Dietary Supplements(good or just a waste of time?)...it's getting serious!

[Badmannaz]

yeah so i go to the mall today to buy new clothes but for the past 2 months all i can think about is what im going to look like when i'm cut (its a Flash Forward to the summer of 2006) I go to sleep and dream of me talkiing to incredibly hot women who can't resist me and my muscles..yea so back on the story i was at the mall today about to buy some new clothes and instead of going to buy like one shirt that cost like $45 i went ahead and i bought dietary supplements...I walked out of that store with a smile thinking now im starting to get serious....

There's only one problem...I've never took dietary supplements and i've heard it's a waist!!!

Now i work out and all and i got Xtreme Trim Supreme ephedra Free "fast acting"

The guy said that alot of people liked this product and i asked him the probability rate on this working he said it was high.

So what i want to ask you experts out there is the dietary supplement is it real?? does it really help you??(including you work out of course)













:box: I'm going to pump you up!!!!

 

[uzio]

Ephedra increases the rate of release of fat from fat cells. Best used as ECA stack - eg ephedra + caffeine + aspirin.

http://www.theministryoffitness.com/mof/library/faq/faq2.htm

just drop 'ECA stack' at google (www.google.com) to get more info.

The hint is - if you don't do cardio, then ECA will get you minimal results. During weightlifting body mostly uses glycogen, not fat for energy. It is reverse with cardio - and with ECA supplementation you get maximum rate amount of fat burned.

And a note from me - when you are a begginer (and afair you are) you probably don't want any supplementation. Your body slowly builds resistance to those things and in effect - while you will get extra fat loss now, it may hinder your efforts later.

For now concentrate on diet, weights and cardio.

 

[RaWBLooD]

Originally posted by uzio
Ephedra increases the rate of release of fat from fat cells. Best used as ECA stack - eg ephedra + caffeine + aspirin.

http://www.theministryoffitness.com/mof/library/faq/faq2.htm

just drop 'ECA stack' at google (www.google.com) to get more info.

The hint is - if you don't do cardio, then ECA will get you minimal results. During weightlifting body mostly uses glycogen, not fat for energy. It is reverse with cardio - and with ECA supplementation you get maximum rate amount of fat burned.

And a note from me - when you are a begginer (and afair you are) you probably don't want any supplementation. Your body slowly builds resistance to those things and in effect - while you will get extra fat loss now, it may hinder your efforts later.

For now concentrate on diet, weights and cardio.

"ephedra Free"

Xtreme Trim Supreme ephedra Free "fast acting"

 

[uzio]

Originally posted by RaWBLooD
"ephedra Free"

Lol - I sometimes read too fast (2 am here )

Then it is junk.

EDIT:

I researched it. It is just caffeine and some fancy tea. Coffee is cheaper, alas less convinient.

It won't hurt, but nothing fancy.

 

[Badmannaz]

okay so i don't get it don't use it or whaT???

i mean i bought it so yeah i wanna use it!! if it helps me lose weight!!! i don't understand how my body would build a resistance against losing weight??


what's the difference between having ephedra and ephedra free?
BTW WTF!!! is EHPEDRA??

 

[Badmannaz]

OBTW what would be some good FAT BURNING EXERCISE in the gym???

 

[RaWBLooD]

best fat burning exercise swimming.
in the gym.... hmm try jumping jacks.

Your body would build a resistance from losing weight becaise its priority is your survival, not the appearance of your abs and veins, so its gonna tend to slow down your metabolic rate, and the like to "save" you.

Ephedra is many times more efficient than coffee for an energy booster, so ephedra free is crap.

 

[A-Unit]

Re:

Ephedra was a very serviceable supplement. Most products that contained it were very useful. It didn't matter the company @ the time. Just use it, eat less, workout, drop weight. Now they banned it, so most companies who's main profit centers were fat loss have TRIED to step up and replace it, but not very well.

And yes, most fat burning supps are a waste. Psychologically, they help, because if you drop $50 on supps instead of a shirt, you will work to see you get value for it. But by and large, those who get the results are ALSO those who are trying to cut, decreasing calories and determined to hit their goal, so they'd likely lose the weight ANYWAYS.

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As far as fat burning activity, even walking on a tread for 30 minutes, uphill while on a moderate speed is good. Just don't go intense as you would via lifting. The body uses carbs for intense work and once depleted will use protein/fats depending on intensity. If you stay in the moderate range, then you will be able to burn fat.

The key to burning fat is consistency. Moderate cardio or fat buring is boring, so bring a book and be like a hamster on a wheel. The high intensity stuff is good if you want to improve your endureance and cardiovascular capabilities, but that is not in sync with fat burning.

Most exercise you do @ a moderate pace and a moderate duration will be fat burning, because all the body cares about his heart rate. The heart rate determines intensity, and therefore what nutrients are used or not used.

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A-Unit

 

[DoubleJuan]

anything but an ECA stack is waste of money for cutting, ephedra free:no sideeffects AND no effects!

the best thing for dieting throug gym exercise would be 912HST i think...dont have a link and havent tried it myself but maybe someone else has.

 

[Badmannaz]

the supplement has CLA in it so i heard that's good.. i checked magazine and it showed the top 3 things to have when losing weight....CLA GREEN TEA and i forgot the last one...

 

[MetalFortress]

"The key to burning fat is consistency. Moderate cardio or fat buring is boring, so bring a book and be like a hamster on a wheel. The high intensity stuff is good if you want to improve your endureance and cardiovascular capabilities, but that is not in sync with fat burning."

BS, A-Unit. Why do you think HIIT works so well to burn fat? Have you ever felt your pulse about 5 minutes after doing a lifting exercise? It's STILL pounding. I'm no scientist but I can tell you that consistantly high heart rate comes just as well through intense training as normal cardio. I haven't the links to the studies at this moment, but HIIT and Tabata have both been shown to be just as or more effective than steady state stuff.

 

[uzio]

Oh guys - your'e exaggerating.

The pills work - caffeine or green tea are one of the best fat-loss supplements there are. The point is that 50 bucks will buy you alot of coffee or green tea - surely more then those pills contain.

And still caffeine alone, or green tea (or ephedra for that matter) is not as effective as good 'ol ECA stack simply because ephedra, caffeine and aspirin have that cool synergic effect which makes them so darn effective.

That pills are simply not cost effective

 

[Warboss Alex]

Originally posted by uzio
Oh guys - your'e exaggerating.

The pills work - caffeine or green tea are one of the best fat-loss supplements there are. The point is that 50 bucks will buy you alot of coffee or green tea - surely more then those pills contain.

And still caffeine alone, or green tea (or ephedra for that matter) is not as effective as good 'ol ECA stack simply because ephedra, caffeine and aspirin have that cool synergic effect which makes them so darn effective.

That pills are simply not cost effective

I won't disagree with the effectiveness of ECA as a fat burner, but what I must question is its necessity. Why did you get fat in the first place? Did you eat too many carbs? Did no cardio? Too much junk?

Simply by being intelligent with your wretched b*lking phases you could've avoided the deposition of unnecessary fat, and so from now 'til the summer of 2006 you could be making even more muscle. But I digress, hopefully you'll realise for yourselves how wasteful (time and moneywise, ECA is expensive) bulking/cutting phases are.

Cardio is there for the heart and to control bodyfat. Add or increase the cardio in your routine and be more meticulous about your food choices/combinations and the pounds will drop off. Don't go into some low-calorie/low-carb/low-whatever diet thing that will lose you strength and size you worked so hard to get in the first place.

Which cardio is dependent on you, just be consistent and dedicated with it, just like your lifting.

I've used HIIT and steady-state and got good results from both.

HIIT does give a better rate of fat burning and the intensity (sprints or whatever) will sharpen your physique, but will tire you out quickly; also, I've found my leg workouts suffering if I did HIIT a day or two before - given my split, that means I'd be restricted to HIIT two or three times a week, or I could not do legs and do HIIT five or six times. Err, tough choice. Duh. Anyway.

Steady state, i.e. fast walking or jogging is much more forgiving on leg recovery and can be incorporated into your schedule nearly every day (even on leg days, after the workout). An option is to do fasted cardio (or having taken whey, BCAAs etc before) after you get up, this'll also jack your metabolism for the rest of the day (plus it wakes you up nicely).

Anyway, it's up to you. Just remember that steady state does NOT equal catabolism (if done intelligent, don't do 3hr sessions) and you don't have to lose any strength or muscle tissue when trying to cut fat, if you do that means you're not doing it properly - I'm talking for the average bodybuilder here like myself who doesn't want to get ripped for a show, to get into precontest shape then some muscle may have to be sacrificed, but I've had no experience of that personally.

You might as well use whatever you bought, personally I don't see a need for it, you're not a pro and you shouldn't've got fat in the first place.

There's a long time 'til summer 06, you could easily just be intelligent with your diet and cardio, and both drop bodyfat AND gain more muscle in that time (at the same time).

 

[uzio]

Warboss.

FYI - I didn't _get_ fat. I was born fat. Usually infant will weigh about 6-7lb - I was almost 9. I've been fat all my life and what I am doing now is getting the lard off me (100 lbs gone up to now) and start getting a body I want.

Also FYI - I didn't use ephedra or any other supplement - save for occasional coffee before cardio and green tea. Diet and excecise is still 95% of the work - no matter what suplements you take.

ECA imho is solely for those who want to get to that mythical 8% BF.

 

[Badmannaz]

Originally posted by Warboss Alex
Why did you get fat in the first place? Did you eat too many carbs? Did no cardio? Too much junk?

i was about to say, i thought you were talking to me because i was about to say man that's rude...some people were just natural like that....i started getting big when i was in 5th grade (basically when puberty hit) now that i've matured i can work out b/c i have more self control.

 

[Warboss Alex]

Originally posted by uzio
Warboss.

FYI - I didn't _get_ fat. I was born fat. Usually infant will weigh about 6-7lb - I was almost 9. I've been fat all my life and what I am doing now is getting the lard off me (100 lbs gone up to now) and start getting a body I want.

Also FYI - I didn't use ephedra or any other supplement - save for occasional coffee before cardio and green tea. Diet and excecise is still 95% of the work - no matter what suplements you take.

ECA imho is solely for those who want to get to that mythical 8% BF.

Ooops, I'm sorry mate, my reply was intended for the original poster. I didn't mean to cause offence!