Create high value for yourself, not others!!!

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CREATE HIGH VALUE FOR YOURSELF NOT OTHERS!!!

I have had these thoughts for awhile. Somewhere along the line a difficult realization became apparent to me.

It doesn’t matter what you do for yourself to create value, she still might not care!

Obviously we all want to succeed in life, but make sure you are doing it in a way that isn’t just to compete with others or impress others. Do it because it is something you think is worthwhile to do.

So the whole story about this?

There are so many posts on this board about different hobbies, or things to do to pick up women. Things such as playing guitar, working out, and many other cool hobbies might seem impressive to women but I can tell you that even with your game together it might not workout.

I finally broke it down to the fact that in the end many of the things I have done in life were directly in line with seeking approval from others or trying to impress others. I even remember taking vacations and I couldn’t wait to tell friends about it. It was almost like I was living certain experiences just for the story I could tell about them later to friends!

While this has led me to do a lot of great exciting things, it has really led me to either a revelation or a complete breakdown!

Why is it a guy can be completely successful in almost every area of his life and be a man of high value yet a woman doesn’t value it? Well there are so many reasons, of course needy behavior can cancel out any apparent value a guy has.

After my last couple of breakups I felt really cracked.

I have 3 college degrees
I play guitar
I workout
I have a job at one of the most prestigious places in the world.

Yet none of this inihibited a woman from breaking up with me.

In the end, I did all these things for my best interest. But to expect them to impress a girl and to expect a girl to see high value is something I will never do again.

In the end I was selfish. To me high value in a girl was a pretty face, a nice ass and a vagina that was open for business. Did I create the poor relationships? In the end I have to say yes. I didn’t screen the girls enough.

I like to take personal responsibility for everything in my life. Now with flaky women I cant take responsibility for their actions, but I can take responsibility for me failing to see they were flaky up to the end.

I’ll admit to this point I was an arrogant egotistical guy who felt that no women could provide me with any more value than I could provide them. In my mind I was always the rescuer.

Now it’s forever changed. I don’t expect a woman to be impressed by my resume, credentials or looks. I know they will be attracted initially but anymore I really don’t care what they think. From now on I will do a better job screening. Being shallow in the end doesn’t serve us. Being proactive will.

I think eventually I’ll be ready to date again. Hell right now for some strange reason I lost interest in sex. My disgust with the opposite sex has been uncontrollable. As a result I pretty much say what I want to any women. And it’s starting to attract new women, no surprise.

Don’t expect anything to impress a woman anymore. Do **** because you want to do it. Do stuff that betters you.

Furthermore, don’t worry about competing with people. Compete with yourself instead. If you set goals and metrics with yourself in mind you can only better yourself and doing this daily will ensure you surpass 99% of the people out there who are worried about petty problems. The more I focus on this the better off I am.

And Ayn Rand still had it wrong. Don’t live for any man, live for yourself is one of her famous quotes. Well this just doesn’t work for me. I am happiest when I help others because I have been very fortunate in life. I think everyone will be because there are people who need help out there.

But no longer will I be the savior of destitute women.

A recent post discussed the idea of how romantic love has been written up and sold to us and is responsible for many of the feelings of heartbreak. I agree. We have become a codependent society. It isn’t healthy. I still want it but don’t need it.

Another revelation came to me as being 31 years old now. One of my best friends got married at 21. Well for these 10 years I have been single. I’ve survived and can continue to survive single. I do want kids one day but there is no hurry. If you compare his life and mine I’ve had some great things happen that he hasn’t been able to experience. He’s stuck in the same job and place. He sometimes complains of his marriage but overall is happy. Which life is better? Who is to say, but I’m in mine now.

I love friends, family and everyone. But no longer will I be needy or even worry about impressing people. As long as I can impress myself and look back everyday with pride in myself that’s all that matters.

Finally although I’ve posted it before, I’ll post it again. Nothing ever summarized it to me as well.

Rudyard Kipling
If
If
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!
 

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Hey Ricky, I lurk most of the time but have been noticing that you've been doing some venting. Seems as if your writing is doing some reaffirming for yourself. Good work and I completely agree with this:

Furthermore, don’t worry about competing with people. Compete with yourself instead.
I've always tried to follow this knowing that I'm very strict about improving myself to begin with. I enjoy reading and posting about becoming a better man just as much as the dating stuff and believe that if we get that stuff right, the ladies will fall right into line.

Perfect example: I got outta work late tonight and we have a bar on the lower level so I just kinda walked through to check it out. I've really been working on my posture and hittin the gym so I guess I kinda strutted my way on in, made my presence felt and turned around to notice a cutie shift her body towards me and take a nice, long look at my jock. :D Now obviously this was a physical thing, but I'm seeing that women, and people in general will notice a man who works on himself-the outside shows first but the other goods come out as well.
 

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ricky

i think you are going through an important catharthis

( not unlike the one I am going through)

the need to get approval is very deeply rooted in all of us

been there; heck AM THERE ;-)

and with women its worse because; lets admit it;

it IS nice to have a girl snuggle up and look at you with that deep in love kinda look ? huh ?

you gotta find a sound balance between appreciating approval and being dependent of approval

its kinda like; you dont care how people you pass on the street think of you, right ?

you choose who you would like to like you

some will - some wont period.

i have gotten a lot of help going online dating, because I was terrible with rejection

now it still 'aches' whenever a good looking girl replies -sorry not interested- but I grow stronger with each rejection

afterall it was just a picture ! she might have had whatever bad qualities that would have made me dump her ASAP

ricky; i think that the rejection part is the key issue

but remember that the more involved you get with a woman rejection WILL hurt

you mission, Ricky, should you choose to accept it, is to keep your own identity, self-esteem, values and know all the way during a relationship that you like her / her being in love with you, but that it most likely will end and that that is ok and that an end has nothing whatsoever to do with you and your qualities

/ scordate
 

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Exactly I have had this tough balance between taking personal responsibility for everything in my life including other peoples actions and reactions to me, which we realize we may be able to influence but not control.

I won't allow my emotions to be controlled by anyone other than myself. I think that is step 1.

That doesn't mean I will close myself off from the world, or even be a Pollyanna guy. I will work my ass off just as always but I will be fun and the type of guy I want to be.

Who is that ideal guy you want to be? I continually decide who I want to be.

It was tough after this last breakup because everyone said forget her, and work on yourself. I have been working on serious self improvement the last few years. It almost made me think I had to improve myself more.

I think there is a tendency to blame too much on the guy nowadays. I see that with alot of postings here. There is an implicit assumption that the guy did something wrong.

COULD IT BE THAT SOME OF THE WOMEN OUT THERE HAVEN"T DONE AS MUCH WORK TO IMPROVE THEMSELVES AS WE HAVE.

I say a resounding YES. There are so many women out there with self confidence issues. If they flake on you, is it because you are at fault? I THINK NOT.

My ex said she was taking the easy way out. The easy way out was not moving to be with me. She was, but now I can't blame her. Even though I know I am worth it, she would have had to make serious changes in her life. She is averse to change, she is not the risk taker I am, and she doesn't have the career opportunities I do. In the end she would have LIMITED me just by being along for the ride. Believe me I know this is true because at least one of my brothers is in a marriage this way.

I take no responsibility for it other than the fact that I fell for her a little too quickly and didn't screen her enough. I made an investment all too quickly in her.

I AM ON THE VERGE OF A BREAKTHROUGH. A woman at work said I was a bit like her ex husband in that I always need a woman in my life. Or she said he felt he was nothing without a woman.

To me it wasn't that, it was more that I felt I was missing a piece of the puzzle without the woman.

For the last 4 years I have always had some woman in my life. This is the longest I've went without a woman in that time.

The weird part is I don't want a relationship or dating or anything right now. It's a bit scary but it just might be the breakthrough I've needed all my life.

Instead of retreating into my shell forever though, I'm completely shattering it and going to live LIMITLESS. I hope we can all do this.

I have lost the need for approval. I am more assertive and confident at work and outside of it. I am not arrogant, but I have full belief in myself and will only accept the best out of myself and for myself.
 

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Originally posted by Ricky



Rudyard Kipling
If
If
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son! [/B]
Very insightful quote. Expectations every man should strive for.
 

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Originally posted by Ricky


It doesn’t matter what you do for yourself to create value, she still might not care!


I have 3 college degrees
I play guitar
I workout
I have a job at one of the most prestigious places in the world.

Yet none of this inihibited a woman from breaking up with me.



3 degrees just meet a requirement of ebig en educated man.
It doesn't guarantee she'll like you.

Guitar can help you kill the time with her, so she wont be too bored. Doesn't it guarantee anything?

A job. - it is an attraction, yes. But when you are in a relationship, what matters is how you are willing to share: yourself, your money (i.e. you job), your time... By itself a good job adds some attraction, but does it guarantee stable relationship?

I am just wondering.. why dont you concentrate on the reasons of the breakups? What was the al about?
 

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I guess I have such a hard time sometimes wondering how a girl could turn her back on me when I have so much to offer. There are tons of other guys on here like me too that really work on themselves are great and I see how they get kicked around by women they have come to love and trust. It isnt right.

It is almost sad for me and it affirms the fact that you could be Bill Gates with the money, Michael Jordan with the athletics and health, Brad Pitt with the looks and still not find a girl that will hang with you for the long run.

They will have sex with you be great for a while then split at the first sign of tough times.

My thought on it is that woman today are a bit spoiled and weak.

Now this sounds a bit hypocritical since I can show weakness at times as well. Hell I"m emotional. But it's because I expect more out of people than they can provide.

Thats why I'm taking all faith out of women to offer me any value. I won't be needy. I don't need them to be complete anymore.
 

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Originally posted by Ricky
I guess I have such a hard time sometimes wondering how a girl could turn her back on me when I have so much to offer. There are tons of other guys on here like me too that really work on themselves are great and I see how they get kicked around by women they have come to love and trust. It isnt right.

It is almost sad for me and it affirms the fact that you could be Bill Gates with the money, Michael Jordan with the athletics and health, Brad Pitt with the looks and still not find a girl that will hang with you for the long run.

They will have sex with you be great for a while then split at the first sign of tough times.

My thought on it is that woman today are a bit spoiled and weak.
Yes, they are very spolied.

Yes, even having lots of money doens't guarantee she'll be loyal.

Lets think WHY it is so....
These days women dont care that much about survival: they have a job (any job), some money to get food and clothes....she can raise a kid without a man. No problem.
So they are spoiled.

If a guy have tons of money it is an attraction of course.. but only at first. Next step is "How is he willing to share it with her?" - thats all women think..
"What is it in him for me?"
"Is he generous?"
"Is he fun\entertaining?"
"Does he look like somebody I can show off with?"

Ricky,
Why did you split up? Are you saying that it was mainly due to you being more needy than you had to be?
 

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The distance was 90% of it although she was ready to move up here for a while at first and changed her mind.

Oh well. I am investing very little time in her now. I think of getting her back, but we communicate only very rarely now and i'm guessing soon it will be not at all.

There are some reasons I could keep her as a professional contact for jobs, which is the role she was in for me initially, but I'm finding that I really don't need her for that either as I've found tremendous opportunities based on my own resume.
 

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Originally posted by Ricky
The distance was 90% of it although she was ready to move up here for a while at first and changed her mind.

Oh well. I am investing very little time in her now. I think of getting her back, but we communicate only very rarely now and i'm guessing soon it will be not at all.

Ricky,

if she has a decent job, family where she is now... it is really a big deal for he to move "up here" with you. She probably would like some solid promise of exclusivity from you. Which I assume you didn't give her at that moment.
She wants you all: your job, you money, your time... and she wants stability, i.e. she wants to be sure you are not gona dump her or share your resources with some other gals.

It is very business like - if you dont give her a solid promise, she''s gone and looks for other "company".
I think it is a good idea to analyze this, the situation and why it happened. If you alreay done that, next time you will know what to do and what not to do.

Moreover, the most efficient way of getting over it is to forget about her completely (you probably heard that already).
What steps do you do in order to overcome this situation?

When I was dumped I felt like "I dont want anything": food is not tasty anymore, sleep is not sweet...alcohol is not strong enough...
 

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Originally posted by Ricky
I guess I have such a hard time sometimes wondering how a girl could turn her back on me when I have so much to offer. There are tons of other guys on here like me too that really work on themselves are great and I see how they get kicked around by women they have come to love and trust. It isnt right.
Sheesh...Ricky please stop..........I'm about to fvcking puke and I just dusted my desk.

Why do you care? This chick is history. I thought I already wrote to you about this broad. She has moved on and is sucking other **** for sure. That may be tough to hear but ya gotta deal with reality man. Don't be an idiot like me, learn from my mistakes, PLEASE!

Cut her loose, she is not deserving of your attention. Go get ya another chick, or just do what I do and don't give a damn whether you have a steady girl or not. This will bring them to you in droves if you play it right, to the point of being annoying infact.

Take a gutcheck man. Good Luck.

--Crowes
 

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I second what crowes22 says. 2 years ago, I had my 4 year LTR leave the state without any discussion. I gave it my best as an AFC, but it didn't work. I take full blame. Found seduction techniques and started becoming a player. I still have a long way to go, but I've been having the time of my life, while single for 2 years. Did things most guys only dream about.

My entire adult life (I'm 43), I was always looking for that one women that could fulfill all my desires for human interaction. Never could find her. Until I do, if ever, I fulfill my desires with more than one woman.

I have not given up on having an exclusive LTR, but if I allow it to happen, she will pass very tough screens, be a positive person and I will remain in control of the relationship.
 
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