Definition of 'Alpha'

[Man_Of_The_Hour]

I've observed the term 'Alpha' being thrown around in various ways, both in a positive and negative light.

What I'd like to know is what is your own personal definition of the term 'Alpha', why/how you came to your definition, and it's comparison to 'Beta'.

 

[zekko]

I think this whole infatuation with "alpha" and "beta" is seriously handicapping the manosphere, and the pickup community. Basically, they want to say "alpha" is a personality type, which means that they want everybody to conform to having the same personality type, which I think is a serious mistake. Because everyone has a different personality (as MidnightCity infers), and that is a very good thing.

An alpha male is the dominant male. The alpha male is a POSITION, not a mindset. The alpha male in nature generally gets his pick of females, so PUA gurus try to teach guys to mimic the behaviors of the dominant male.

There's nothing wrong with that, but trying to act like someone else does not necessarily make you the alpha male. You teach everybody on the block to act like this, this, and this, and then all the guys in the neighborhood are suddenly alphas? Doesn't work that way. Women want the top guy.

What the manosphere is really doing is teaching guys how to be masculine. Then they are calling masculine "alpha". Women want men to be strong, to have a mind and passions of their own, and not to just kowtow to pvssy all the time. Unfortunately, too many men are weak, and fold at the knees at the thought of getting some attention from some decent looking chick. Know your own value. That's not "alpha", it's just the right thing to do, and the smart thing to do.

 

[Fitters]

I simply don't buy into the alpha/beta game. We are humans , socialization = alpha /beta.
Same way socialization is making it acceptable to say gay people should raise kids and get married.
In a way , we are letting society decide what we should be.

Just be your self and respect yourself. If you are naturally "nice" , learn when to say NO , when not to break your back for others. And most importantly when to speak up.
99% or the "nice" guys who decided to force themself to be alpha ended up being nothing but jerks/*******s.
Life is about balance , find your niche and stay within.

 

[skinnyguy]

If a guy is swimming in puss, he is automatically alpha.

Basically a guy who's good with women.

 

[Peña]

Alpha = freedom

Beta = servitude

So an "Alpha" serving his boss at work would engage in servitude being a beta. Plenty of betas have freedom and they are rejected by women all the time. They have freedom but they are no alphas. These posters make up what they believe alphas are and it changes by the day. They are called out on their beta bucking at bars but they still claim to have "freedom" being an alpha. They claim strong alpha men in relationships are betas. It is a joke.

 

[zekko]

If a guy is swimming in puss, he is automatically alpha.
Basically a guy who's good with women.

The thing I don't like about this is that it defines the "alpha" by how he does with women. Women should be a byproduct, a side effect of being the alpha, not the defining characteristic.

a single man with game that realizes he has the keys to the city so to speak, will always be free in ways that a man in a relationship will never be

Sounds a bit like PairPlus's comment that "alphas aren't in LTRs". Now, I make no claim about being an alpha, I don't like labels. But I will say this:

You young folk probably won't understand this, but one reason I like being in an LTR is FOR the freedom. I'm not married. I have hobbies, interests, and financial projects. I don't need women getting in the way of that. When I have a LTR girlfriend in place, bam the female thing is covered. I don't have to spend an ounce of my time going out looking for new plates. I can just get on with my business. To me, THAT is freedom. And because we're not married, she is no threat to my resources.

Regarding "alphas aren't in LTRs", I know many think that presidents, senators, CEOs and such are just beta provider pvssy types. But I think I can guarantee that many of them are NOT. You'll find, though, that most CEO or leader types WILL have wives. Having a wife in high positions of power is very helpful in fitting into the upper echelons of society. Plus having a mother for your sons (if you want any) is healthy for them. So I think this dismissal of LTRs for these alpha people that the manosphere worships is a little shortsighted, to say the least.

I'm not saying you have to be a senator or CEO to be an alpha, don't get me wrong. There are different types of alphas, as MidnightCity points out. For example, there are the barroom brawling convict types of alphas that the manosphere seems to be especially fond of. But I have no desire to see the inside of a prison cell, so y'all can have fun with that, if that's what you're looking for.

 

[Peña]

NO.

freedom is not limited to any one aspect (financial or otherwise). freedom is the extent to which one is in control of their own lives.

can we argue that its more alpha to be your own boss and make your own rules? yes but an alpha with a job is still an alpha. theres degrees to this. a warehouse worker that pulls orders all day can be more alpha and outgame a doctor or CEO and be generally much more desirable to women. does it mean that women will want to marry this guy? not neccessarily. what it does mean is that he has more sexual value in those womens eyes that another man might not have. although a good job might offer a man financial freedom and attrct women seeking stability, does not automatically grant men genuine sexual desiribility. this is the connection that men cant seem to or are in denial to make.

by definition, being in a relatipnship means that you are sacrificng a big chunk of power/freedom to keep one female around in exchange for her loyalty/sex. am i saying theres anything wrong with that? no. men want what they want. some men will always want their mothers love and seek it out in women. but a single man with game that realizes he has the keys to the city so to speak, will always be free in ways that a man in a relationship will never be

Freedom can be taken away from you very easily. People can lose control of their lives even if they were an alpha. That does not mean you are an alpha. Betas with freedom can try to get women for sex and fail. Alpha men need the personal requirements to be an alpha. If you do not have the leadership skills or the inner makings of an alpha you are not an alpha. If you do not have alpha charcteristics you are not an alpha trying to fake it. Some guy can be sexually appealing to fat and ugly women and bed them. Would that make him an alpha? Some guys beta buck women. That is no alpha since he has the freedom to do so. Some guys can hook up with women but not have the skills to be with women long term. If he can not control or dominate women in a relationship he is not an alpha no matter what he tries to claim.

The issue I have is that people throw a label on a man and assume what they do not know. They say he is a beta because he is in a relationship. The other guy is an alpha because he tries to spin plates. They do not know the man to understand who and what he really is. So they claim beta/relationship and alpha/plates. That is wrong only to assume what they do not know of the man.

Alphas will spin plates and be in relationships at times in their lives. They do not just stay one way all the time. People that are looked up to as alphas in our history or media were married at one point in their lives and some were divorced. To make a comment saying all men in relationships or marriages are betas is pure nonsense. It is up to how the individual man is what makes him an alpha or a beta. False generalizations will make you a fool always being wrong.

Alphas arent in LTRs.

Another false statement. Men who were/are regarded as real alphas have been/are in LTR's and have been married. Name me one alpha you know of who hasn't.

 

[Peña]

so much nonsense and things that were never said being spewed

if youre going to discuss something with me stick tot he points i make. not the one liners being dropped in randomly.

i never said there was anything wrong with being in a relationship. im merely pointing out a reality.

of course age plays a factor. most older people just want company. but as it is, most people on this forum are not older people. why promote and pander to a demographic and tell them that LTRs are the bees knees when most people here are young guys that get turned on by the smell of bleach. lets leave subjective anecdotes out of this. no one is saying youre a beta for being in a LTR. at least im not

im not here to split haris with people. if you need to take things completely out of context to make a point dont waste your time and mine.

i mean really, this is how you argue?

There is no nonsense. Some posters call men betas strictly for being in relationships and you agreed with them. I am saying you can not call a man a beta when you do not even know who he is. Your reality is wrong since you do not know who the man is or what he does.

A real alpha decides what he wants for his life. That is the freedom he has. He does not need to read posts from a poster calling him a beta for wanting or thinking about being in a relationship.

If a man wants to live his life spinning plates that is his freedom. If a man wants to be in a relationship that can handle women he has the freedom to leave the relationship anytime he likes. Why bash and insult men for doing what they want calling them betas? That is stupid. Men should be given good advice for what they choose to persue either plates or relationships. They should not be shamed and called a beta for wanting a relationship.

There was nothing wrong with the point I made. Some posters are arguing that the only way to be "alpha" is to spin plates. So I said what if that guy is only banging fat or ugly women spinning plates? What if he is buying off women with money? Does that make him an "alpha"? That is a very valid question to ask.

 

[bigneil]

I think this whole infatuation with "alpha" and "beta" is seriously handicapping the manosphere, and the pickup community.

Amen. I'm done talking about it. Attraction is king.

I am saying you can not call a man a beta when you do not even know who he is.

Like I said, Pena is the biggest hypocrite on the site.

 

[Peña]

Like I said, Pena is the biggest hypocrite on the site.

No I am not a hypocrite. I am calling it as I see it with your own words of beta bucking.

Remember, you don't just get a number for $100 (which is what you give her). You get the equivalent time of a date with her, for about what a date would cost. If you are good you will physically get further than you would on a good date. Mainly, you have a chance to work whatever magic you have. And you gain power because the more beautiful women you interact with (even if they reject you), the better.

Anyhow I asked her if she makes house calls and she said yes. She said she could be there at 2:15AM but I said we should wait until (tonight). She called me on her phone until mine rang. She got called on stage so I paid her $60 and (fighting off some other girls on the way) left. (Total: $97 for new hooker who will deliver sex for $400 + tip).

So I spent $135 or 90 minutes pay getting a couple prospects (in about 2 hours time). As you can see, time was the biggest cost.

I want to smash and beta buck game is the fastest/easiest way.

You are talking about paying strippers hundreds of dollars for phone numbers, dates, sex. What else would you call it Neil? That is beta bucking.

Poon King is admitting that beta bucks is his game because he wants to smash.

You guys are beta bucking. Poon King said beta bucks is his game. Why do you have a problem with reality?

 

[bigneil]

No I am not a hypocrite. I am calling it as I see it with your own words of beta bucking.

Pena you said you would never call someone Beta who you don't know. You don't know me, though are obviously obsessed with me and stalking some of us here.

Pena went back over a year in my history to find those quotes btw (and they were from the same night). FACT: PENA WAS NOT A MEMBER FOR 11 MONTHS AFTER THOSE POSTS. Funny, eh? That means she CHANGED USERNAMES and was reading all along. What a fraud. Probably Jaylan XVII.

Within a couple weeks of posting that, I had 3 dates for the same night and slept with all 3 women, 2 for free. I've had sex with about 8 women since then, have been to 14 states, had 25 dates, got 50 phone numbers, and Pena is still talking about my successful strategy as if it's all disqualified because I make welfare dads look broke? OOH I spent $60 in February 2014!! I make $60 in 45 minutes, the amount of time she sat on my lap that night. She went out with me for free too.

So McCartney can earn his $50 Million back according to Pena, but I can't earn my $60 back? I took home $250,000 since that post.

And like I said, we know one thing for sure. Pena is not Alpha if he goes around calling people Beta who he never met.

You'd spend hundreds of dollars too if you ever had that much. Why won't you tell us what you do for work and how much you make, Pena, seeing as you are not a woman on welfare. I was honest. I take home up to $1020 a day. I'm not getting any younger. I have a date with a 21 year old (an HB9 who I met my first week in Atlanta, who is a real Playboy Bunny and who has sent romantic texts for 2 months now) for my 45th birthday and yes I'm going to spend $183. In fact, I'm going to offer to get the best hotel in town when we're walking by it, and buy her a bikini, and take her swimming in the rooftop pool, just like the last girl.

I just planned a trip to Boston next month with my Austin girl, which will be for one weekend, and the itinerary is 28 pages. In the last few years, I've had a series of perfectly executed trips to the best cities, restaurants, beaches and hotels, with the most beautiful women I ever knew. As long as they are attracted, life is good.

And show us photos of some of the women you scored as a Gamma male, Pena. Anyone can PM me for photos of my women.

Get a life Pena. You are getting oneitis over SS members.

 

[Peña]

You said you would never call someone Beta who you don't know. You don't know me, though are obviously obsessed with me and stalking me.

And like I said, we know one thing for sure. Pena is not Alpha if he goes around calling people Beta who he never met.

You'd spend hundreds of dollars too if you ever had that much. Why won't you tell us what you do for work and how much you make, Pena, seeing as you are not a woman on welfare. I was honest. I take home up to $1020 a day. I'm not getting any younger. I have a date with a 21 year old (an HB9 who I met my first week in Atlanta, who is a real Playboy Bunny and who has sent romantic texts for 2 months now) for my 45th birthday and yes I'm going to spend $183. In fact, I'm going to offer to get the best hotel in town when we're walking by it, and buy her a bikini, and take her swimming in the rooftop pool, just like the last girl.

Get a life Pena. You have oneitis over a SS member.

Like I said, Pena is the biggest hypocrite on the site.

LOL. You are crazy man. You Came into this thread and wrote to me first calling me a hypocrite. There is your post. Who is stalking who? I just responded in kind. Then you get mad when the truth is pointed out to you.

If you want to spend thousands of dollars on women half your age go for it if you have the bucks. All you talk about is how much money you spend on women to get, dates, sex, phone numbers. Then you get mad when it is pointed out to you. If you can only use money to get women then that is your game. Enjoy it while you can.

You have made up lies about me and other members here not knowing us. Then when someone says something back to you after you made real comments on your beta bucking, you start to cry playing the victim. It is a joke. If you can not have a decent conversation with me no need to post to me anymore. I will do the same. I am here to give advice not to be called lame names by you.

 

[Stugots]

Pena you said you would never call someone Beta who you don't know. You don't know me, though are obviously obsessed with me and stalking some of us here.

Pena went back over a year in my history to find those quotes btw (and they were from the same night). FACT: PENA WAS NOT A MEMBER FOR 11 MONTHS AFTER THOSE POSTS. Funny, eh? That means she CHANGED USERNAMES and was reading all along. What a fraud. Probably Jaylan XVII.

Within a couple weeks of posting that, I had 3 dates for the same night and slept with all 3 women, 2 for free. I've had sex with about 8 women since then, have been to 14 states, had 25 dates, got 50 phone numbers, and Pena is still talking about my successful strategy as if it's all disqualified because I make welfare dads look broke? OOH I spent $60 in February 2014!! I make $60 in 45 minutes, the amount of time she sat on my lap that night. She went out with me for free too.

So McCartney can earn his $50 Million back according to Pena, but I can't earn my $60 back? I took home $250,000 since that post.

And like I said, we know one thing for sure. Pena is not Alpha if he goes around calling people Beta who he never met.

You'd spend hundreds of dollars too if you ever had that much. Why won't you tell us what you do for work and how much you make, Pena, seeing as you are not a woman on welfare. I was honest. I take home up to $1020 a day. I'm not getting any younger. I have a date with a 21 year old (an HB9 who I met my first week in Atlanta, who is a real Playboy Bunny and who has sent romantic texts for 2 months now) for my 45th birthday and yes I'm going to spend $183. In fact, I'm going to offer to get the best hotel in town when we're walking by it, and buy her a bikini, and take her swimming in the rooftop pool, just like the last girl.

I just planned a trip to Boston next month with my Austin girl, which will be for one weekend, and the itinerary is 28 pages. In the last few years, I've had a series of perfectly executed trips to the best cities, restaurants, beaches and hotels, with the most beautiful women I ever knew. As long as they are attracted, life is good.

And show us photos of some of the women you scored as a Gamma male, Pena. Anyone can PM me for photos of my women.

Get a life Pena. You are getting oneitis over SS members.

Why do you have to pay low quality women who strip in front of various men (and possibly more) for a living to tell you they love you and send you texts of romance? Are you paying their cell phone bills as well to send those texts? Are you afraid no one can truly like you without you paying low quality women so you can feel "above" them in some way?

 

[foreverAFC]

when i hear the word alpha male, i think of navy seals and green berets. in our society, the warriors are the true alphas. some of you may think a guy like the dude from jersey shore is alpha because he has some muscles and is able to pull skanks at the club every week, but put him next to a combat veteran or someone currently serving and there is no comparison and no mistake as to who is alpha.

i would say doctors are alpha males too, in society they are saviours and men of wisdom.

 

[bigneil]

What a coincidence! A person named Stugots joined this week and also has a black rating and just happens to use the same annoying terms Pena repeats ad nauseum, such as "MGTOW" and "Beta Bucks", proving she is a bitter, fat, old woman. Why do the moderators allow this obvious crap from antagonists? She personally ruined the term Alpha Male, for mankind.

And foreverAFC, a profession that is brainwashed by Big Pharma does not all get a certain status. Healers do. Not people who sell poisons with more side effects they can fit on a sheet of paper.

If some of you would rather go to Starbucks than swim in shark infested waters in the Atlantic Ocean, or eat Spaghetti-O's instead of dining at the finest restaurants like Menton in Boston, or to stay at Motel 6 instead of the best hotels like Peabody in Memphis, you are really missing out on the finest things in life.

Pena never mentions the most important word (besides her gender, age, aliases and salary): attraction. As long as a woman is attracted to you, the more you can afford to spend and the more fun you have, the better. If she isn't, no matter how much you spend, it's terrible. It's about attraction and value giving. When I take a woman out I want it to be the best date of her life. I enjoy the finer things too. I've taken one girl to 5 states and #6 is next month.

 

[Solomon]

when i hear the word alpha male, i think of navy seals and green berets. in our society, the warriors are the true alphas. some of you may think a guy like the dude from jersey shore is alpha because he has some muscles and is able to pull skanks at the club every week

Agreed if all it takes to be Alpha is pull tail, I know tons of guys who can fit the bill. Getting ***** does not make you Alpha, I know guys who are broke pulling byctches on some homeles shyt


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDVxWSQ7wLU

^^One of my buddies actually met this guy......

 

[Stugots]

What a coincidence! A person named Stugots joined this week and also has a black rating and just happens to use the same annoying terms Pena repeats ad nauseum, such as "MGTOW" and "Beta Bucks", proving she is a bitter, fat, old woman. Why do the moderators allow this obvious crap from antagonists? She personally ruined the term Alpha Male, for mankind.

And foreverAFC, a profession that is brainwashed by Big Pharma does not all get a certain status. Healers do. Not people who sell poisons with more side effects they can fit on a sheet of paper.

If some of you would rather go to Starbucks than swim in shark infested waters in the Atlantic Ocean, or eat Spaghetti-O's instead of dining at the finest restaurants like Menton in Boston, or to stay at Motel 6 instead of the best hotels like Peabody in Memphis, you are really missing out on the finest things in life.

Pena never mentions the most important word (besides her gender, age, aliases and salary): attraction. As long as a woman is attracted to you, the more you can afford to spend and the more fun you have, the better. If she isn't, no matter how much you spend, it's terrible. It's about attraction and value giving. When I take a woman out I want it to be the best date of her life. I enjoy the finer things too. I've taken one girl to 5 states and #6 is next month.

Nice try BetaBucksBigNeil.

Is THAT your and PK way of trying to "get out of jail free" by claiming those who don't buy your nonsense are either the "same" person or "women" "trolling" etc. and crying to the mods? LMAO. That's weak sauce son.

Trying to peddle your foolishness and if posters don't agree with it call them "antagonists"? GTFO with that BS.


It's one thing to make good money. Everyone should strive for a great job and money.

It's no problem spending money on women who deserve it and you like going nice places.

But for posters to run around for YEARS telling everyone "Alpha fvcks, Beta bucks" in a laughable attempt to shame others for what THEY THEMSELVES have been doing all along to get a "one up" on them by feeding them the opposite of what they themselves are doing is laughable.

And on TOP of that spending money on low class women who strip for a living (and more) trying to pretend it's now something posters should look up to is embarrassing at best.

You must have some serious issues from your past. You seem to place high value on low value women to feel "better" about yourself and delude yourself that "everyone else pays for dates" so it's "ok" if I date strippers because "everyone really wants a stripper".

Do you. But don't brag about dating pole dancers and act like you know "quality" and are "helping" others. The joke is on you.

 

[bigneil]

It takes a special kind of loser to reply with two accounts to the same post in an attempt to create the illusion of consensus, especially when their particular language makes it 100% obvious. Who would trust such a person for advice?

Jaylan = Pena = Stugots = fat, bitter, old woman trying to talk her way out of getting on the treadmill.

 

[Jaylan]

I find it funny though how neil is always trying to call others betas, when he has to spend money to get low quality women to pay attention to him.

*shrugs* Why was my name even invoked in this thread by him? Clearly you see this guy carries grudges around from thread to thread.

 

[zekko]

as has been stated time and time again, dominance over men does not autmatically equate to dominance over women.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but can you give some examples where a guy is dominant over men, but not women? I can give examples where a dominant position over other men DOES come with a certain amount of built in attraction from the opposite sex: Captain of the football team, girls crushing on the teacher in the classroom, the head gangster, leader of a rock band, etc. That's not to say those guys will always be the best with women, but they should draw SOME attention just based on their position.

I'm not sure what your point is, Midnight. Are you trying to say that an alpha male is simply the guy with the best game? As I said before, I don't think it's right to define an alpha male by women, women are the RESULT of being the alpha male, not the cause.

PUAs are interested in alpha males because women want the top guy, which is all that the alpha male is. So they develop ways to act/behave/fake like they are the top guy - which may work, but only in the short term. However, if it works long enough to get them sex, the woman may form an emotional attachment from that.