Do Your Buddies Look At You Differently Now?

[VladPatton]

When the subject of women come up among your friends and you fire off some of the things you picked up here, do they look at you like you are a complete aʂʂhole??? Seems some of this ʂhit is shocking to those who didn't take the red pill.

My friend of over 20 years who used to go through women more often than underwear is now a full blow estrogen junkie. He's in a 7 yr relationship with ''Miss Wonderful'', and I've noticed some major character differences in the last 2-3 yrs.

Women are victims because men can easily be rapists, girls with college degrees don't pick up socks and do dishes, guys usually Ƒuck up relationships and girls are always struggling in a man's world, all this crazy ʂhit that made me unload some hardcore SoSuave ʂhit on him. He thinks I am insane and wished me good luck on finding a girl with my backwards, archaic mentality. Ok. Heh.

So, do your friends think of you as a total douche when you talk about all these things we go through here on this forum (bratty behavior by girls, entitlement, flaking, ʂhit tests, BDP, etc.) and express a strong opinion on it?

All I know is, I'm keeping this ʂhit to myself from now on. You can't turn chumps into men.

 

[seethehoop]

My mate was into it for ten years before I got into it and he only let me in cos I started to look for myself. He wasn't being secretive he just thought I'd think he was a douche. I've tried talking to another friend but he just thinks I'm mental and that it won't work, more fool him cos I know for a fact it does.

 

[pdx1138]

This forum comes up often in discussions with my best friend.

Ever since learning what I have here and applying it, he often
compliments me on my confidence in regards to dealing with women.

 

[floydb25]

Meh... Different strokes / folks, philosophies, interests, etc. A lot of this stuff works great on certain women for the short-term. Its basically how to attract women and be aware of what's going on. This doesnt mean keeping a girl for years and years. And the two conflict themselves. But you need attraction to at least get the girl in the first place.

Nobody is really "wrong" - a player is going to be 100% different than a married guy. Everything from who he chases after, to what he does, what his intentions are, how he attracts her based on who she is and what she responds to... He's not going to care about this crap, and probably went down this route before - only to tire of all the BS you listed, and settle with someone decent who isnt into all that. And yes, they do exist.

There's too much B&W thinking going on around here, which is understandable (but not accurate). The irony is that, the more into this stuff you are (as well as a pessimistic viewpoint about everything), the greater the chances are of attracting the same type that plays games, flakes, are dumb and slutty, into bad boys and drama, etc. Thats how it works. Round and round it goes.

But, just because someone is married, or in an LTR - doesnt mean he has a quality girl who isnt into all this crap, and isnt attracted to him based solely on status, options, game, etc. So, there are still variables. People get married all the time. Just using marriage as an example above.

People forget that not everyone is the same.

 

[Mike32ct]

I don't discuss the controversial theories from SS with friends, just general game stuff.

 

[For_F]

Only discuss SS things with close mates and originally they thought I was nuts but theyre now coming around to realize that life gets so much easier and better when you basically don't have a heart attack each and every time you want to talk to a girl and once you're talking to her not being obsessive over treating her like a princess.

 

[Buddha_Mind]

I have tried getting into this too deeply in the past and I think it can bring up a lot of defensive attitudes in people, especially men who are married and in relationships or are AFC. I am trying to let sleeping dogs lie these days, as really I am after this information for my own well-being and I can't convince anyone of anything, but I can at least try and fix the problems and faults in my self.

 

[floydb25]

Funny you guys mention that... I used to get heavy into this stuff during conversations, and people were like, "SHUT UP; NO ONE CARES". I was also called Dr. Phil on many occassions. Ha Ha.

I think it varies on the person. Not everyone is analytical, dissective, intelligent, etc. Many of them simply dont care about the philosophies, arent bothered so easily, learn the ropes quickly, etc. They are also more on the shallow / social side.

I think over-sensitivity has a lot to do with it, too. Was reading a great article on that recently.

http://www.heart-2-heart.ca/men/page18.htm

But, its actually women who are more into this stuff - due to their nature of needing to know EVERYTHING. Which, ironically, is a great way to be FZ'd, and used as the NG helper / advice giver for them to attract OTHER, more exciting men. So, it can back-fire, and actually go AGAINST the same philosphies of being a challenge, maintaining mystery, etc. ****ing irony, man... It's everywhere.

Keep this **** on wraps. Basic stuff is good, like being a challenge, not obsessing over one person, not being a *****, etc. But only if the person asks, and has trouble with women. Otherwise, most people dont give a ****. Nor do they obsess or analyze like this.

Its best to use the information - not talk about it. Especially not with women you like. Yea, they might talk about guys, or ask about them, and this and that, but dont start getting excited with your knowledge; going all deep and philosophical and intellectual and being logical and giving advice. Thats how they will view you, and treat you accordingly. So, STFU about this stuff with them, and focus on being interesting, exciting, sexy, etc.

Keep the deep **** on places like here. Its what its here for. Dont make it your life or personality. Just keep the knowledge stored in your mind, and use it accordingly.

 

[backbreaker]

I have tried getting into this too deeply in the past and I think it can bring up a lot of defensive attitudes in people, especially men who are married and in relationships or are AFC. I am trying to let sleeping dogs lie these days, as really I am after this information for my own well-being and I can't convince anyone of anything, but I can at least try and fix the problems and faults in my self.

I have come to the conclusion that either men can like you, or women can like you, but not really both. the things that makes women like a man are thing that men hate to see out of other men. the things that make guys a good guy friend, make most men un alpha like. The only friends a DJ can have are other true to the game DJ's. guys don't want to be around other guys with game, they don't want to bring their GF's around you, they don't want to do **** with you, etc

my life's always been like that, when i am swimming in ***** men are no where to be found. when i have no ***** i have a bunch of guy friends.

 

[floydb25]

I have come to the conclusion that either men can like you, or women can like you, but not really both. the things that makes women like a man are thing that men hate to see out of other men. the things that make guys a good guy friend, make most men un alpha like. The only friends a DJ can have are other true to the game DJ's. guys don't want to be around other guys with game, they don't want to bring their GF's around you, they don't want to do **** with you, etc

my life's always been like that, when i am swimming in ***** men are no where to be found. when i have no ***** i have a bunch of guy friends.

Yep. A lot of it has to do with competition, status, jealousy, and ego. And, men hate other successful men, and will try to tear them down at any opportunity. Or otherwise ****-block, sabotage, etc.

Guys arent to be trusted around other women, because it becomes one big ****-swinging contest. I used to bring girls around my friends, and thought it would be better to socialize and relax in a group setting. Yea, no.

It also isnt a good idea to share your failures with women around them, in hopes of gaining sympathy and positive advice - because those are weaknesses to be used against you, and destroy your "rep", and claim superiority in status over you. They will also tell you things to belittle you, such as being ugly, having too high of standards, and on and on. Its always negative, and flaw-pointing in nature. They are your COMPETITION - thats why. They want you to fail.

But it is a lot different - like you say - between attracting men and women. Worlds apart, really. And the jealousy, ego, etc has a lot to do with it. Plus, just basic attraction. Someone who "wants" you will think you're funny, hot, interesting... Men, meanwhile, wont. Especially if women do. Then they'll tear you down even more.

Guys are also more directly aggressive and selfish, and will do a lot of **** to sabotage your successes - while maintaining their interests and control. They ALWAYS want to know whats going on, will say "bro's before ho's", call you *****-whipped, etc. As well, they have their egotistical, delusional views of how things should be (ie, they are the only attractive people in the universe, and everyone else is below them) - and will even try to make this a reality - all because they said so. **** 'em.

Gotta focus on YOU, and your interests - just like they are doing. Dont put other people above you, and allow yourself to fall behind - while they bask in your failure. Dont believe, or act on their crap, either.

Even beyond that - its SO much easier to get women in a 1 on 1 setting. No distractions, pressure, fear (people dont like to get rejected when theres a big group around, and therefore wont approach... plus shyness), you dont have to act when others are surrounding you (ie, showing off, gloating), etc.

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

When the subject of women come up among your friends and you fire off some of the things you picked up here, do they look at you like you are a complete aʂʂhole??? Seems some of this ʂhit is shocking to those who didn't take the red pill.

My friend of over 20 years who used to go through women more often than underwear is now a full blow estrogen junkie. He's in a 7 yr relationship with ''Miss Wonderful'', and I've noticed some major character differences in the last 2-3 yrs.

Women are victims because men can easily be rapists, girls with college degrees don't pick up socks and do dishes, guys usually Ƒuck up relationships and girls are always struggling in a man's world, all this crazy ʂhit that made me unload some hardcore SoSuave ʂhit on him. He thinks I am insane and wished me good luck on finding a girl with my backwards, archaic mentality. Ok. Heh.

So, do your friends think of you as a total douche when you talk about all these things we go through here on this forum (bratty behavior by girls, entitlement, flaking, ʂhit tests, BDP, etc.) and express a strong opinion on it?

All I know is, I'm keeping this ʂhit to myself from now on. You can't turn chumps into men.

Tell your moron friend to go to India or Russian and then talk about a "man's world" in North America.

Women from most countries would KILL to get the North American princess treatment.

Anyone who thinks we live in a "man's world" in modern day North America has their head stuck up their a$$ so bad that it will probably never come out.

 

[MM92]

I see a friend making the obvious mistakes spoken about on here and try to alert him before it's too late. He's stubborn and never listens and fails to keep any sort of attraction with a female for a decent period of time. I just laugh and show him where he's going wrong. His loss.

 

[Plutoman]

I've spoken of some of it, but typically had AFC's blow up in my face. I've been called archaic, conservative, etc etc. Especially two guys I knew - I had thought, them being very intelligent men, that they would comprehend it, but they just white knighted everything. One especially, who got beat around and emotionally abused in a 7-year relationship, I wanted to help the guy out.

He's going to end up in the same loop he was in before, though, as my advice was totally lost on him and he stubbornly stuck to all the belief's that lost him his relationship and had him feeding a girl's ego, paying for her ****, and watching her cheat on him for 5 out of the 7 years of their relationship. Girl's ugly, too.

Meh.

At this point, I'll talk about some of it with my closest buddy - he's not a great looking guy, he really doesn't give a **** about much of life, but he's a cool guy and I'm aiming to wing him at some point and get him laid. But, that'll have to wait until I get more money. I've got two close friends who I'll speak of it with and they are the only ones.

Oh, I do speak about it with other unplugged dudes, though - ran into a few at starbucks, and one of them mentioned the word hypergamy.. from then on, we've been great pals. Nice large generational gap, too, so we don't compete.

 

[Trump]

When the subject of women come up among your friends and you fire off some of the things you picked up here, do they look at you like you are a complete aʂʂhole??? Seems some of this ʂhit is shocking to those who didn't take the red pill.

My friend of over 20 years who used to go through women more often than underwear is now a full blow estrogen junkie. He's in a 7 yr relationship with ''Miss Wonderful'', and I've noticed some major character differences in the last 2-3 yrs.

Women are victims because men can easily be rapists, girls with college degrees don't pick up socks and do dishes, guys usually Ƒuck up relationships and girls are always struggling in a man's world, all this crazy ʂhit that made me unload some hardcore SoSuave ʂhit on him. He thinks I am insane and wished me good luck on finding a girl with my backwards, archaic mentality. Ok. Heh.

So, do your friends think of you as a total douche when you talk about all these things we go through here on this forum (bratty behavior by girls, entitlement, flaking, ʂhit tests, BDP, etc.) and express a strong opinion on it?

All I know is, I'm keeping this ʂhit to myself from now on. You can't turn chumps into men.

He doesn't care he is considered a chump or a man.

- He's getting laid regularly and is not living alone, he will sacrifice some or most of his alpha qualities for this.
- There is no reason for him be alpha now, he has gotten laid enough in the past and now he just wants companionship and get laid with the same women.

Think alpha qualities is to get laid fast with minimal effort, once you done it 30 times with hot women, it loses it lustre and you just don't want to be alone, so you will sacrifice some of its qualities to not be alone. As everyone knows, women sleep with alphas and marry betas.

To answer the question, I don't talk to my friends about it, they will use it against you for whatever reason benefits them. Ego, ego, ego, it makes the world go around after money and sex.

 

[Plutoman]

As everyone knows, women sleep with alphas and marry betas.

Or learn the best components of both, and thus receive both.

 

[Mike32ct]

I have come to the conclusion that either men can like you, or women can like you, but not really both. the things that makes women like a man are thing that men hate to see out of other men. the things that make guys a good guy friend, make most men un alpha like. The only friends a DJ can have are other true to the game DJ's. guys don't want to be around other guys with game, they don't want to bring their GF's around you, they don't want to do **** with you, etc

my life's always been like that, when i am swimming in ***** men are no where to be found. when i have no ***** i have a bunch of guy friends.

Absolutely. Traits that make the 'Gina tingle aren't the same as ones that attract guy friends.

Do a$sholes get laid? Hell yeah. Do I want to be friends with an a$shole? Hell no.

Does being ****y work on women? Yep. Do I want a friend that keeps telling me how great he is? Probably not.

Most guys that know me, like me. Even in high school, despite being the biggest nerd, I as rarely if ever bullied. Hell, I've never even been in a fight.

Most females, on the other hand, look down on me.

I'm liked by 90%+ of guys and maybe 2% of women.

That used to bother me. However, I've come to accept and even like it. Yes, I'm straight lol.

I would rather be liked for my character and how I treat people than for some bad boy profile which I don't fit.

 

[Mike32ct]

No offense to anyone who has the bad boy or ****y or a$shole personality. If it works for ya with the chicks, go for it .

There are some naturals that are universally liked by both sexes. They seem to have the right balance. They are confident enough to be sexy and strong leaders, but not so much where they talk down to people. But this type of guy is more rare.

 

[floydb25]

Absolutely. Traits that make the 'Gina tingle aren't the same as ones that attract guy friends.

Do a$sholes get laid? Hell yeah. Do I want to be friends with an a$shole? Hell no.

Does being ****y work on women? Yep. Do I want a friend that keeps telling me how great he is? Probably not.

Most guys that know me, like me. Even in high school, despite being the biggest nerd, I as rarely if ever bullied. Hell, I've never even been in a fight.

Most females, on the other hand, look down on me.

I'm liked by 90%+ of guys and maybe 2% of women.

That used to bother me. However, I've come to accept and even like it. Yes, I'm straight lol.

I would rather be liked for my character and how I treat people than for some bad boy profile which I don't fit.

Yep x2. Most people who are very good with the opposite sex make horrible friends and relationship candidates - for the exact same reasons. What attracts someone has the opposite effect in keeping them. So, players can get lots of easy women, but not keep any quality ones, or maintain lasting friendships.

Its not an off and on switch - theyre simply being who they are, or have become (as a result of trauma and bad experiences, or whatever). Nobody is pretending to be anything - just as they are charming, deceptive, selfish with their play toys - they are with everyone else. Its who they are. These people also typically have very few friends of the same sex, but tons of the opposite.

This applies to both men and women. Girls with lots of options who fool around have a sea of guy friends, but no female ones - for the same reasons. They may play the victim, or whatever, but its their conceited, shallow, slutty, selfish, stuck up, annoying nature that turns them off. Guys just want to **** them, so they dont care about quality or character. They also like the unpredictability, challenge, selfishness, overt independence, and everything else that doesnt work with friendships.

The exception are those same-sex "friends" who are just like them, and into the same crap. But those arent real friends - just *****s, players, back-stabbers, etc. Fake.

Its really either or, for those into this kind of lifestyle. But just being normal and decent, having relationships... Thats different. You can have both then, easily. Because youre just being the way you are, and attracting like-minded people. Just like players and their bar / party / alcohol / sex scene.

 

[VladPatton]

Lots of valid points of views made!

I'm gonna save the info for myself, as it is always usually better to STFU and let people wallow in their stupidity.

 

[backbreaker]

No offense to anyone who has the bad boy or ****y or a$shole personality. If it works for ya with the chicks, go for it .

There are some naturals that are universally liked by both sexes. They seem to have the right balance. They are confident enough to be sexy and strong leaders, but not so much where they talk down to people. But this type of guy is more rare.

that's the thing when I was in HS i was ever guy's friend. i kept guy friends. I had some success with females but it was basically whoever my 2 more popular friends didn't want but still, i wasn't doing bad by anymeans. i dated cheerleaders, girls from other schools, etc. but that's not what i wanted, i wanted the grade 1 *****es lol. i wanted the girls that everyone was scared to approach beucase they were so hot. and ****, i couldn't even keep the scraps i had.

the best way i can explain it is.. let's say 2 guys and i go out to a bar and I'm single and see some girls and they look over our way and i go chat them up and i get the numbers and by the end of the night I'm all over one of them and we are kissing and we go back to my place and have hot sex all night long and my 2 friends are pretneding to be too "interested" in the game to not make a play at the other girl so the next day when we are talking and we are talking about what we did lats night, they are telling me how they saw a cool movie and i am telling them how i got the best blow job ever lol. then they will say this dude thinks he is such hot **** when in reality, i'm not doing anything more than they are doing.. i'm just telling you what i did.. #getonmylevel bro. like if we are talking about cars.. i drive a nice ****ing car, that i earned.. you talk about your car i talk about mine, but if i talk about my car the same way you talk about your car i'm a showoff. again, #getonmylevel.

I mean, there are people who really are just *******s but alot of what people call ****yness is just that persons insecurity. alot of what you see is not talking down to people it's you being precieved to being talked down to if that makes sense. IF i see a friend of mine just, ****ing up with a woman and i say anything whatsoever about it I'm a jerk or mean. even though I know he's ****ing up. even though everyone on this forum would agree he's ****ing up. which s why i don't particularly care what (most) males think about me because they aren't supposed to like me lol. if we are sitting in a room full of hot *****es WTF are you suppose dto like me for lol? that's like saying two male lions who are ready to **** are supposed to go tot he water hole together before they bot thru to game the lioness who is in heat.


i remember when i first moved to San Diego/Del mar i met some track people lke i am and we were at del mar and after some races we got in a heated debate about dating, because i was going around hitting on everyone in sight and some dude tried to call me out on it, and i was like dude, **** you lol. i don't care if what you think i do is wrong or chauvinistic. and i got blasted by every guy in our group for being arrogant/etc.. and the women defended them. lol only for me to **** the brains out of the main girl arguing wtih me 2 weeks later which considering the girl was at worst a HB7 made the dudes hate me even more once word got out she had a thing for me and we were going at it.

that's how the real world work. she loved the fact that i had a backbone and made no bones about what i wanted. guys hate that about me.

I'm gonna save the info for myself, as it is always usually better to STFU and let people wallow in their stupidity.

for the omst part this is where i'm at now. just shake my head and laugh. help if asked but keep out otherwise.