Coach EO: do NOT (spam) approach women!

[Gamisch]

One of my favorite dating coaches. His take seems kinda controversial from a RP pov.

@We_ArE_VeNOM ,wanna know your opinion.

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[SW15]

One of the highest notch count guys I know was a spam approacher in nightlife venues with average to below average openers.

Why did he put up so many notches?

He is a 6'4" guy and looked the part that boujee/yuppie White women desire. He also happened to do most of his approaching in bars with boujee/yuppie White women. He would do his approaches later in the night on Fri/Sat nights, starting around 11:30 PM - 12 AM and going until closing time, he got to leave the venue with someone, or he had to settle for a phone number/possible future first date.

In his case, his looks were the best thing going for him. Additionally, he understood he possessed a look/persona that was desirable to boujee White women. He understood their fantasies of his type and played to that aspect of their desires.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

One of my favorite dating coaches. His take seems kinda controversial from a RP pov.

@We_ArE_VeNOM ,wanna know your opinion.

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I am vaguely familiar with Everette.

I used to follow MrLocario heavy a while ago and he once interviewed Everette on his channel.

Everette is one of the smoothest white boys in the game.

Mad respect.

I appreciates what he brings to the table as far as his life coaching (for guys that need it), similar to that of Marquette Burton (the Saint and the Sinner).

However, I am critical of anyone who sh!ts on cold approaching..for example..dude said in the video..

*I'm paraphrasing*

"If you are on your purpose, doing dope sh!t, women will notice you".

He is basically advising guys not to focus on women and instead focus on their purpose in life and if they do that, the women will come.

Life and dating coach Alpha Male Strategies share those same sentiments.

I do not disagree with that advice in theory, but I do disagree with it in practice.

My advice is, DO BOTH.

While you are working on your purpose in life, you can still pursue women you find attractive in the meantime.

One does not have to negate the other, unless you have problems walking and chewing gum at the same time.
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I saw one of Everette's videos where he shared a story on him cold approaching a woman, but in the end it wound up being nothing more than a empty compliment.

And I am against empty compliments.

I agree with the video in theory, but not in practice.

Me and him have fundamental disagreements.

But I would still recommend him to others.

 

[Gamisch]

I am vaguely familiar with Everette.

I used to follow MrLocario heavy a while ago and he once interviewed Everette on his channel.

Everette is one of the smoothest white boys in the game.

Mad respect.

I appreciates what he brings to the table as far as his life coaching (for guys that need it), similar to that of Marquette Burton (the Saint and the Sinner).

However, I am critical of anyone who sh!ts on cold approaching..for example..dude said in the video..

*I'm paraphrasing*

"If you are on your purpose, doing dope sh!t, women will notice you".

He is basically advising guys not to focus on women and instead focus on their purpose in life and if they do that, the women will come.

Life and dating coach Alpha Male Strategies share those same sentiments.

I do not disagree with that advice in theory, but I do disagree with it in practice.

My advice is, DO BOTH.

While you are working on your purpose in life, you can still pursue women you find attractive in the meantime.

One does not have to negate the other, unless you have problems walking and chewing gum at the same time.
........

I saw one of Everette's videos where he shared a story on him cold approaching a woman, but in the end it wound up being nothing more than a empty compliment.

And I am against empty compliments.

I agree with the video in theory, but not in practice.

Me and him have fundamental disagreements.

But I would still recommend him to others.

Thanks, I appreciate your response bro!

 

[Gamisch]

I am vaguely familiar with Everette.

I used to follow MrLocario heavy a while ago and he once interviewed Everette on his channel.

Everette is one of the smoothest white boys in the game.

Mad respect.

I appreciates what he brings to the table as far as his life coaching (for guys that need it), similar to that of Marquette Burton (the Saint and the Sinner).

However, I am critical of anyone who sh!ts on cold approaching..for example..dude said in the video..

*I'm paraphrasing*

"If you are on your purpose, doing dope sh!t, women will notice you".

He is basically advising guys not to focus on women and instead focus on their purpose in life and if they do that, the women will come.

Life and dating coach Alpha Male Strategies share those same sentiments.

I do not disagree with that advice in theory, but I do disagree with it in practice.

My advice is, DO BOTH.

While you are working on your purpose in life, you can still pursue women you find attractive in the meantime.

One does not have to negate the other, unless you have problems walking and chewing gum at the same time.
........

I saw one of Everette's videos where he shared a story on him cold approaching a woman, but in the end it wound up being nothing more than a empty compliment.

And I am against empty compliments.

I agree with the video in theory, but not in practice.

Me and him have fundamental disagreements.

But I would still recommend him to others.

The problem, and at the same time charming about AMS is that he isn't afrair to switch up his socalled "vision " on the game. I kinda understand him , as I also did what he calls "spamming mall approaches ". It's basically the equivalent of an approach bootcamp as in it teaches you how to approach, and like you say, that a successful approach can be done within a minute.

So someone like AMS went from hoodlum to "HVM " , completely different path then a vanilla dude from the suburbs who wants to learn game when he's 35. AMS and EO tell their crowd to do it like them, but not many men are as much developed and sophisticated around women as them. Ofcourse EO and Ams are taking it easier now. Pocket full of cash, tons of experiences, plenty of ioi. They'll get by.

Perhaps they try to protect their brand , and they get too much reports from beta clients saying that their approaching isn't working.

 

[Gamisch]

One of the highest notch count guys I know was a spam approacher in nightlife venues with average to below average openers.

Why did he put up so many notches?

He is a 6'4" guy and looked the part that boujee/yuppie White women desire. He also happened to do most of his approaching in bars with boujee/yuppie White women. He would do his approaches later in the night on Fri/Sat nights, starting around 11:30 PM - 12 AM and going until closing time, he got to leave the venue with someone, or he had to settle for a phone number/possible future first date.

In his case, his looks were the best thing going for him. Additionally, he understood he possessed a look/persona that was desirable to boujee White women. He understood their fantasies of his type and played to that aspect of their desires.

Sounds like he indeed found the type of spot where he's most successful, really important part of the game.

And he had you as a solid wingman. Even today you would benefit from having such a steady wingman.

 

[The Duke]

Spam approaches are a lot like spam calls and spam emails.......it obviously works on some.

I've done it before. Spam approached 10 girls in one nite. Told them all they were hot and asked if they wanted to make out. Less than 3 were willing to make out. Got one phone number.

I'd rather sit from afar and observe for a few minutes. I prefer to work smarter, not harder. In the end the results are about the same. Take your pick.

You either use physical energy or mental energy. It's still effort. Pros and cons either way.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

The problem, and at the same time charming about AMS is that he isn't afrair to switch up his socalled "vision " on the game. I kinda understand him , as I also did what he calls "spamming mall approaches ". It's basically the equivalent of an approach bootcamp as in it teaches you how to approach, and like you say, that a successful approach can be done within a minute.

So someone like AMS went from hoodlum to "HVM " , completely different path then a vanilla dude from the suburbs who wants to learn game when he's 35. AMS and EO tell their crowd to do it like them, but not many men are as much developed and sophisticated around women as them. Ofcourse EO and Ams are taking it easier now. Pocket full of cash, tons of experiences, plenty of ioi. They'll get by.

Perhaps they try to protect their brand , and they get too much reports from beta clients saying that their approaching isn't working.

Mannn to be honest, AMS helped through a rough stretch in my life...and I am forever grateful for that.

However, as developed and matured in the game and got my own experiences, I can't rock with some of what he says.

I don't share his views on cold approach and I don't even like his opinion on why some women reject men.

And the #1 reason why I can't rock with AMS is I found out that most of his talking points were bit off of Alan Roger Currie without giving ARC the proper credit.

Those two had a beef over AMS plagiarizing ARC's sh!t, and ARC has called him out on it.

In fact, Kevin Samuels also bit off of ARC's sh!t, along with StephisCold.

Which told me one thing; ARC is the Godfather of the Black mansosphere, and instead of following those other guys, I should have been following the original...ARC.

 

[SW15]

Sounds like he indeed found the type of spot where he's most successful, really important part of the game.

When you are a fit 6'4" man who was a former NCAA athlete in a country club sport and have a solid white collar job, you become a boujee White woman's fantasy man.

He never did one day game approach (too much effort) and barely dabbled in online game. He knew which boujee bars to visit late on Friday/Saturday nights.

He ended up picking a wife from his nightlife approaching and got married. He's now a typical beta male, albeit a 6'4" beta male who once resembled an alpha.

And he had you as a solid wingman. Even today you would benefit from having such a steady wingman.

We did do some night game together. As a 5'10" man, I looked like dog shiit next to a 6'4" man. I didn't like to nightlife approach with him due to the SMV disparity. No woman is excited about any 5'10" man, even if the 5'10" man is in shape (as I was at that time) when he is next to an in-shape 6'4" man who was once a college athlete.

Around the time I met him, I was in my late 20s and had read Roosh's "Day Bang" and was transitioning most of my approaching to non-bar venues.

Some of our other mutual friends observed the same things I observed when they went out with him.

Spam approaches are a lot like spam calls and spam emails.......it obviously works on some.

This is a good assessment. I've often equated approaching strangers randomly to cold calling/cold emailing/cold pitching via LinkedIn DMs for business development. It's not entirely analogous but the cold calling/cold emailing/cold pitching in the LinkedIn DMs tends to piss off a lot of people. It's not very effective.

ARC is the Godfather of the Black mansosphere, and instead of following those other guys, I should have been following the original...ARC.

Yes, Alan Roger Currie is the Godfather of the Black Manosphere. I don't know the Black Manosphere too well since I am a White male and I have generally been pursuing White females.

Myron and Walter of Fresh & Fit are Black men and have a popular YouTube channel now.

 

[Gamisch]

When you are a fit 6'4" man who was a former NCAA athlete in a country club sport and have a solid white collar job, you become a boujee White woman's fantasy man.

He never did one day game approach (too much effort) and barely dabbled in online game. He knew which boujee bars to visit late on Friday/Saturday nights.

He ended up picking a wife from his nightlife approaching and got married. He's now a typical beta male, albeit a 6'4" beta male who once resembled an alpha.



We did do some night game together. As a 5'10" man, I looked like dog shiit next to a 6'4" man. I didn't like to nightlife approach with him due to the SMV disparity. No woman is excited about any 5'10" man, even if the 5'10" man is in shape (as I was at that time) when he is next to an in-shape 6'4" man who was once a college athlete.

Around the time I met him, I was in my late 20s and had read Roosh's "Day Bang" and was transitioning most of my approaching to non-bar venues.

Some of our other mutual friends observed the same things I observed when they went out with him.



This is a good assessment. I've often equated approaching strangers randomly to cold calling/cold emailing/cold pitching via LinkedIn DMs for business development. It's not entirely analogous but the cold calling/cold emailing/cold pitching in the LinkedIn DMs tends to piss off a lot of people. It's not very effective.



Yes, Alan Roger Currie is the Godfather of the Black Manosphere. I don't know the Black Manosphere too well since I am a White male and I have generally been pursuing White females.

Myron and Walter of Fresh & Fit are Black men and have a popular YouTube channel now.

I get that . You do have a point , and i also mentioned this some time ago, that a wingman gotta have a somewhat equal SMV as you. He will either outshine you or be a burden. If its the former he gotta be willing to "help " you . Good luck finding that.

Imo the "race pills" is something that's kinda new actually. The redpill started like hiphop, from a really hood-ish pov ,hence the fascination RP has with oldschool pimps. Previously RP was focused on "women",but now we see more race based advice, Asian women this, black women that ect.

Not sure if there's something as a "blackRP" though, as there's no "black hiphop"? It's more natural to black people due to cultural reasons.

Myron and ? Walter? are called Fresh and Fraud for a reason...

 

[SW15]

Myron and ? Walter? are called Fresh and Fraud for a reason...

Myron and Walter are the names of the Fresh & Fit hosts. Fresh & Fit is a popular YouTube channel and is associated with the Manosphere. Myron (main host) often talks about how he liked Rollo Tomassi's "The Rational Male" book. Rollo has appeared on Fresh & Fit before.

Fresh & Fit has a bit of a niche as they typically host panel discussions with women who are some combination of the following:

• OnlyFans content creator
• Instagram thot
• Stripper, breastaurant worker, or sexy bartender/****tail waitress
• Big time nightlife club girl

When you are a fit 6'4" man who was a former NCAA athlete in a country club sport and have a solid white collar job, you become a boujee White woman's fantasy man.

We did do some night game together. As a 5'10" man, I looked like dog shiit next to a 6'4" man. I didn't like to nightlife approach with him due to the SMV disparity. No woman is excited about any 5'10" man, even if the 5'10" man is in shape (as I was at that time) when he is next to an in-shape 6'4" man who was once a college athlete.

I get that . You do have a point , and i also mentioned this some time ago, that a wingman gotta have a somewhat equal SMV as you. He will either outshine you or be a burden. If its the former he gotta be willing to "help " you . Good luck finding that.

He did outshine me badly in nightlife venues. I was in my late 20s/early 30s when he was out hunting in nightlife. He's still a friend but we weren't compatible as wings in nightlife. The upside is that he wasn't a weird, toxic dude in nightlife like some guys that @Jesse Pinkman has had as wings and had no choice but to drop as wings.

It's possible for a man to be a solid friend but not a good option as a wing.

 

[RazorRambo24]

Idk how I feel about the "dont spam approach women".. I don't think I ever spam approached women but my friends and I definitely have had times where we approached many girls in one night.. nothing was happening and its often like that when you're starting out.. It's like this energy of eagerness/real active forward energy makes girls afraid or put up defenses.

I've came a long way since that.. and I would say theres no golden rule.. Everyones different and people learn in their own ways. But what really helps is having confidence, feeling yourself, and working towards stuff, progressing.. When you're confident ina ll areas of your life it just makes things easy.. but ofcourse, just like anything, theres a learning curve/ experience is needed.

 

[nismo-4]

He did outshine me badly in nightlife venues. I was in my late 20s/early 30s when he was out hunting in nightlife. He's still a friend but we weren't compatible as wings in nightlife. The upside is that he wasn't a weird, toxic dude in nightlife like some guys that @Jesse Pinkman has had as wings and had no choice but to drop as wings.

It's possible for a man to be a solid friend but not a good option as a wing.

Never have a wingman who's better than you. He'll take all your targets and leave you with little to nothing.

Never have a wingman who's worse than you. He'll mess up and drag you down with him.

Having HVM status and looks is your best wingman.