Dating Gurus' Ugly Girlfriends and Wives exposed

[CornbreadFed]

"Novice level expectations" eh? Not sure if that is some indirect dig at me, but if you think you have it figured out otherwise then more power to you. I know nothing about Rollo personally at this point. I know he wrote a masterpiece about a decade ago. Maybe he has lost sight of things since then or maybe the man is a relationship-genius. I couldn't care less about that. Nor does a sample of 1 mean anything as to what I posted before.

Idk I just find it absurd to automatically discredit a 25+ year marriage over getting your d1ck sucked. The fact that I have ended relationships when I was still getting my knob slobbed on consistently still says how ridiculous this is lol. These are novice level expectations because other things start to become more important as the relationship? For example, knowing how to effectively run a household, helping raise the kids, maintaining steady and healthy employment, and etc. I get it that getting your knob slobbed on is great and important, but you if you think that is one of the most important expectations in a relationship then I have to heavily disagree.

 

[Barrister]

Idk I just find it absurd to automatically discredit a 25+ year over getting your d1ck sucked. The fact that I have ended relationships when I was still getting my knob slobbed on consistently still says how ridiculous this is lol. These are novice level expectations because other things start to become more important as the relationship? For example, knowing how to effectively run a household, helping raise the kids, maintaining steady and healthy employment, and etc. I get it that getting your knob slobbed on is great and important, but you if you think that is one of the most important expectations in a relationship then I have to heavily disagree.

I phrased it as getting blown - but yes, I DO think regular sex is incredibly high on the list of important expectations in an LTR. And kudos to you that you have never let things get to that point. In the past when I was blue pilled, I let things get to that point. The sex had dried up, she wanted to argue nonstop and challenge me, etc. I ended the relationship. But I have complete confidence in saying I could have kept my first wife in my life for as long as I wanted. I could have stayed married to her unhappily for 60 years and died having only been married to one woman had I wanted to. But the relationship was awful - and I was not going to do that. I finally had enough, and shortly thereafter, found this place, and my whole life change for the better.

That is my point. Longevity, by itself, means nothing. I don't consider blue pilled guys' marriages that have been going for multiple decades "success stories." Quality is so much more important. I am obviously glossing over details intentionally because I am not going to write a book in this thread.

 

[CheekyMonkey101]

Tbh my best relationships have been where the girl is slightly below me in looks and she knows it. Women like to look up to men in order to respect them in relationships..

Although I can understand what he's saying.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

I know John Anthony Lifestyle is a controversial figure but I do think he has a good point. Why should those of us who wish to date and sleep with beautiful women take advice from "gurus" that can't get one themselves. People cope too much when they say "well average girls have better personalities". In my experience, that is BS. Whether you disagree with me or not, I just thought that this reveal was very telling.

He has a point but his girl looked manly so he can't really talk

 

[CheekyMonkey101]

It happens all the time, WTF are you talking about? I know tons of couples from social circles where the woman is far better looking than the dude.

How old are they usually if you don't mind me asking?

 

[CornbreadFed]

I phrased it as getting blown - but yes, I DO think regular sex is incredibly high on the list of important expectations in an LTR. And kudos to you that you have never let things get to that point. In the past when I was blue pilled, I let things get to that point. The sex had dried up, she wanted to argue nonstop and challenge me, etc. I ended the relationship. But I have complete confidence in saying I could have kept my first wife in my life for as long as I wanted. I could have stayed married to her unhappily for 60 years and died having only been married to one woman had I wanted to. But the relationship was awful - and I was not going to do that. I finally had enough, and shortly thereafter, found this place, and my whole life change for the better.

That is my point. Longevity, by itself, means nothing. I don't consider blue pilled guys' marriages that have been going for multiple decades "success stories." Quality is so much more important. I am obviously glossing over details intentionally because I am not going to write a book in this thread.

Why not just learn to find a better relationship next time

Tbh my best relationships have been where the girl is slightly below me in looks and she knows it. Women like to look up to men in order to respect them in relationships..

What, everyone on the internet is dating a 10!!

 

[CheekyMonkey101]

What, everyone on the internet is dating a 10!!

I know. Unbelievable!

 

[SW15]

That is my point. Longevity, by itself, means nothing. I don't consider blue pilled guys' marriages that have been going for multiple decades "success stories." Quality is so much more important.

This is such an important point that I can't emphasize enough.

Middle aged blue pilled guys with marriages that have lasted 20+ years do not have "success stories".

I'm in the early part of middle age and I know some couples that have been together 10-15 years and/or married 5-10 years. These relationships are all somewhere between mediocre to subpar.

Many men tolerate mediocre to subpar LTRs and marriages because they fear being on the singles market and facing long periods without sex.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

How do you know he has a high lay count? Because he said so? Then I'm telling you that my lay count is 10 000, I must have a system that works and of course I'm not a scam. Why? Because I said so.

Come on Jessy, you're pathetic, it's ridiculous.
Wake up man

Because he has receipts, moron.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

For about $500, I can hire a Brazilian hooker, do a photoshoot where she's pretending to be my girlfriend, and then record a YouTube video where I claim that my lay count in 1537 and that I "take my lay count verify seriously". Maybe I should do it just to fvck with Pinkster. He sounds like the kind of guy who would believe anything.

So are you finally going to tell us about that time you actually gamed in Miami and got laid or are you going to just stick to the QAnon garbage as usual? Come on, you must be here for something other than telling us about Lizard People running the world.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

You see, I disagree with this above statement and I'm probably in the top 0.1% of men when it comes to lay counts.

So you want me to believe some scammer who talks all day about how awful women are, makes up theories, gives BS motivation lectures, complains about hypergamy, and all of that stuff over a guy that admits that lay count matters a lot?

Let's stick to this part of the debate.

Lay counts are practically the main metric for determining if a dating coach is worth a dollar. The problem is you have too many frauds running around who have low lay counts but can market their BS well. JAL did a good job putting them and their hideous hag of wives on blast, I respect him for that.

If you are dating and marrying trash, stop speaking about game and just STFU.

If you are not pulling hot girls, STFU.

It is that simple.

Then you want us to believe that awkward clowns like Berba and Sasha Daygame are worth paying a cent for while JAL gets the results?

It is simple, pay guys who get results, they are the ones actually doing anything. Not bums like RSD Max that just stay indoors and play videogames all day.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

A lot of dudes clearly have something against JAL and I don't blame them. TBH, I don't like the guy all that much either. I do, however, think that there needs to be a way for us to hold PUAs accountable. These clowns have zero credibility in charging for their services when they are doing banged up trash, settled down with 4s, and do not have the receipts to back up their success. JAL has the receipts and he has the track record to show for his successes which very few PUAs.

I do not get what is so complicated here.

If you want to hate JAL, hate him. You cannot debate, however, that there are a ton of scammers in the community who need to be called out so newer guys do not get misled. I mean imagine taking advice from Sasha Daygame or Berba. We need someone who is going to let the world know of the guys that do not deserve to have any clout in the community. What he said about Rollo and Sharpe was much needed because who are these guys to give anyone advice?

 

[Stanley]

Can we just allow people to be happy?

This judgy gossipy sort of content reeks of the feminine to me and is far removed from any semblance of 'Don Juan' behavior.

Why care about this? What is there to gain?

I simply don't get it.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

Can we just allow people to be happy?

This judgy gossipy sort of content reeks of the feminine to me and is far removed from any semblance of 'Don Juan' behavior.

Why care about this? What is there to gain?

I simply don't get it.

Yah, there's no practical value to getting emotionally invested in guru warz. End of day they're just dudes on screens. Some of em have good ideas and I've always tried different stuff and kept what works for me, discard the rest. Don't care whose girl is fugly, I'm out for me and I don't pay $ for advice anyway.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

If you want to hate JAL, hate him. You cannot debate, however, that there are a ton of scammers in the community who need to be called out so newer guys do not get misled. I mean imagine taking advice from Sasha Daygame or Berba. We need someone who is going to let the world know of the guys that do not deserve to have any clout in the community. What he said about Rollo and Sharpe was much needed because who are these guys to give anyone advice?

No hate here. What matters is the tech. Does it work. Receipts can be a scam too. Gay men w/zero receipts can tell you better game tactics to use on chicks than a lot of PUAs.

I don't elevate these guys but don't hate either. Only care about what works vs. what doesn't. No deities.

 

[AureliusMaximus]

I know John Anthony Lifestyle is a controversial figure but I do think he has a good point. Why should those of us who wish to date and sleep with beautiful women take advice from "gurus" that can't get one themselves. People cope too much when they say "well average girls have better personalities". In my experience, that is BS. Whether you disagree with me or not, I just thought that this reveal was very telling.

To be honest I do not understand why people post these shyte post as it brings nothing real of value to the community.

There is several threads here complaining why and how quality has degraded and why the posts are not on the same level as when older guys of the PUA community started like Pook, Rollo and others from that time period etc. where active here in the late 90'tes/ early 2000'nds.

Why not post the same high quality content that relates to 2023 --> instead which help members improve instead of this low value information?

 

[MatureDJ]

LOL @ the reactions on this thread bro.

For one, no, hot girls do not magically have worse personalities, that is cope.

Second, John Anthony Lifestyle is a 6'4 white dude with blue eyes, by that raw potential alone he slays. Then add to that the guy is known for slaying and doing well even amongst people that hate him. PUAs he has beefed with have said they hate him but his game gets results.

Yes, I'd put him in at least lower-Chad tier; he'd be even higher if had a more chiseled face.

 

[Murk]

He is not wrong. But I find it funny that this chubby dude is broadcasting his words of wisdom from (literally) a closet and has a girl who is quite obviously a hired escort pretending to be his girlfriend.

I thought the same 100% a brass (escort). The guy also has some weird infection on his top lip/no lip, which made it very difficult to look at him. If he is 6'4 I can believe he can get girls but 1500... where would you even find the time? He's probably counting escorts to his notch count (which I don't think you should do).

 

[Bokanovsky]

He's probably counting escorts to his notch count (which I don't think you should do).

And then multiplies his score by a factor of 100.

 

[characternote]

he's clearly got bad game, but he's very tall with blue eyes so i'm sure he's gotten laid some either in the Vegas party scene or where he now lives in Brazil etc. There's nothing he can 'teach' someone though. (other than get taller and game in places where it's easier or your value is higher etc since he dismisses outergame)

And yes, I'd imagine it's more like 100 lays as opposed to 2000 or whatever he's currently claiming (it seems to go up by about 10 in each weekly vid lol)

Just in case someone has no idea who this guy is, I linked an infield from one of his paid products to give you an idea. Most people say it's one of his better/less cringe infields

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