leg, even though once you get the sexual part down you could do something like that.

DJF

 

[KoalaKing]

Please don't be a nice guy man. I have cousin's who guys hit on and they constantly tell me how the abuse nice guys because there so nice. The thing that I think goes with nice is that your actually acting like a female, submissive, feminine. What fun is it being nice?

But anyway its not really being a jerk but its conveying that maybe you are, best tool for that is C&F. You can always be more ****y than funny or more funny than ****y. I've had girls call me an *******, or get pissed off but in the end they still love you for it.

Think of it this way...your approaching a group of 3 girls that you know

Nice guy
NG: Hi ladies
Hb1,2,3: hi NG
hb1: NG can you get me some cups real quick
NG: Sure.....here you go
Hb1: thx...ya hb2 Jack is going taking us out to that club

*NG is to nice to even want to interrupt is trying to build courage*

hb2: Jack is such a jerk I asked him to buy me a drink last time but he never did I had to end up asking some guy to buy me a drink
hb3: Why are guys like that NG?
NG: He is a jerk I don't know why some men act like that

See how all that sounds, Nice guy just sounds like a puvsy and boring, he isn't even controling the conversation he is just on the back burner while they talk about Jack and the club there going too. She doesn't even invite him.

Jerk Guy
JG: Yo whats up guys
Hb1: Nothing
JG: Did you save some food for me
hb2: haha...ya...can you get some cups for us?
JG: ok but it will cost you 2 dollars
hb3: ok
JG:...1.50 upfront...if you want hb1 and 2 can put in 50 cent and you hb3 can put up 1 dollar since your a bad girl.

*JG sits down*

hb2: come on plz get us the cups
JG: Nooo...I might get beat up by the Cup bangers, I need to roll with my bodyguard hb3 (grabs her arm) lets go

As you can see he got hb3 isolated but he also gave them a hard time just to get some cups it wasn't some boring crap where he just walked to get it and come back, and then sit down.

Jerks = Fun because there unpredictable
Nice guys = Boring, and predictable because the girl ask them to do something and they do it. It gets so repetitive that its boring

Neither Nice Guys or Jerks are True AlphaMales, Nice Guys are basically Wusses and Pushovers who treat the Hot Babes as the Prize, Jerks on the other hand are really Fakes, they may be Fun to be with, but they all say the same ****y and Funny things over and over again, where as the true AlphaMale doesn't need to use Neg Hits or say anything at all, the Power of his Persona will bring him to the hot babes attention as soon as he enters the room, his King like Power draws them towards him, he is confident, bold, yet a real man, he uses his own individual style when he converses with the girls, not the same superficial lines that the Jerks constantly use, he will take any hot babe from any Jerk at his discretion. :yes:

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

Dude quite honestly, put her on a pedestol if you want, some guys are just pure nice guys, nothing wrong with that. But....don't lie to her. See the problem with nice guys is that they lie, they don't ACT SEXUAL around her to let her know I wanna bang yo azz. If you want to put her on a pedestol or a chopping block that really depends on your personality, just don't leave the sexuality at home.

Jerks and azzholes don't leave their sexuality at home, they bring it to the job, the restaurant, the gym, the club, the pub, the pistons game, everywhere. The nice guy usually leaves his in his CLOSET to come back home to and remember all the good times. Don't mean to sound gay but to all the nice guys, come out the closet.

I completely agree. Being a "nice guy" is not about literally treating the girls "nice". Being a "nice guy" REALLY means NOT BEING SEXUAL. IF YOU ARE NOT SEXUAL, YOU WILL NOT ATTRACT GIRLS! PERIOD! YOU CAN PLAY ALL THE GAMES IN THE WORLD, BUT IF THE SEXUALITY IS MISSING, THEN SO IS THE ATTRACTION!

You see..."nice guys" complain they don't get the girl. That is because they hide their sexual intentions and act as though sex was some forbidden word/thing. It is not simply because they are "nice". If you really are nice and at the same time, create a sexual state, then she will fall in love with you.

Simply put, being a "nice guy" means being afraid of showing sexual intentions. Not actually being nice. Read between the lines people.

 

[Distant Light]

Neither Nice Guys or Jerks are True AlphaMales, Nice Guys are basically Wusses and Pushovers who treat the Hot Babes as the Prize, Jerks on the other hand are really Fakes, they may be Fun to be with, but they all say the same ****y and Funny things over and over again, where as the true AlphaMale doesn't need to use Neg Hits or say anything at all, the Power of his Persona will bring him to the hot babes attention as soon as he enters the room, his King like Power draws them towards him, he is confident, bold, yet a real man, he uses his own individual style when he converses with the girls, not the same superficial lines that the Jerks constantly use, he will take any hot babe from any Jerk at his discretion. :yes:

You have to read A2damir's FRs I sh!t you not probably the best guy who does C&F and thats 80% of his game everything else is his inner game, body language, and voice. This guy uses C&F to the point where you would think he is a *******. C&F is not said over and over again because C&F is not a routine. C&F a tool that you would use, and even if you do say the same C&F once inawhile its most likely not the same girl. When I'm doing C&F it isn't fake its natural and congruent. Before I wasn't to into that C&F stuff, but after reading his FRs, you actually have to laugh because its funny, and the girls sometimes get pissed but they can't leave because they know they like it.

Real Life Example
There was a Nice guy friend and a Jerk Friend who both messed with the same girl. Now the jerk fuvked the girl while the nice guy didn't and will never fuvk her.

My jerk friend I used to sit and watch him run heavy C&F on this girl and she used to play like she hates it, call him an *******, stuff like that, saying he hates him, etc. He did this for awhile and I even used to bust on her because she knew she liked him so I would bust on her and DHV my friend. The end results he fuvked her and she even called him one time when she supposedly was cutting school with nice guy, but nice guy and her weren't together they was at home talking on the phone and internet.

Now Nice guy have been speaking to her on the phone for 7 months 5-6 hours a day on the phone, not including school. He walks her places, bought the girl's sister some stuff for her bday. I've stood there and seen her yell at him, I've seen her draggin him around telling him its time to go and he would leave us. I've caught him ditching us to walk around with the girl. I've gave him long inner game talks and he said he would change this summer. Friend comes back and tells me the AFC stuff that he currently is doing, how they still talk on the phone. He has told me that they onced talked about when they would fuvk each other. (Who the hell plans when they have there first fuvk thats some real holding power of sex, which should not be something to use as leverage.)

In this real life example you notice Nice guy is still trying to fuvk her and I've told him to give up 1 month after they started talking and he thought he would fuvk her then, 6 months later he is still at square one. He never even kissed her yet. Jerk on the other hand hasn't done sh!t for her, doesn't talk to her, but she can call him up anytime for sex because she has tried. She also used to be fuvking some other guy in the time span that Nice guy was trying to talk to her, she would cut school to get fuvked by that guy. So tell me who would you want to be in this case? Nice guy or Jerk?

 

[insanity]

i've heard my woman say this to me alot. "i like it when your a jerk to everybody else but me". she gets her kicks that i don't take no guff i guess. maybe thats what women love about jerks. they stand up for themselves