Difference bw theory and practice

[SpartanWarrior77]

Hey gents,

Nassim Taleb makes excellent points in his book about the difference between theory and practice. Any Taleb fans here?

One thing I noticed is that almost none of the theory, even from the top theorists applies in day to day practice.

Hard statement but bare with me...

In real life, interactions are a lot trickier, messier and thornier. For example, in real life, if you let the girl win the small battles on the forefront, it gives you greater dominance over the larger scale war.

Red pill theorist: "Never tell a girl your problems." or "never allow her to sleep over" or "never say I love you first"

By the way, I agree with these above statements but the way these things manifest is very different.

In actual game, there are many moments where it would be advantageous to appear "beta" only to flip the dynamic later. Also, for instance, you might placate a girl with kind words and white lies for a while, maybe a few weeks even only to totally flip it on her later when you have her in the right emotional posture. Especially in situations where you know arguing won't make you win or convincing someone logically.

Basically nothing is logical in the real world. NOthing is smooth like the theory is.

Also, in real life, it's best to avoid being too overt about anything. It's almost good to play dumb. My problem seems to be that I try to make women acknowledge my superiority but it may be advantageous to make them slowly discover it over time. Long game Vs short game.

Any thoughts on this?

 

[kavi]

A top level Alpha Male doesnt 'switch it up' or change. You have to be consistent. If you swittch it up, the girl is gonna feel like you trickerd her, she is gonna play back at you the same way. You dont want a woman who is too unstable. You need to be stable so she can be stable. The problem with women comes from insecurity, narcissim, ego and instability, if she feels she is being tricked or you are playing her, it is gonna increase that, and its just not worth dealing with unstable women.

 

[pipeman84]

Nassim Taleb makes excellent points in his book about the difference between theory and practice. Any Taleb fans here?

Yeah, but he lost me when Covid hit and his ego and blind spots got exposed ... it's the same with his stance on nutrition ... he can't admit he's a fat dude and continues to argue and block on Twitter people who are fitter and leaner than him.

In actual game, there are many moments where it would be advantageous to appear "beta" only to flip the dynamic later. Also, for instance, you might placate a girl with kind words and white lies for a while, maybe a few weeks even only to totally flip it on her later when you have her in the right emotional posture. Especially in situations where you know arguing won't make you win or convincing someone logically.

Don't agree, a real man has to be true to his character and congruent in behavior.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Abundance and Self-Driven Mindset >>> Any RP theory

 

[zekko]

In actual game, there are many moments where it would be advantageous to appear "beta" only to flip the dynamic later. Also, for instance, you might placate a girl with kind words and white lies for a while, maybe a few weeks even only to totally flip it on her later when you have her in the right emotional posture.

I think you're right about this. They used to always talk about the "takeaways" in pickup theory. But you have to have something to "take away". There's no take without the give. You can't use "cat string theory" if you never throw the string toward the cat.

 

[CornbreadFed]

That is the RP dude. Lol reading comprehension is a thing.

No, it is absolutely not. The RP is women are all evil boogeyman with a sprinkle of go to the gym or acquire money.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Hey gents,

Nassim Taleb makes excellent points in his book about the difference between theory and practice. Any Taleb fans here?

One thing I noticed is that almost none of the theory, even from the top theorists applies in day to day practice.

Hard statement but bare with me...

In real life, interactions are a lot trickier, messier and thornier. For example, in real life, if you let the girl win the small battles on the forefront, it gives you greater dominance over the larger scale war.

Red pill theorist: "Never tell a girl your problems." or "never allow her to sleep over" or "never say I love you first"

By the way, I agree with these above statements but the way these things manifest is very different.

In actual game, there are many moments where it would be advantageous to appear "beta" only to flip the dynamic later. Also, for instance, you might placate a girl with kind words and white lies for a while, maybe a few weeks even only to totally flip it on her later when you have her in the right emotional posture. Especially in situations where you know arguing won't make you win or convincing someone logically.

Basically nothing is logical in the real world. NOthing is smooth like the theory is.

Also, in real life, it's best to avoid being too overt about anything. It's almost good to play dumb. My problem seems to be that I try to make women acknowledge my superiority but it may be advantageous to make them slowly discover it over time. Long game Vs short game.

Any thoughts on this?

‘Never let a girl sleep over’.
I LOVE girls sleeping over.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

No, it is absolutely not. The RP is women are all evil boogeyman with a sprinkle of go to the gym or acquire money.

Women are not ‘evil’. They are wonderful. Not being sarcastic. They make life worth living.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I suggest you seriously change who you are listening too. Your 100% wrong.

Your own mental point of origin is in RM book 1 from 2015ish

I can't take the RM seriously when the creator cannot even tell me what a High Value Male is.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I’ve written here many times about not showing any real weakness to a women you’re in a relationship with.

In the same post I said you can aggrandize a small setback you already have resolved into a big deal like once a year so that you have to “seek her counsel”, you also should at least once a year either aggrandize and emotional situation that she can “provide you support” on.

You should do this in both cases so that she can brag to her family and specifically girlfriends that you’re “so in touch with your feelings and shortcomings” and that you seek her counsel. Women eat this shyte up like nothing else ever.

Remember you DO NOT GET TO BRING REAL ISSUES TO HER EVER, unless you’ve got them resolved already.

If you show a woman weakness more than say twice a year on different fronts you are toast - she will wonder why you’re such a weakling and once that bowl starts rolling…

It’s a sad state of affairs that one cannot ever truly rest on his laurels. As we said in the military “you can rest when you’re dead”.

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

A top level Alpha Male doesnt 'switch it up' or change. You have to be consistent. If you swittch it up, the girl is gonna feel like you trickerd her, she is gonna play back at you the same way. You dont want a woman who is too unstable. You need to be stable so she can be stable. The problem with women comes from insecurity, narcissim, ego and instability, if she feels she is being tricked or you are playing her, it is gonna increase that, and its just not worth dealing with unstable women.

Yeah I agree with you. If she feels like she is being tricked, you can be in trouble. That's not really my point though. My point is that real game is much much much rougher and harder to actually pick up on than anything a theory can explain.

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

Yeah, but he lost me when Covid hit and his ego and blind spots got exposed ... it's the same with his stance on nutrition ... he can't admit he's a fat dude and continues to argue and block on Twitter people who are fitter and leaner than him.


Don't agree, a real man has to be true to his character and congruent in behavior.

My intention is not to argue about Taleb too much here as I'm not too smart but just a quick note: Mr. Olympias are incredibly fit but don't live much past 70, same with navy SEALs and other aesthetically on point individuals. The concept of fitness has arguably been highjacked by the bodybuilding scene which is great (to a point) but if your goal is longetivity and brain health, there is no evidence that you have to be lean especially when you're old and having a bit of extra weight acts as a safety cushion incase u lose lots of weight due to illness, etc.

Also the COVID thing, I dont about you but I dont know squat about epidemics, let alone precautions for global scale ones. Everyone on the right seems to have suddenly become an epidemiologist or something cuz they're all so CERTAIN about what governments should and shouldn't do. I have no dog in this fight by the way. I'm just admitting that I'm a construction guy that likes chasing tang and reading books. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.

But I digress to your last point: Your last statement is very blanket. I don't disagree. However, I'm just saying that the push/pull and psychological dynamics of game on a tactical day-to-day level are insanely different and not very smooth compared to any theory. It's almost unrecognizable. It almost cant even be put into words.

I firmly believe that advanced game is impossible to write about, at least in any digestible format currently spouted on most dating coach channels. By definition, if the message can quickly be transmitted, it's patently false. Actual game has a million micro points that are very difficult to explain.

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

Anyone in here that has studied music theory jives with what your saying.

An A major scale is just a suggestion on paper but can be used to your own discretion.
Its like Rollo calling the RP a tool box. Its the same thing.
RP is the key of the song. The backdrop. The individual notes are the game you play

Great analogy.

The complexity of music can't be captured by theory. A true master knows when to break the rules.

If one is too caught up in theory (like myself) it literally blinds him to the optionality available in any given interaction. Instead of experimenting, one will be too focused on the theory to even try something else. If it doesn't fit with the theory, they will discount it as useless information. Frameworks make us "option blind" (options being experimental actions).

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

I think you're right about this. They used to always talk about the "takeaways" in pickup theory. But you have to have something to "take away". There's no take without the give. You can't use "cat string theory" if you never throw the string toward the cat.

The complexity of sexual dynamics are difficult to react too if we have too many theories in our heads. It makes us slower bc instead of flowing and using deeper intelligence, we are too busy analyzing the dynamic comparing it to the theory in our heads. I am amazing at game when I'm high and drunk for instance or on molly (not that I do this often) but it's when I'm in that state that I seem to be able to unleash an uninhibited intelligence that works much better and faster than anything I can put into words. When I'm too read up on theory, it makes me slow and honestly, it kind of darkens my worldview a bit too much making me a bit less joyful and spontaneous.

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

‘Never let a girl sleep over’.
I LOVE girls sleeping over.

Exactly, I've gotten away with this many times too. Doe it set the wrong precedent? Possibly but again, in real life, this depends on many factors...

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

I’ve written here many times about not showing any real weakness to a women you’re in a relationship with.

In the same post I said you can aggrandize a small setback you already have resolved into a big deal like once a year so that you have to “seek her counsel”, you also should at least once a year either aggrandize and emotional situation that she can “provide you support” on.

You should do this in both cases so that she can brag to her family and specifically girlfriends that you’re “so in touch with your feelings and shortcomings” and that you seek her counsel. Women eat this shyte up like nothing else ever.

Remember you DO NOT GET TO BRING REAL ISSUES TO HER EVER, unless you’ve got them resolved already.

If you show a woman weakness more than say twice a year on different fronts you are toast - she will wonder why you’re such a weakling and once that bowl starts rolling…

It’s a sad state of affairs that one cannot ever truly rest on his laurels. As we said in the military “you can rest when you’re dead”.

I respect that because words coming from a practitioner weigh more than from a theorist.

However, this idea is hard to apply in my experience. For instance, if you live in the suburbs of an American town and you have like 3 friends which is most of us here, let's say you live with GF, who else are u coming to with your problems? Not saying to treat her like a therapist but to actually NEVER convey information about what you're going through? How?? I agree with the sentiment regarding not framing yourself as a weakling to her but to assign a numerical value to how often you should or shouldn't be doing so can get some of us in trouble.

In wrestling coaching, there is this idea of the ecological approach which (from what I understand) has to do with giving one or two basic instructions on what to do and then allowing the said students to practice coming to a conclusion their own way. If you're too specific about what you drill, it can work WONDERS on one guy but totally mess up another.

Same with game, practitioners should never be too caught up in the details. This is why I say that you might look "beta". For instance, one specific dynamic I keep thinking of is the idea of toning down your alpha behavior at times and just being neutral and flowing more. If you're too rough and head on about your ways of doing things, she might roll with it for a while but eventually she'll punish you for it. Somtimes it's better to placate and allow her to feel she's won, and then when she's not on guard, you switch things up. It's the equivalent of timing a deal properly. IDK, food for thought...

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Well, in my world real problems in business are relegated to trusted others in business for advice. Emotional stuff, lean on your brothers for help, and make sure they are rock solid, ride or die, will bail you out at 2am on Wednesday night, no questions asked male friends that would not bed your women if a gun was pointed to their head friends.

I respect that because words coming from a practitioner weigh more than from a theorist.

However, this idea is hard to apply in my experience. For instance, if you live in the suburbs of an American town and you have like 3 friends which is most of us here, let's say you live with GF, who else are u coming to with your problems? Not saying to treat her like a therapist but to actually NEVER convey information about what you're going through? How?? I agree with the sentiment regarding not framing yourself as a weakling to her but to assign a numerical value to how often you should or shouldn't be doing so can get some of us in trouble.

In wrestling coaching, there is this idea of the ecological approach which (from what I understand) has to do with giving one or two basic instructions on what to do and then allowing the said students to practice coming to a conclusion their own way. If you're too specific about what you drill, it can work WONDERS on one guy but totally mess up another.

Same with game, practitioners should never be too caught up in the details. This is why I say that you might look "beta". For instance, one specific dynamic I keep thinking of is the idea of toning down your alpha behavior at times and just being neutral and flowing more. If you're too rough and head on about your ways of doing things, she might roll with it for a while but eventually she'll punish you for it. Somtimes it's better to placate and allow her to feel she's won, and then when she's not on guard, you switch things up. It's the equivalent of timing a deal properly. IDK, food for thought...

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

Well, in my world real problems in business are relegated to trusted others in business for advice. Emotional stuff, lean on your brothers for help, and make sure they are rock solid, ride or die, will bail you out at 2am on Wednesday night, no questions asked male friends that would not bed your women if a gun was pointed to their head friends.

I think that's a good general mentality for sure. However, in my experience sharing issues with my GF was not a big deal. I'm known for being a somewhat emotional type but not in a fhag way, just sort of a spontaneous and cooky kind of way. For me, being emotional and expressive, and dramatic is part of my personality. But the way I express it doesn't seem to negatively impact my relationships with women, if anything it creates a fun and intense rapport.

However, if I'm struggling with something and need accountability, I don't really lean on my girl for support as much as I would on my boys. They're the ones I go to, can have a drink and unload some heavy **** on. I mostly keep it light with women because yeah, my aim is to lead her, be strong for her, dominate her in a sexy way.

 

[Hippocrates]

I think that the capital letter Red Pill community might have a lot of good insights but I'm also suspicious of them because so many of them seem to be so rigid and political. I remember that the old-school early 2000s PUA community that I learned so much from, and that helped me go from a virgin to getting laid, wasn't so rigid and was almost not political at all. The focus was pragmatic, just do what works, go out and learn from your experiences, share your knowledge. And there wasn't that sort of hatred and derision of women that is common in the capital letter Red Pill community. Back in the early 2000s PUA community it was more like, guys thought that women were often annoying but they didn't make some complicated theories about it or dwell on it much, the focus was on just figuring out how to get laid.

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

I think that the capital letter Red Pill community might have a lot of good insights but I'm also suspicious of them because so many of them seem to be so rigid and political. I remember that the old-school early 2000s PUA community that I learned so much from, and that helped me go from a virgin to getting laid, wasn't so rigid and was almost not political at all. The focus was pragmatic, just do what works, go out and learn from your experiences, share your knowledge. And there wasn't that sort of hatred and derision of women that is common in the capital letter Red Pill community. Back in the early 2000s PUA community it was more like, guys thought that women were often annoying but they didn't make some complicated theories about it or dwell on it much, the focus was on just figuring out how to get laid.

yes exactly, the more political something gets, the less pragmatic in my opinion bc then it becomes about ideology and less about tactics. This is overall a tactical forum I'd say