Do you think a woman's virginity is basically her inability to secure an Alpha?

[MatureDJ]

I was reading Rollo's article about "The Epiphany Phase" and it got me thinking. It seems that a woman staying a virgin - followed inevitably by becoming an old maid - is basically her inability to score an alpha enough man for her pickiness. So a woman that can score such a man will be more than happy to sex him up, whereas a woman who is not so picky - or at least recognizes that these is too picky at an early enough age or family condition (i.e., before she gets rugrats, etc.) - gets the Beta. I suppose that since an Alpha can hump & dump, such a woman would really have to be an unnoticeable wallflower and/or quite unremarkable to not even get the chance at the Alpha.

This also brings up an interesting meme - that of the re-virgin. It's like a woman can simply tell the world that her getting humped & dumped doesn't "count" in some way. What a bunch of BS! :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

 

[Frogster]

I think a preoccupation with "virginity" is a Beta trait. An Alpha wouldn't even consider it. If the plate doesn't want to put out until her wedding day, why waste your time with her.

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear MDJ,
I am sure your explanation holds true in many cases but the Old Virgins up to 57 that I know are thus because they are culturally trapped...The 57 Year old is a devout Catholic,raised in a Church Orphanage...The others have been Chinese...Quite a few actually!

 

[VladPatton]

Never met a sane female virgin in my life, man. All that estrogen build up turns their brains to mashed taters. Definitely run....I'm not even kidding.

 

[Colossus]

Virginity is only as valuable as the beholder.

My views on virgins are well known here, but I don't think you should seek out a virgin at all costs.

Virgins are certainly rare these days, but there are basically only a few reasons a girl would be beyond say 18 or so:

1. Religious conviction
2. Cultural expectations/pressure
3. Unattractiveness (physically or otherwise)
4. Choosiness, which usually goes hand in hand with #1.

I've known guys who married virgins that ended up making bad wives, and I know 2 guys personally right now who married virgins that turned out to be great wives. It's not an attribute that trumps all others, but it's a gem in the right hands.

My GF was a virgin when we got together. If you knew her you would never guess. She's pretty, not weird, very sociable, not off the charts religious or anything. You could say I was the right key for her lock, alpha enough, or whatever. This whole alpha beta thing is a big internet d!ck measuring contest and I think it's a joke. Never once in my life have I known a true alpha-type male to debate this crap, or even entertain the idea of these labels. He's out doing real sh!t with his life, not equating notches with manhood.

 

[smooth_as_silk]

I think a preoccupation with "virginity" is a Beta trait

This is utter stupidity. A true alpha would never consider anyone but a virgin as a wife.
Of course he'll be pumping and dumping the *****es but it would be impossible for him to build any long-term relationship with one of these.

 

[bmp2cpm]

Here's my opinion on virginity from a biological standpoint. It's a bit of a holistic answer, so bear with me....

Everything a man or woman does is basically a sex strategy. Men and women have sex strategies to give them an advantage for propagating their genes. We are all programmed for this, regardless of whether or not we have children or stay single forever. It's all occurring at a low level, almost subconsciously. And of course, these strategies often conflict with those of the opposite sex. A few examples of common things brought about from sex strategies, include emotions, gossiping, and women getting together to talk. Believe it or not, all of those are tools for sex strategies. OK....back to virginity.....

Virginity is a sex strategy for a woman to help get a man. However, in modern times, it's a bit of an obsolete sex strategy, i.e. not much benefit for a woman these days.

Virginity is a sex strategy for women who are not in control of her own fate, i.e. little to no resources and not likely to get anywhere on her own. Also, the woman could be religious, as others have stated. Religion attempts to keep people's sex strategies in check. But probably, resources would trump religion most days, in my opinion. Women are all about resources..... all that flakey behavior, the need to translate their actions..... it's because women on a subconscious level are acting to get the resources they need. Of course they'll never directly admit to it.... another sex strategy, by the way.

This excerpt from the book, Evolution of Desire, pretty much sums virginity up.

"Differences in the economic independence of women, in the benefits provided by husbands, and in the intensity of competition for husbands all drive the critical cultural variation. Where women benefit from marriage and where competition for husbands is fierce, women compete to signal chastity, causing the average amount of premarital sex to go down. Where women control their economic fate, do not require so much of men's investment, and hence need to compete less, women are freer to disregard men's preferences, which causes the average amount of pre- marital sex to go up. Men everywhere might value chastity if they could get it, but in some cultures they simply cannot demand it of their brides."

 

[speed dawg]

This excerpt from the book, Evolution of Desire, pretty much sums virginity up.

"Differences in the economic independence of women, in the benefits provided by husbands, and in the intensity of competition for husbands all drive the critical cultural variation. Where women benefit from marriage and where competition for husbands is fierce, women compete to signal chastity, causing the average amount of premarital sex to go down. Where women control their economic fate, do not require so much of men's investment, and hence need to compete less, women are freer to disregard men's preferences, which causes the average amount of pre- marital sex to go up. Men everywhere might value chastity if they could get it, but in some cultures they simply cannot demand it of their brides."

Very interesting take, as well as the rest of your post. I would agree, except I think you have to add in the 'moral' aspect of it, whether it be due to religion or whatever. As societies engage in immoral behavior ie become more 'free' (in my opinion), people choose immorality more often that not, and the same things you described in that quote occur more frequently.

But remember, all those societies eventually collapse too. So what is the correct path to take? Once the 'immoral' starts rolling, it seems to be very tough to stop, as shown throughout history.

Nowadays in the U.S., having a woman who's been with 5 or less men is pretty much considered a virgin. It's the reality we live in.