Do U think women go to college more because they figure future husband can pay debt?

[MatureDJ]

I was reading an article about how men are falling behind economically, etc., causing women to see them as unmarriageable, etc., etc., and it got me thinking

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/21/b...ground-clues-in-the-family.html?src=twr&_r=2&

“I think the greatest, most astonishing fact that I am aware of in social science right now is that women have been able to hear the labor market screaming out ‘You need more education’ and have been able to respond to that, and men have not,” said Michael Greenstone, an M.I.T. economics professor who was not involved in Professor Autor’s work. “And it’s very, very scary for economists because people should be responding to price signals. And men are not. It’s a fact in need of an explanation.”

OK, here's my explanation: Women don't care think so much of the *cost* of more education, as they tend to be bad at finance, and in any case figure that some beta will end paying for the "family debt". OTOH, men look at the cost and think about whether the cost in time & money would result in a higher wage (NOTE, not just higher income, which could come from simply taking a job with longer hours, but a higher wage), and have been coming to the conclusion that in this economy, it is not worth it.

 

[Mike32ct]

I don't doubt the OP's theory.

I would also add that there is the real or perceived idea that a woman might get a more favorable financial aid package than a man, all else being equal. Even student loan forgiveness programs tend to be geared towards non-profit or public sector jobs which tend to be more popular with women.

But ultimately, I think it's even deeper than that. I think more and more men are becoming discouraged (or lazy in a sense) because it's getting harder to a get a woman, so they figure why bother? I always wonder how many bright talented nerdy men are working mediocre jobs or not getting advanced levels of education because rejection by women hurt their drive and self-confidence.

 

[zekko]

OK, here's my explanation: Women don't care think so much of the *cost* of more education, as they tend to be bad at finance, and in any case figure that some beta will end paying for the "family debt".

I think there's more to it than just that. Men are more conditioned to support women than vice versa. A husband will let her wife take time off of work to go earn a degree. Then when she gets out, she'll earn more money for the family, or there may be a deal in place for her to do the same when she graduates. But a lot of the time, once the girl starts making the better money, she kicks the guy to the curb.

When I was going to school, I heard a lot of women talking amongst themselves, and I was stunned at how many women had this exact plan. They were letting their husbands put them through college, and planned on divorcing them once they graduated and got a good job.

Men, for the most part, don't have this benefit of their wives supporting them through college. It happens, but it's certainly more common the other way around.

 

[Boilermaker]

Paranoia and sexism, seething in SS once again ...

 

[YawataNoKami]

Paranoia and sexism, seething in SS once again ...

Suppress your inner white knight ; boy. After 30 all women are looking for their beta wallet.The wall take no prisoners.

 

[Tenacity]

Paranoia and sexism, seething in SS once again ...

Sometimes I wonder if these guys are here in the States and if so, if they are living under a rock?

When you guys get up here talking about we are just over-reacting, scary little "bytches," how can you say when you have ALL of the following going on every day in this country in significant numbers:

- False Rape (all she has to do is SAY you raped her and you are guilty until proven innocent)

- Fake DMV charges (she calls the cops you are automatically arrested, no matter if there's no visible signs, if the cops show up for a DMV call somebody has to go and it's usually going to be you)

- Fake Sexual Harassment charges (all she has to say is you GRABBED her a.ss in the office and you are fired)

- Child Support laws out of control (excessive, your time with the child is reduced to shyt, she brainwashes the child that you are a loser and the child believes it, etc.)

- Expensive Divorce Proceedings (high cost for lawyers, you can potentially lose HALF of everything upfront and assigned alimony payments for a lifetime until she re-marries)

You guys need to wake up MAN. This isn't some off to the side, minimal, "doesn't happen everyday" shyt we are talking about here.

But forget it, keep sleep walking if you want.

 

[Boilermaker]

Not sure how any of what you wrote is relevant here.

I just don't believe that any significant majority of college-aged women take out loans with this devious plan in mind.

Besides, graduating from college means she'll work and contribute financially, no?

I don't live under a rock, and yes, I live in the states, I have been involved in teaching/participating in university colleges for +10 years, this is something that is just not true, so it's largely paranoia.

Sorry to break the ongoing circle-jerk, carry on, I have largely been driven out of this forum by this obssesive and paranoid cult mentality anyway.

 

[G_Govan]

I just don't believe that any significant majority of college-aged women take out loans with this devious plan in mind.

I don't think anyone believes it's some kind of premeditated, diabolical plan.

Women are opportunists just like men. If the opportunity presents itself they'll most likely take it.

They don't face the same challenges men do in most environments and they also exploit male thirst as a form of insurance.

I believe the vast majority of women aren't truly "independent." Meaning there's usually some kind of "cushion" provided by men, family (parents) or government.

 

[Boilermaker]

I don't think anyone believes it's some kind of premeditated, diabolical plan.

Women are opportunists just like men. If the opportunity presents itself they'll most likely take it.

They don't face the same challenges men do in most environments and they also exploit male thirst as a form of insurance.

I believe the vast majority of women aren't truly "independent." Meaning there's usually some kind of "cushion" provided by men, family (parents) or government.

I got the impression that people like zekko "overheard" that they have "exactly" this plan, and so many of them, too...!
I wouldn't mind a title that complained about "people" being opportunistic, of course they are.
I also agree with your last thought, women are rarely truly independent, it's from the dad's house to the husband's, some,
never get to experience real life at all. My issue is with the interpretation of the facts (and not the facts: That women are opportunists like men, or they are never truly independent) , here, they are usually distorted to support some delusional world-view.

 

[dasein]

I don't think women actively "plan" to lay off debt on a working husband one day. I do think that our whole fed-ed system all the way up through grad school has been reengineered and skewed towards female benefit and against male in zero-sum fashion. After all, women are FAR more likely to vote for statist policies that grow the gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-MSM Complex that supports our ****ty federal public schools and near infinite post-secondary diploma mills. 65% of young women vote LW; 55% of young men vote center-right. Do the math, that skew may not look like much, but it's HUGE. Where does the money come from to run all these "institutions of higher learning?" They know -exactly- how their bread is buttered and whom they need to take care of.

As someone pointed out, this manifests in how women get far healthier financial aid than men, among other ways. I have been a victim of that personally, and by the time you figure it out it's too late to just "drop it," so you just finish the ride. In law school, I had a large social circle of friends from both genders and every ethnicity. I had black female friends from extremely politically powerful, wealthy families who had a total free ride with FAR lower stats than mine, while I got absolutely no financial aid whatsoever despite stellar LSAT scores and a very middle class family. My roommate got a fat financial aid package because he was "ethnic," his dad made 500k- 1 mill a year. Guess whose tuition was double what it should have been so someone who was in fact wealthier could pay -nothing- based solely on their race and gender? Men see this and opt out of gov-edu. Who can blame them?

Lots of female tuition is already "laid off" on men from the get-go, long before anyone gets married.

 

[backbreaker]

I tend to agree with Boilermaker on this but even with that said, I don't think that's 100% accurate


the 800 pound gorilla in the room is that women generally don't pay for their education in general. Doesn't' matter how much it costs.


Every woman I know that has a college degree, their parents paid for it. My best friend's dad, who is a female (my best friend lol) her dad payed about 40k for her education that he had saved and made her pay the difference, about 20k versus 60k in debt. And got to lilve at home working a job paying 50k a year while taking 5 years to pay that 20k off. The girl that brought me to this forum, her parents, even I lol, paid for her school. she never paid a dime. My wife didn't pay a penny to get a college degree.


Just about every guy I know who has a college degree, eitehr got a scholarship or had to pay for it themselves. Part of the reason that i did not go to college is my parents didnt' have one 1 dollar devoted for me to go to school. My little brother had to take out loans all through college. My sister's older brother was alot like me, kicked out the house at 18 and told to grow up lol. My best friend's older brother who is my age is still paying on his graphic design degree.


on the other hand, my 15 year old sister, between myself and my mom won't have to pay anything to go to school.


In society, there is even with feminism, an innate need for men to "grow up quick' and a need for women to be sheltered and taken care of.


The bottom line is that school is more expensive.. for men.. becuase they generally end up footing the bill. And of the women that do pay for their own schooling, most an roll that into marriage debt. But the vast majority of them from my experience, aren't given that burden to begin with.


Most fathers, parents, help their daughters buy their first house, their first car, pay for the weddings. Women, generally have much better credit then men from my experience. my wife's credit score was a good 150 points higher than mine when we met. It's still 100 points better. It's not because she's better with money it's because she has no ****ing debt lol.



My best friend, is about to buy her first house in the next 2 weeks. She's 28 years old, the only time she hasn't lived at home is when she was in a dorm in college. All that time she spent building her credit, paying off her car note, she has spotless credit. her fiancee on the other hand, has to be left off the mortgage becuase he has too much debt. I had a good long talk with her when she got pissy / threw a tantum that her fiancee was making the whole house buying process harder for her....


in combination with, if the end goal is to get women, going to college at this point, does not much to help you achieve that much. women don't value your money, make their own, and all that hard work takes away from time courting women, makes you less fun and women are more often than not to date guys who are more in the here and now...


what you are basically seeing now is "***** distribution inequality". Rotfl, there is no middle class ***** anymore lol. Women are giving it up to good looking guys with no future who said **** school and play all the time or the guys who are really really successful. **** the guy who went to school, making 60k a year and still paying off student loans when he's 35. So what's the point? Why go through all that with all the debt to get a job i don't like to try to attract women who won't be attracted to me for trying lol? in the new ***** distribution inequality world, you're literally better off being an auto mechanic than being an accountant. My friend's fiancee literally flips pizzas for a living. She doesn't want a guy who makes what she makes or can provide her a middle class lifestyle she can do that herself. she wants a man to basically be there when she gets off work, massage her feet lol and help her make babies, and not cheat on her.


so what you have is women, becoming men. My wife has a double major and i could give 2 ****s. Her money making ability was the last thing i was concerned about when i put a ring on her finger becuase i got that covered. That's how a lot of women think now, and the men who are out carving out middle class lifestyles who are depending on that only to bring home the bacon are being left behind


I would also state this is entrepreneurship in america is down
http://www.gallup.com/businessjournal/180431/american-entrepreneurship-dead-alive.aspx



so what really is the end game for guys accumulating all this debt, to make more money, that will not bring you what you desire in the end?

 

[Boilermaker]

^^^
spot on analysis ... I couldn't agree more.

(incidentally, just found it curious that your best friend is a chick)

 

[MAYALL]

I'm sure some women would look for some dude to pay off their debt. Women that I went to school with had their parents pay for it. Some are still paying off the debt after they got married.

After 30 all women are looking for their beta wallet.The wall take no prisoners.

So women over 30 are going to drop their thriving business or good paying jobs to live off a beta? :crackup:

Sometimes I wonder if these guys are here in the States and if so, if they are living under a rock?

When you guys get up here talking about we are just over-reacting, scary little "bytches," how can you say when you have ALL of the following going on every day in this country in significant numbers:

- False Rape (all she has to do is SAY you raped her and you are guilty until proven innocent)

- Fake DMV charges (she calls the cops you are automatically arrested, no matter if there's no visible signs, if the cops show up for a DMV call somebody has to go and it's usually going to be you)

- Fake Sexual Harassment charges (all she has to say is you GRABBED her a.ss in the office and you are fired)

- Child Support laws out of control (excessive, your time with the child is reduced to shyt, she brainwashes the child that you are a loser and the child believes it, etc.)

- Expensive Divorce Proceedings (high cost for lawyers, you can potentially lose HALF of everything upfront and assigned alimony payments for a lifetime until she re-marries)

You guys need to wake up MAN. This isn't some off to the side, minimal, "doesn't happen everyday" shyt we are talking about here.

But forget it, keep sleep walking if you want.

What a weak beta fear based self defeatist mindset you have. Do you hide under a rock terrified of women of the world? That's certainly what it looks like from this post. I've been reading a lot of posts from guys who fear women like you. Giving women power and status they shouldn't have, reducing yourself to a powerless beta. You're making women superior to you and that's bullsh1t. I've never seen men talking about being scared of women like this. It's really pathetic to be reading all of this.

 

[Boilermaker]

^

Repped,

Glad to see younger generation seeing right through this crap.

 

[sodbuster]

It''s simple.... men will do the bare minimum it takes to get laid. Instead of working your ass off in school and on the job? All you need to do is spend some time in the gym. That get's you laid now days. No marriage/family or long term plans needed

 

[sodbuster]

double

 

[backbreaker]

^^^
spot on analysis ... I couldn't agree more.

(incidentally, just found it curious that your best friend is a chick)

it works lol. once you get past the do i like you / does she like me part, it's pretty much the same thing. pretty cool but we could never date

 

[logicallefty]

Field report on this issue: my bigamist wh0e ex had just signed up to go to college online right before we met. At the time she had a decent job making about $30 an hour. After we dated for about 5 months just days after I asked her to move in with me she quit her job. So you tell me who she was planning on having pay that debt? I think the OP's post is completely valid. Lucky for me our marriage was annulled so I didn't have to pay jack sh!t..