Danica Patrick races poorly and instead of owning it - blames the car

[Trader]

Danica Patrick races poorly and of course she blames it on the car and her crew.

The funny thing is, fans boo her for her comment and she complains: 'Why am I getting booed for being confident?'

http://www.jimrome.com/videos?uri=channels/383728/905786


I think we all know that girls cannot take responsibilty for their actions - they will blame others.

I have accepted this as part of the makeup of girls. Girls are children at heart - accept it, adjust your expectations for girls accordingly, and move on.

Danger - this is what I am talking about when I say I have higher expectations for men than for children, I mean girls.

 

[RMM]

Trader,

How do you think women will respond when they realize that men are held more accountable than they are for situations in which the woman played an equal or greater role?

They'll call you a patriarchal pig and bring up the burden of carrying babies?

 

[boomerick]

She's the Anna Kournikova of motorsports. All looks -- no talent.

But.....she'll continue to drive and be sponsered heavily as long as she looks good in her underware......and better male drivers will struggle to get a ride.

Over and Out.

 

[Trader]

I think we all know that girls cannot take responsibilty for their actions - they will blame others.

I have accepted this as part of the makeup of girls. Girls are children at heart - accept it, adjust your expectations for girls accordingly, and move on.

Danger - this is what I am talking about when I say I have higher expectations for men than for children, I mean girls.

Trader,

How do you think women will respond when they realize that men are held more accountable than they are for situations in which the woman played an equal or greater role?

Women already know that men are held more accountable for situations which both parties are to blame (i.e. marital infidelity) At least in the Western Society, men have always been held more accountable. So how will women respond? Just look around you.

Danger, my question to you remains the same: 'How can you agree with me that men are the leaders, and then disagree with me when I say men should be held more accountable?'

A leader by definition calls the shots, and of course his head also ends up on the guillotine for making a bad decision.

 

[Lexington]

Danica Patrick is a joke. She shouldn't even be in Indy. There are plenty of more qualified drivers out there. All the attention she gets is based on looks. How many races has she won in her career? Hell, there are better women drivers out there!

 

[squirrels]

Another example of what I've been saying on pretty much every thread I've bothered to post on for the last month or two.

Attractive women don't HAVE to work hard for ANYTHING. Their mere presence is enough to generate value, in that they are coveted and create drama due to being "unobtainable".

Danica is a perfect example. She isn't fast enough to win. She hasn't HAD to be. Her mere presence is enough to draw throngs of chumpish men to the sport to drool over how "hot" she is.

Men allow attractive women to get away with not developing talent, with not developing personality, with not developing character...because men in today's society are content to just have a woman look good and create drama. Based on this, attractive women are given the WORLD for free.

All they need to do is demand it and it is given, out of FEAR that if it is not given, these men will never have a chance to have sexual relations with these women.

But even if they DO give it, the women they covet are STILL not attracted to them, so they'll never get it anyway. For the chump, the mere tension created by sexual drama is an acceptable substitute for actual sex.

THAT right there is at the core of most men's socio-sexual issues. They are willing to accept sexual tension and drama as a poor substitute for actual romantic/sexual encounters. Many don't have enough confidence in their own self-worth to BELIEVE that they deserve to have sex with women, not realizing that women's sexuality is only worth the value that men give to it.

I'm going on a rant here, so I'll stop. Bottom-line...once you see through the game, you realize that 'tang isn't worth nearly as much as you thought it was when you DIDN'T understand the game.

 

[bish0p]

Damn, she's really not even all that hot...I'd do her, but still....

 

[hansol]

So we agree that women will take advantage of the situation in which men are held more accountable?

In regards to your second question....

If there is one thing that the Nuremburg trials taught us, it is that "I was following orders" is not a defense. The soldier, sargeant, or officer who commits murder is just as guilty as the leader that ordered it. Both genders have equal capacity to differentiate right from wrong, regardless of who is the leader. Both genders should be treated as such.

Mentally-incompetent people aren't fit to stand trial. Think of women that way, and it all starts to make sense.

 

[hansol]

Oh don't get me wrong. Absolutely they should "suffer the consequences" like you say. The difference is that a woman won't understand or grasp the "why" of the situation. She won't (refuses to?) see it like it is, and instead will use a perverse form of rationalization that makes sense to her, while leaving everyone else wondering "Wtf are you smoking...?"

 

[Trader]

So does that mean when your woman cheats, you should stay with her and say, well it was the man's fault? She can't help herself?

If women are mentally competent enough to manipulate men to their advantage, which they definitely are.....then they are certainly competent enough to be expected to make adult decisions and suffer the consquences of their actions.

Danger - I've said it before, I've said it again, both the guy and the girl are at fault, and yes I would send her to the guillotine.

But, if you ask me: 'Well, how do you PREVENT wives from cheating on their husbands?' I would say that it is almost futile to solve the problem by getting girls to resist temptation, Eve couldn't, and girls find it difficult today. Men are the solution to the problem, you have to get men to be leaders and stand up for something.

You can't just say: 'Well, I want girls to stop cheating and then I will stop.' No, it doesn't work that way. Men have to lead by example, which means doing the right thing even when girls are doing the wrong thing.

 

[Warrior74]

I guess she never heard the saying, "It's a poor carpenter who blames his tools", and "its a poor commander who blames his troops."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP2aoPmHwic

It's been said in other articles that other male racers have made statements such as "it was loose in the turns" or "we have some work to do". But the difference is that they don't outright blame their team for the loss. As the frontman for the team, she has to walk that line between stating the truth and taking the blame. You can't be the driver aka frontman for the team and garner all of the praise and accept none of the blame. It's unsportsmanlike and thats the part she doesn't understand. You are on the team, so blaming the crew is poor form, you live or die together.

 

[mrRuckus]

Men have to lead by example, which means doing the right thing even when girls are doing the wrong thing.

No thanks. I have enough to worry about rather than handicapping myself by becoming a martyr.

Sucks, but the momentum is too high to keep us from this abyss.

 

[Stagger Lee]

I have to agree with Danger. Trader, the problem with your reasoning even if you accept you are right is that the solution is a societal one and is not actionable by an individual man. The predominate social view would have to be that women are exptected to do a,b,c and if not the consequences are x,y,z. While I believe women lack accountability by nature, I still think they have the ability to make choices and are responsible for their choices. Society is telling both geners to do the opposite of what's best. And the opposite of a lot of things we believe in this forum. Women could behave better and choose differently without men forcing them to.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Another example of what I've been saying on pretty much every thread I've bothered to post on for the last month or two.

Attractive women don't HAVE to work hard for ANYTHING. Their mere presence is enough to generate value, in that they are coveted and create drama due to being "unobtainable".

Danica is a perfect example. She isn't fast enough to win. She hasn't HAD to be. Her mere presence is enough to draw throngs of chumpish men to the sport to drool over how "hot" she is.

Men allow attractive women to get away with not developing talent, with not developing personality, with not developing character...because men in today's society are content to just have a woman look good and create drama. Based on this, attractive women are given the WORLD for free.

All they need to do is demand it and it is given, out of FEAR that if it is not given, these men will never have a chance to have sexual relations with these women.

But even if they DO give it, the women they covet are STILL not attracted to them, so they'll never get it anyway. For the chump, the mere tension created by sexual drama is an acceptable substitute for actual sex.

THAT right there is at the core of most men's socio-sexual issues. They are willing to accept sexual tension and drama as a poor substitute for actual romantic/sexual encounters. Many don't have enough confidence in their own self-worth to BELIEVE that they deserve to have sex with women, not realizing that women's sexuality is only worth the value that men give to it.

I'm going on a rant here, so I'll stop. Bottom-line...once you see through the game, you realize that 'tang isn't worth nearly as much as you thought it was when you DIDN'T understand the game.

While I agree that women largely can show up (providing they are hot enough) and that can suffice in many economic areas (I can think of a tennis player whose name I can't remember who played for years without a win, but was still a significant draw), and knowing this can significantly improve your mindset, I don't believe they are given the world for "free."

One thing to keep in mind is for every Dana whatsher name, there are countless fat war pigs that only draw the attention of barely desirable men.

And even for those cream of the crop winners of the genetic draw, they know in the back of their mind their clock, their age, is ticking. It's only a matter of time until their worth plummets to zero.

Men, on the other hand, although we are more responsible, and must work harder to achieve the same results, are in much more control of our fates.

Many experiments have shown that the removal of choice can have a drastic and debilitating effect on an organism.

For what these hotties are seemingly getting for free, they are giving up something that I think is far more valuable.

The ability to try and fail as a man, learn from your mistakes, and get better the next time.

Give me free choice over a free ride any day.

 

[Trader]

While I agree that women largely can show up (providing they are hot enough) and that can suffice in many economic areas (I can think of a tennis player whose name I can't remember who played for years without a win, but was still a significant draw), and knowing this can significantly improve your mindset, I don't believe they are given the world for "free."

You are thinking of Anna Kournikova - the Russian tennis beauty.

One thing to keep in mind is for every Dana whatsher name, there are countless fat war pigs that only draw the attention of barely desirable men.

And even for those cream of the crop winners of the genetic draw, they know in the back of their mind their clock, their age, is ticking. It's only a matter of time until their worth plummets to zero.

Yes - and girls are indeed subtlely aware of this.

Men, on the other hand, although we are more responsible, and must work harder to achieve the same results, are in much more control of our fates.

Many experiments have shown that the removal of choice can have a drastic and debilitating effect on an organism.

For what these hotties are seemingly getting for free, they are giving up something that I think is far more valuable.

The ability to try and fail as a man, learn from your mistakes, and get better the next time.

Give me free choice over a free ride any day.

Guys and girls - each have their own distinct role to play in nature's grand scheme. I don't think you can say that it's *better* to be a guy, or a girl. I know you didn't say that - but I just want to make sure that point gets across.

The bottom line is, if you are a girl - embrace the role assigned to you and stop trying to be a guy. And if you are a guy - man up and stop complaining about how girls *have it easy.*

 

[jophil28]

What I am most concerned with, is that I will not tolerate such behavior, and thus I will punish a woman as appropriate to her level of transgressions. LIke all animals, she will respond to behavioral training.

Danger, I wish that you were right about her "responding to behavioral training" -however I have been involved with women who were immune to such training .

Their response was to either --

1. Leave the relationship because they truly believed (in their delusion)that the drama the they had caused was somehow not their fault and that my holding her to account for her action was "abusive " on my part. This is a favorite reaction of the "helping professions" who just love the latest jargon buzz.

2. Appear to accept accountability and act differently for a few weeks, but eventually backslide into her old ways.

3. Create endless arguements with me to rationalize her appaling behavior and attempt to slide 'fault' across to me in her bizarre and distorted version of reality . This tactic is usually acompanied by a 'behind the scenes' campaign by her to shore up support for her arguements from her girlfriends who are fed a twisted version to events. OF course, she accused me of being "controlling, possessive, demanding and ...abusive". ( BTW in 'womanspeek' the word "abusive" is now used to describe any action by a man which does not please her )

 

[backbreaker]

Another example of what I've been saying on pretty much every thread I've bothered to post on for the last month or two.

Attractive women don't HAVE to work hard for ANYTHING. Their mere presence is enough to generate value, in that they are coveted and create drama due to being "unobtainable".

Danica is a perfect example. She isn't fast enough to win. She hasn't HAD to be. Her mere presence is enough to draw throngs of chumpish men to the sport to drool over how "hot" she is.

Men allow attractive women to get away with not developing talent, with not developing personality, with not developing character...because men in today's society are content to just have a woman look good and create drama. Based on this, attractive women are given the WORLD for free.

All they need to do is demand it and it is given, out of FEAR that if it is not given, these men will never have a chance to have sexual relations with these women.

But even if they DO give it, the women they covet are STILL not attracted to them, so they'll never get it anyway. For the chump, the mere tension created by sexual drama is an acceptable substitute for actual sex.

THAT right there is at the core of most men's socio-sexual issues. They are willing to accept sexual tension and drama as a poor substitute for actual romantic/sexual encounters. Many don't have enough confidence in their own self-worth to BELIEVE that they deserve to have sex with women, not realizing that women's sexuality is only worth the value that men give to it.

I'm going on a rant here, so I'll stop. Bottom-line...once you see through the game, you realize that 'tang isn't worth nearly as much as you thought it was when you DIDN'T understand the game.

(jumps in the isle)

PREACH IT BROTHA!!!


which tells me that in general... America needs a collective orgasm. my god guys, it's a leg. it's a tit. it's not a golden calf.

america just needs to get it's rocks off. i'm joking but not really if that makes sense.


There is a jockey in socal, actually knows my fiancee quite well named chantel sutherland. ass licking hot. I mean people 50 most beautiful people hot

http://maidenking.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/chantal41.jpg
http://www.cxhkir.com/english/hkir2009/images/chantal06.jpg
http://www.breederscup.com/content/sutherland_200_081005.jpg


And she's not a diva either.. extremely down to earth which makes her even hotter. she's not very stuck on herself.

Regardless, I would not wager on a horse she was in in a one horse race. okay she's not that bad actually.. she's not horrible at all... she's actually one of the better jockies in canada (She comes down here for the winter and leaves for Canada, but she's moving down here for good this year as she's getting hitched this summer) but she's not "i should be riding in socal which is where the best jockies in the country ride" good. nowhere near.

anything she gets on i literary just cross out and rarely does she prove me wrong. she's not strong enough, her timing on turf is god awful and she flat out refuses to use the rail. if she can't win by swooping past everyone you can forget it. in races that are won by inches more times than not 10-20 feet is a big deal.

Anyway, she gets mounts. lots of them. she comes down here for 3 months a year, 4 months actually and takes mounts from jockies that are better than her, becuase she's who she is. basically, the sexual tension. i mean she doesn't really try but if she were butt ugly trainers would be turning her away left and right. If you were to judge her strickly on her merits she would be not riding down here. And in a sense she has used her sex appeal to make a name forself as she's marrying mike smith (jockey of zenyatta). MOre peopel give a **** about her relationships than they do her riding skills in horse racing.

There is another female jockey on the other side of the country,actually is just 22 years old, ANNA NAPRAVNIK, who can ****ing ride a 3 legged horse and somehow win. extremely talanted, fearless and i mean FEARLESS.. is one of the leading riders in new york the biggest circut in the country and doing it by getting nice priced horses, not even money chalk horses. while she's not ugly at all, s he's not smokin hot either. doesn't get anywhere near the attention.

I talked about megyn kelly earlier and i brought her up for a reason. If you can get past her killer legs and that million dollar smile, the woman is a freaking laywer. she's extremely,extremely intelligent. but you know what.. men really don't give a ****. those are hall of famesque legs she has.

So I think my point is, even if Danica was good.. would we really give a **** as a collective whole? As a woman it's almost damn near impossible to be judged on your merits and merits alone.

hell even when chantel does win a race, which is, a rare feet lol, they will interview her and no one gives a ****. they want to talk about her engagement or her latest photo shot or some ****. when people talk about anna rose (the ny girl that is 22) the first thing people will say or one of them is say "nah she's not my type".. (for the record i'd hit.. but that's not the point).. does it really matter.. we say women get by on their looks but **** we are just as guilty. All we give a **** about is the looks, not the package.

 

[Trader]

I talked about megyn kelly earlier and i brought her up for a reason. If you can get past her killer legs and that million dollar smile, the woman is a freaking laywer. she's extremely,extremely intelligent. but you know what.. men really don't give a ****. those are hall of famesque legs she has.

So I think my point is, even if Danica was good.. would we really give a **** as a collective whole? As a woman it's almost damn near impossible to be judged on your merits and merits alone.

I agree - we will always pay attention to a girl's looks as well, and not just her merits alone

hell even when chantel does win a race, which is, a rare feet lol, they will interview her and no one gives a ****. they want to talk about her engagement or her latest photo shot or some ****. when people talk about anna rose (the ny girl that is 22) the first thing people will say or one of them is say "nah she's not my type".. (for the record i'd hit.. but that's not the point).. does it really matter.. we say women get by on their looks but **** we are just as guilty. All we give a **** about is the looks, not the package.

We are guilty...of what? Men are always going to judge girls on looks first, and character second, and in a distant distant third place, her intelligence, and achievements

But what is wrong with that? The tone of your post seems to be that of disgust.

What are you going to tell me next, that girls are guilty for ranking a guy's money way ahead of a guy's *niceness*? Again, girls are guilty of what...guilty of being a girl?

You see where I am going with this

 

[backbreaker]

not at all trader.

I make no bones about how I judge women. But all I'm saying is that we look at danica and say she had all this stuff given to her becuase she's hot and she can't ride.


What I'm saying is that men encourge it. That's not bad, it's not good, it just is. Chantel and Danica would not be at the top of their collective sports if we did not flower them with the attention that they get, so I do not think it's fair to look at a woman and say hey she did not earn it... she earned it by looking good in a thong.

 

[jophil28]

What I'm saying is that men encourge it. That's not bad, it's not good, it just is. Chantel and Danica would not be at the top of their collective sports if we did not flower them with the attention that they get, so I do not think it's fair to look at a woman and say hey she did not earn it... she earned it by looking good in a thong.

Agreed...In a way we cannot blame women for believing that their Hotness is their most valuable asset. Men stare at HB's as if they were movie stars. We fawn over them, entertain them over expensive dinners and feel priviledged if they give us a second date. Hot women know that their professional skills or their PHd diissertion is not going to get them where they want to be, so they self-promote by accentuating those physical qualities which have the highest market value. This 'value' is the value that we men give.

If men highly valued women's intellectual prowess over their attractiveness ,women would rapidly become smarter and plainer..