do average chicks still like ****y/funny guys?

[Thraxeh]

i've been reading this forum for awhile now and i've learnt alot.

theres this chick at school who i have been keeping an eye on, and she isnt one of those super hot chicks, shes just average which for me is fine, i just need to talk to her first and see what shes like personality wise.

what i'm worried about is that should i be ****y and funny even though she might be the chick that wants a nice guy, i can be both, but i rather not **** it up and be ****y and then find out that she thinks i'm some ****head.

so basicly the question is, are the hot girls the ones who like the ****y/funny atitude or is it all the girls ?

 

[crunchtime]

Figure out who you are first. You're gonna change your attitude cuz of an average girl??? If C/F is your style then that is you, don't change it for a girl.

Most girls aren't into the nice guy thing. They're all attracted to guys for certain reasons, so c/f should work on her just as any other girl...

 

[PeeGee]

David D says to never turn off CF and become a wuss. At the same time you don't want to be doing CF at lvl 10 24/7...it's way too much for some girls to handle. I don't know where I read it (his emails, probably), but a guy did a FR where he managed to get a girl so flustered she started to cry. He then had to turn CF off completely for a few minutes until she calmed down.

So to bring this back on topic, if you think your level of CF is too much for a girl, then tone it down a bit. If you find that it's not working as well, bring it back up. It's all about balance. David uses a stretched elastic band as a metaphor.

 

[JSH]

Crunchtime, he considers her average in looks as others would see her. Maybe he should not change himself to pick up chicks, but if himself is a purely pragmatic being, then he should change his game to pick up a girl.

In my personal experiance, the only trouble with using things like c + f on more average girls is that sometimes you can come off a dic-k. This is because they are not used to much attention from boys, some, but more because they are girls and are there. Do not let it look like you are hitting on her out of desperation but make it clear that you like her (as otherwise she might be thinking you are taking her for a ride, and will have c0ckbl0ck on stun)

PeeGee do not rely on how some monkey tells you to live your life, live it on your own and develop personal guidelines to help yourselves. By all means use those of others as rough correlations to how you should be acting but dont turn your entire life into a GAME purely in which you are a player whose role it is to centre your life around women (unless its what you want - but for most people it seems pretty worthless). Have your life and enjoy it - you only have one shot, so have as much fun as is possible. In my experiance, i can succeed but i no longer enjoy myself if i use 'scientific' methods to pick up girls, ie lvls of attraction, pinholing and generalisations.


A lack of C + F does not make you a wuss, i know people that are nnot scared of anything but do not have to be arrogant (basically what ****y is - but mitigated by the funny) to prove that they are strong. In fact the ****y people are often the weakest.

In response to the main question of the original poster, its neither - everyone is an individual and requires individual tactics (as such), you can not say all super hot chicks like C + F or all girls, because it is the exception that proves the rule.

Anyway good luck and play it by your gut feeling.

 

[Thraxeh]

JSH thx for that reply, you understood what i meant by her being average and probly not being use to guys hitting on her.

PeeGee i'm more of the nice guy, who can be ****y/funny, then the ****y/funny guy who can be nice.

 

[Jerky Boi]

Don't change whatever you do for just 1 girl. Some guys just aren't into the whole C & F thing. I use it sparingly but it really does work with the right girls. You'll know if it's right to use it with her. From what I've seen, most girls with a good sense of humor like it.

 

[JSH]

Jerky, i would say that becasue everyone is an individual and it is so fluid, you should change it with every girl. Im a bespoke sorta man.

 

[WaRpEd]

Hey, c/f has always worked for me when i go after the average chicks...you just need to tone it down abit.

(Something to remember, sometimes when going after the really hot chicks you wanna knock em' off their pedestal...well average chick's don't have as good pedestals. (although using the same techinques isn't bad, just remember, it usualy helps if they know your joking))

 

[UltimateScoundrel]

C&F will never get you called an ******* if you do it right. The problem is, somewhere down the line, somebody decided to call this wonderful combination of the two personality attributes women like best (Confidence and Humor) ****Y and funny.

Apperantly this guy didn't realise that ****Y is defined as being arrogant to the point of agitating those around you.

In reality C&F has nothing to do with knocking women off pedestals, or neg-hits, or being an *******. It's just being a funny guy, who knows he can accomplish whatever he sets out to do, and doesn't have to worry about what others think because he knows that old people think he's a fine young man, other guys think he's a great guy, and women think he's attractive.

 

[Thraxeh]

i havent spoken to her yet, i dont even think she knows my name which is a problem, not because i cant introduce myself.

if she does know my name, and i introduce myself then i'll look wierd, and if she doesnt know my name and i dont introduce myself i will look weird.

but anyways, i think i can get around this small problem.

 

[JSH]

Go for one or the other, dont fluff around in the middle and dont give in to the temptations of procrastination. What you should do is to either go up and playfully introduce yourself so that either way is good. (ie she feels you are being humourous if she knows your name or is relieved if she doesnt).

Or you come up and assume that she knows your name and you will pull it off (eventually she will ask you, if she doesnt mention your name once, you can start teasing her mid conversation - how can you not know who i am, oh i do, then whats my name and my shoe size etc [pretty lame but u get the idea]). If you assume she knows your name you need to be pretty confident with the right mindset, so probably introducing your name is better. Although in my school, pretty much everyone knows each other, about 130 ppl in a year.

 

[Thraxeh]

hmm, i havent spoken to her yet, i can never find her. JSH u seem to be pretty experienced, do u know any ways were i can start talking to her without introducing myself, like say i see her walking to a lesson, how would i aproach ?

"hey hannah, what did u get in that chem test last friday ?" - how would i further on the convo with something like that ?

 

[JSH]

Well thats what the approach is all about, that is what a huge chunk of the Bible concentrates on, the approach. But ill give a simplified version and some good links. Thats a good point, i think we need some posts on approaching in a high school situation, where you vaguely know everyone (ill get around to doin one at some stage but it would be nice if someone else would too).

If i could condense all the knowledge about pick ups (basically 3/4 of the Dj bible and more) and clearly express it then id be on a money winner as it tends to be the hardest thing.

This is good general pick ups and it does not matter that you are in a different situation, its the general attitude that matters. pick ups

Something that i saw recently and have only used a couple of times is from fastseduction? and is the 3 second rule, whereby you approach a girl within 3 seconds of seeing her and having time to go see her. With the advantages of no sweaty hands, nervousness and without it looking like you need to pick up the courage to go and speak to her.

The section of the Bible of conversation is pretty much comprehensive, so i dont really want to repeat too much. But the most important point is to lead the conversation and you end it (after getting what you want, answer/number).

I found nouning a pretty good technique, ie choose the nouns she says in "oh me and Hannah have got to go to chemistry with Mr Smith next and then we are getting a lift back from Jeff", you have Hannah, Chemistry, Mr Smith, Jeff to pursue as easy topics, but if she is cautious on pursuing one, change it. Me is also a good topic to pick up on, follow up about herself, but it is also extremly touchy ground.

What do you want out of the conversation, because its better to choose topics that lead up to it, so its suave (smooth really), rather than like you have just been making fluff talk you dont care about while trying to ask her the real question.