Discussion: The ESSENTIALS of Male Attractiveness

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We men tend to think that we can be universally attractive to women just as women can be to us. This is a fallacy. An attractive woman is almost universally attractive to EVERY man. All she needs to do is cover her real looks with makeup, wear nice clothes and ... well, that's about it. In today's market she certainly doesn't need character.

Not so with men. We can only be attractive to a certain subset of women, depending on personal preference and personality. Even Brad Pitt is not attractive to many women.

But I've been thinking that there are certain essentials that men must, absolutely MUST posses in order to be attractive to many women. I propose that we discuss the essentials, the qualities that are absolutely mandatory.

For starters, if a man wants to be attractive he must be working out. This is a non-elective, gentlemen. Working out not only improves your physique in the obvious sense but it also affects how you carry yourself and what you project to the world. If you are pudgy, you might as well stop dreaming about all those pretty girls walking by because they won't give you a second glance. You absolutely cannot be attractive to large numbers of decent looking women if you're not in shape.

As with any rule there are a few exceptions (such as the pudgy man whose outgoing personality overcomes his lazy-looking body) but these exceptions are rare and statistically insignificant.

Working out and staying in shape also gives you the belief that you are attractive, which is all-important. Not one of you who is out of shape thinks he is attractive deep down inside. It's impossible unless you're totally delusional. You don't need to be super-muscular; not by any means. However you must be reasonably in shape via a combination of weight lifting and aerobic exercise.

One of the biggest problems of men is that they're puzzled why attractive women won't give them the time of day, when their bodies are simply lumps of asexual flesh. Lazy men are continually looking to attract women who take the time and effort to look good and who are light years out of their league.

I repeat - Getting into good shape is MANDATORY. Being in shape cries out to the world, "I am a man who respects himself and is therefore to be respected by others".

I could go on and on about other qualities that are absolute essentials, but I'll let you guys have a go at it.

What are the outer qualities that a man MUST possess in order to be considered initially attractive to women? Not preferences, not sophisticated, nuanced qualities, but the basic absolutes that must be in play.
 

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I would say a strong personality that allows him to live in his life in his own frame, by strong personality I mean a boat which sails in a certain direction regardless of the winds and change direction only when believes is the best interest not out of constrictions.

This on a macroscopic levels makes it happen on a smaller scale too, a man which buys the frame of a woman during an interaction lose attractiveness in her eyes.

Example:
He approaches a woman with his mind frame that he will be direct and straight and get her, after the contact she will push the default frame that she is the prize and he should worship her.

Now a man with a strong personality will disregard her frame and keep behaving as if she is doing no favor to him and the interaction is of mutual benefit.

This applies also in interactions between men.

The problem when you talk about personality is that people believes you're talking about friendliness or tolerance which are different features, often tolerant patient man are said to have a "good personality", thats not the case.
 

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The fact that women can now make as much money as a man, but wants a man to make more than her.

This means I have to compete with women for money which will help me get status and power, which attracts women.

Unless you can strip women of their sexual power, its unfair for them to have the rights of men, and the benefits of women.
 

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The ability to approach and supplicate in one way, while simultaneously placing himself above her in one or more other ways she will respond to is a must have for men IMO, and very tricky to learn and execute.
 

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Be in good shape: All ages. Be in the best shape possible.

Sylish clothes that fit: All ages (age appropriate, if I dressed like a college kid it would be a turn off)

Don't be drunk or stoned: All ages. Two drink maximum on dates or any place you plan on hitting up women. I don't smoke pot but if you do know that you can smell that stuff on you for hours, and unless you are hitting up other stoned chicks, that really messes up your game.

Be clean, smell good: All ages. The older you are the more expensive you cologne needs to be... trust me, women know when you are wearing cheap cologne. Younger guys can get away with wearing Axe body spray.

Be well groomed: Fingernails trimmed and clean, good haircut (age appropriate), nose hairs GONE. Facial hair trimmed.

Don't be too emotional one way or the other, you should NEVER display exteme emotions, be happy not estatic, be annoyed not angry, be flirty not lustful.

Be aware of your body language and what messages you are sending out. No man is really good enough to completely hide your body language.. but you really need to TRY and put out the vibe that you want to fvck the women that is standing in front of you and at the same time give her the impression that you are not quite sure about it... I know it's tough, but if you do this right, and the woman believes you have the LMS she's looking for, and you have decent game, you will be fvcking her that night.

Be charming and funny...
 

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Money. The biggest attraction of them all.
 

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Have you ever observed a typical guy trying to hit on a girl? I'm usually thinking, wow, what an insecure, needy, whiny little douche bag pvssy of a man. No wonder he's single.

Don't be that guy. Make her wonder "why is he single?" Most guys do the opposite very quickly.
 

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Kezia Noble, a PUA guru, says that the main attribute a women wants in a male is STRENGTH, and that has resonated with me ever since I first read it. It makes sense, because that allows us to be the port in their emotional storm (emotional strength), we can be their Protector (physical strength), etc. The last thing a woman wants is a weak man. Women are repelled by weakness, and all signs of it.

Atom Smasher said:
For starters, if a man wants to be attractive he must be working out.
I prefer the other way you and others have put it: You have to be in shape. There are a lot of guys who are in shape but aren't on some sort of fitness program. Young guys who work on farms, for instance, or some other physical job. Some guys just naturally have a good masculine build, especially if they're younger. My body had NO inclination to put on fat until well into my 30s. Some people live very active lifestyles and don't really need to spend time in a gym to be in shape.

VikingKing said:
Unless you can strip women of their sexual power, its unfair for them to have the rights of men, and the benefits of women.
This is the crux of a lot of issues around here. An attractive woman has the advantage in the SMV game. Feminism seems to seek to give women all of the MALE advantages in addition to whatever inherent advantages they already have. If that happens, it leaves us with what, exactly?

Bible Belt said:
Have you ever observed a typical guy trying to hit on a girl? I'm usually thinking, wow, what an insecure, needy, whiny little douche bag pvssy of a man. No wonder he's single.
Yet, men must be the aggressors, we have to approach.
 

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dasein said:
The ability to approach and supplicate in one way, while simultaneously placing himself above her in one or more other ways she will respond to is a must have for men IMO, and very tricky to learn and execute.
Bible_Belt said:
Have you ever observed a typical guy trying to hit on a girl? I'm usually thinking, wow, what an insecure, needy, whiny little douche bag pvssy of a man. No wonder he's single.

Don't be that guy. Make her wonder "why is he single?" Most guys do the opposite very quickly.
zekko said:
Yet, men must be the aggressors, we have to approach.

A guy can hit on a girl BUT, he must not show he is inferior by doing so. He has to come from a stance that he is qualifying her.
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How men and women become competitive in the dating world,

Men
1. Work out routinely and be in good shape
2. Have a good job
3. Have money to throw around
4. Own a nice car
5. Live independently
6. Have genetically favorable hair
7. Have confidence, with ability to approach and initiate
8. Dress well
9. Be able to take charge and lead

Women
1. Put on makeup
2. Don't eat too much food and become morbidly obese

In terms of dating women play on "easy", men play on "nightmare". With that said, I'm still sure as hell glad I'm a man :yes:
 

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I think it depends on the age group of the women. Younger
women don't care about money, they care about looks,
Height, hair and body.

Older women if you don't have money, they won't give you the time of day.

I don't think working out is that big of deal, I had a six pack in late
20s when I was obsessed with working out, girls didn't really
care.
 

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Trump said:
I think it depends on the age group of the women. Younger
women don't care about money, they care about looks,
Height, hair and body.

Older women if you don't have money, they won't give you the time of day.

I don't think working out is that big of deal, I had a six pack in late
20s when I was obsessed with working out, girls didn't really
care.
Working out is a big deal if you're an ectomorph like me. I was getting no attention as a scrawny fvcker even though I was the most athletic dude in the whole fencing squad. Only after bulking up in size did I find myself turning more heads.
 

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Posture, good eye contact, grooming/hygiene, kino, speaking clearly, in physical shape, and MAYBE being tan.
 

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I don't think being mysterious has made it to this list yet. Never give your full self way as far as letting her know what there is to know about you. Give her tiny bits and pieces but always hold something back. Keep her craving more of what she doesn't know.
 

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Anyone have any good work outs for abs and arms and legs I can do at home?

Sucks I have a pinched nerve in both elbows (ulnar nerve entrapment)
 

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Trump said:
I don't think working out is that big of deal, I had a six pack in late
20s when I was obsessed with working out, girls didn't really
care.
Having sculpted muscles is nice but yes not as important to women as just being at a fit weight (incuding not being too skinny). If you're a skinny ectomorphy guy you kind of need to go the gym to accomplish this though as your body is lacking muscle to begin with. I suspect most guys can get a "fit" look just by eating right and nothing else. But working out can be quite therapeutic, and of course it's an added bonus to your looks.
 

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It's a no brainer that being in good shape is going to attract women :up:

However, there is a guy in my village who drinks, smokes, does drugs, sells drugs & he gets a lot of attractive women. Women think he's FUN to be around......so yes I think it's a great + to be in good shape & it will help you a lot, but I don't think it's essential.

In my opinion there are lots of things I would put above being in shape including confidence, game, being a fun person to be around, being good in bed
 

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Rainman4707 said:
It's a no brainer that being in good shape is going to attract women :up:

However, there is a guy in my village who drinks, smokes, does drugs, sells drugs & he gets a lot of attractive women. Women think he's FUN to be around......so yes I think it's a great + to be in good shape & it will help you a lot, but I don't think it's essential.

In my opinion there are lots of things I would put above being in shape including confidence, game, being a fun person to be around, being good in bed
You've come a long way Rainman. :up:
 

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Ironically the guy I mentioned proposed we train together couple of years back, as he wanted to get rid of some fat & muscle up a little. So he's aware :)

Seen him last week & he still looks the same.
 
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