Dealing with haters/underminers?

[Firefly]

So I am part of an organisation which gives me the opportunity to meet a lot of attractive young women. I have been involved in the group for quite some time, so have managed to become quite established within the group.

Unfortunately, this has also lead to significant backlash against me, particularly as there have been a growing number of guys who have realised this is a great way to meet girls and also joined up with the group. There has been a concentrated attempt to portray me as being a "sexual predator" within the group, mainly by:

a. Guys trying to eliminate the competition or who otherwise motivated by jealousy.
b. Women who are trying to increase their own social standing in the group.

Some members of the group even managed to convince one of the new members to file a formal complaint against me, to have me removed from my position. This failed, and these members were later removed for engaging in similar behaviour towards others but the complaint still remains and many of the members are told by others of my "bad reputation".

Annoyingly, this has recently lead to some of the newer female members to avoid me. What steps if any should I take to respond to this? Or should I simply accept this as part of being a successful member of a group and ignore it?

 

[caporal]

I would say ignore them haters and play it cool for now. Watch your back from now on and take your revenge on those suckas when you can, wait for your chance and then strike em hard, use their dirty tactics on them....


Everywhere we face haters i can't stand them they are low lifes but very poisonus ones. Do you work for an NGO or something?

 

[Lexington]

Having haters is a sure sign that you are successful and you should be proud of yourself. Congratulations.

Every single successful person in the world has a bunch of haters. For all the people that admire Bill Gates, a bunch of people hate his guts. Ditto for Mark Zuckerberg, Warren Buffet, Steve Jobs etc.

If you don't have haters, it's because you don't matter enough for people to have an opinion about you. Don't worry about what the haters talking sh*t behind your back. If anything, it gives you "bad boy" cred. The fact that these girls are hearing something about you, instead of nothing will intrigue them.

We all know that "bad boy." The guy that pulls poon like it's his job and with shocking ease. You can bet that all the girls he's pumped and dumped are talking sh*t about him and so are his jealous competitors. Yet, it doesn't seem to make a difference....he continues to plow through the girls while everyone looks on, mesmerized.

There's this guy I used to know who I really hated. It was probably because he ended up fvcking and chvcking this one chick that me and my AFC buds were trying to game with no success. You can bet I talked sh*t to that girl about what an a$$hole he was. But that only seemed to turn her on more.

Then months later, this guy was fvcking this girl's best friend! My jaw hit the floor. I used to despise the guy. But now I admire him and realize that my hatred for him was plain jealously. In retrospect, I now realize that he was doing many of the things we talk about here. My pathetic attempts to sabotage him probably only helped him.

That was a little bit longer of a post than I originally intended. But don't worry about the haters. Just continue doing what you're doing. Again, congratulations!

 

[st_99]

Kill the haters with kindness. Its tough to do because in reality you want to b*tch slap them, but it works.

 

[sharkbeat]

Annoyingly, this has recently lead to some of the newer female members to avoid me. What steps if any should I take to respond to this? Or should I simply accept this as part of being a successful member of a group and ignore it?

Let them avoid you, but show you are having a good time with the older female members. The newer girls will join in pretty soon.

 

[Warrior74]

Having haters is a sure sign that you are successful and you should be proud of yourself. Congratulations.

Every single successful person in the world has a bunch of haters. For all the people that admire Bill Gates, a bunch of people hate his guts. Ditto for Mark Zuckerberg, Warren Buffet, Steve Jobs etc.

If you don't have haters, it's because you don't matter enough for people to have an opinion about you. Don't worry about what the haters talking sh*t behind your back. If anything, it gives you "bad boy" cred. The fact that these girls are hearing something about you, instead of nothing will intrigue them.

We all know that "bad boy." The guy that pulls poon like it's his job and with shocking ease. You can bet that all the girls he's pumped and dumped are talking sh*t about him and so are his jealous competitors. Yet, it doesn't seem to make a difference....he continues to plow through the girls while everyone looks on, mesmerized.

There's this guy I used to know who I really hated. It was probably because he ended up fvcking and chvcking this one chick that me and my AFC buds were trying to game with no success. You can bet I talked sh*t to that girl about what an a$$hole he was. But that only seemed to turn her on more.

Then months later, this guy was fvcking this girl's best friend! My jaw hit the floor. I used to despise the guy. But now I admire him and realize that my hatred for him was plain jealously. In retrospect, I now realize that he was doing many of the things we talk about here. My pathetic attempts to sabotage him probably only helped him.

That was a little bit longer of a post than I originally intended. But don't worry about the haters. Just continue doing what you're doing. Again, congratulations!

Ah I remember my first group of haters after me and my ex split. I met this chic on facebook, took her out twice, brought her to the house and beat it up. A few weeks later I see her at the bar with one of my old college biz frat bros. He asked me how I knew her, I said from "around". He then goes on to tell me how him and his friend have been trying to get with her for the last year! Then he disses his friend for being try hard (and doing the exact same thing he was doing). Later when they find out that I'm the guy she's complaining about, they turn against me saying that I take advantage of young girls (she was 22 at the time) and tried to have me banned from the biz frat mentor program, telling people I was just there to pick up young girls (which is exactly why they were there). It actually made a lot of girls come and talk to me, thanks haters!

The thing is, I never got upset. I just played it cool. Because to be honest, I wasn't jealous of them, I knew what I was there for and I didn't need them for anything. I put them in the same catagory as I would a gossiping woman. I just ignored them. They couldn't be a man and speak to me directly? Then I couldn't deal with them. Jealous is a feminine trait and their slip was showing.

 

[bigneil]

As they say in the Air Force - "You know you are over the target when the flak is heaviest".

 

[Julius_Seizeher]

I think the others have brought home the message, but let's get philosophical on this one.

Losers always hate winners, and the weak always hate the strong.

But do winners hate losers? Do the strong hate the weak? Only when losers and weaklings try to gang up and vote themselves a free ride at the expense of the strong. And what happens then? Atlas shrugs.

He shrugs his money to foreign banks. He shrugs your job to Mexico or China. He shrugs his money and his enterprises to places where wealth and work are not treated as plagues-where the people are at least honest enough to thank the men who move the world for the opportunities that they are afforded by these men.

Haters, losers, weaklings, rotters, looters, and moochers are not driven by the motive to succeed-that is one reason why they fail. Instead, they are driven by the desire for YOU to fail. They consider the wealth, the success, the achievement, the greatness of others as a blatant affront against them-as if they had anything to do with it. All their talk about equality and egalitarian utopia flies out the window when the first successful human being walks through the door-they instantly become what they truly are: a mindless mob of rotters, a barrel of crabs who invent half-baked pseudo-philosophies of bs to keep you from climbing out of that barrel.

The creator stands alone. He requires no sanction, no approval, no respect, no nothing from the mindless mob. We do not need them. And that is the fundamental reason why they hate us.

The parasite lives for others. He needs their sanction and their approval, he craves unearned respect (and all things unearned) and condemns individuality. Instead of building himself, he considers it right and noble to *attempt* to destroy others.

He and his kind will either be swept out of the government or this country will die, like any rotting socialist hellhole of europe, south america, or asia.

In any event, we have shown how to deal with underminers-ignore them, as you would ignore any ant on the sidewalk or any rat scurrying around in the darkness.

 

[bilboteabaggins]

haters always have clicks

kindness burns them up, had a coworker that I was friendly with recently fvck me over good(got really jealous over me recently for some reason) and I am treating him as if things were the same as before, makes them miserable

 

[Don Israel]

The creator stands alone. He requires no sanction, no approval, no respect, no nothing from the mindless mob. We do not need them. And that is the fundamental reason why they hate us.

Yea..the reason they hate us is because they spend so much effort reaching that status and are actually struggling hard to get there, while YOU are handling things like some sort of Prince... or Duke of the [ insert organization name ].

Your definitely gonna get hated for being past their bullsh*it level. People can smell success from miles away. Mastery of one's self IS the goal of all men.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Law 2: Never Put Too Much Trust in Friends, Learn How to Use Enemies
Be wary of friends— they will betray you more quickly, for they are easily aroused to envy. They also become spoiled and tyrannical. But hire a former enemy and he will be more loyal than a friend, because he has more to prove. In fact, you have more to fear from friends than from enemies. If you have no enemies, find a way to make them.

 

[caporal]

Be wary of friends— they will betray you more quickly, for they are easily aroused to envy. They also become spoiled and tyrannical. But hire a former enemy and he will be more loyal than a friend, because he has more to prove. In fact, you have more to fear from friends than from enemies. If you have no enemies, find a way to make them.

Very interesting rule Rollo, I like it. I have my share of enemies, but I still can´t see how they can be more loyal than a friend, care to share an example? I know how friends betray :kick: , I just want to see how to use enemies to my advantage.

 

[Firefly]

Sorry to drag up an old thread, but I am still finding myself feeling angry at times at the behaviour of these undermining types. I realise that this is a waste of time (especially as many of these types have moved on from the group as a result of their failure to establish themselves at my expense) so I was wondering what ideas I should keep in mind to stop my feelings of annoyance?

 

[Lexington]

I'd say just try to find some amusement in it. Sometimes, we take ourselves, others and life itself too seriously. Just think about these people for a minute. They are envious of your success. It burns them up inside. So as a pathetic and futile attempt to sabotage you, they talk sh*t about you. When you think about it like that, you realize that these folks don't deserve your anger, but rather your pity and maybe a bit of a laugh.

Also, you should take it as a compliment. The fact that these people hate you and have a strong opinion about you means that you matter to them. There was a time when I had no haters. No one disliked me and I got on fine with everyone. The sad thing was, I'd be forgotten five minutes after people met me. This is because I made all the effort to not be the object of people's disapproval. I later came to realize that it's impossible to stake your claim in the world without attracting someone's ire.

 

[sharkbeat]

Sorry to drag up an old thread, but I am still finding myself feeling angry at times at the behaviour of these undermining types. I realise that this is a waste of time (especially as many of these types have moved on from the group as a result of their failure to establish themselves at my expense) so I was wondering what ideas I should keep in mind to stop my feelings of annoyance?

What is your goal of joining this organization? What is your role in there? If you aim for your goal, then you'll become selfless. When you have become selfless, nobody can beat you. Nobody.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Here's a truth, Hatred is usually complimentary.

 

[vatoloco]

"The day I have no haters is the day I'll know I am no longer fascinating."

-vatoloco​

 

[Firefly]

Thanks guys, for some great, well-thought out advice! I have to admit, I am still pissed that the formal complaint elicited by these underminers is used against me within this community, but I am still meeting some women so it is all not bad news. I should also be grateful this incident forced me to expand my networks for meeting women as well - it is was an important reminder that I should not become too reliant on any one means of meeting women.

 

[squirrels]

My roommate and I used to joke in college that while women lie about any number of things, men typically lie about three things: their height, how much they can bench, and how much ass they pull.

The problem is one that's apparent on this forum, as well as in the real world. When some guy who fancies himself attractive/able to pull women is faced with some guy who is actually DOING it, it becomes a threat to his facade. Suddenly he can't pretend to himself that he is the "Don Juan" in the group, because if he was, he would be THAT guy. Instead, "that guy" is "that guy" and he is just himself.

I remember it very well...being at parties in high school, seeing a cute girl, and thinking about how I could introduce myself to her, and while I was standing there thinking, another guy would just roll up, sit down, and start yakking away.

My first thought was always, "How DARE he? What gives him the right to talk to this girl?" Then when she started giving him IOIs, my next thought was, "How can she be taken in by his bullsh*t? He is immoral for what he's doing and she is a moron for not seeing it!"

God, what a fool I was.

I try not to live under any delusions regarding my place in "the game" these days. I realize I have "talent"...but a lot of it is wasted. Now when I see a guy put a move on a girl I've been eyeing, instead of thinking ill of him, I remind myself that I could do it too...if I had bigger balls.

 

[leeraconteur]

I don't let this go on, especially at work.

If this is one guy ****-blocking and he becomes a nuisance (A guy cb'ing - this is the worst guy code to ever break. Just beyond unacceptable...), you need to get him alone in a stairwell and get in his face.

'Hey Jim, cut this **** out with me and C, it's not ****ing funny.'

Then the ***** will make some excuse, hem and haw that you don't have a sense of humor, will stand there with a smug smirk on his face.

Get right up in his ****, point your finger at him.

'Not ****ing funny! Knock it off!'

Turn around and walk back to the party.

Guys like this aren't even Betas, they aren't even Losers, they aren't even Men.