Clubbing in Vegas...what am I doing wrong???

[squirrels]

LOL I went to Ghostbar at the Palms in Las Vegas last night. Sweet place! Loved the atmosphere and the view and the ladies were nice.

I started out kinda slow, just drinking and enjoying the view. Had some 40 year old woman trying to pick me up right off the bat, but I kind of blew her off in the nicest way possible. Then I decided to holler at this other girl who was looking at me...a little chunky around the waist but she had a cute face, so I figured what the hell. She ended up giving me a number, but I don't know if it's real. Don't really care...from there I started to work my way up to the hotter girls.

Which brings me to my POINT. I think I'm doing everything right...but I seem to hit the same brick wall with every woman I talk to. I'll make eye contact, go and chat them up, talk about the basic fluff stuff (where are you from, what are you doing here, what do you do for fun, etc)...smiling, enjoying myself, initiating kino first with a hand on the shoulder, moving up to an arm around the shoulders, waist, etc...

They seem interested at the time, but then this point inevitably comes where they BREAK AWAY and NEVER come back. YOu know, the old, "I need to find my friends, talk to my girl, get a drink, hit the bathroom, etc". No biggie, cuz I'll just find the next girl, but after 5 or 10 of these I'm getting the feeling that something is wrong with my game.

One thing I noticed is that there's rarely, if ever, any return kino from the women. I had some chick feeling me up while I was talking to another girl in another group ( ) but usually the woman I'm talking to seems interested verbally, yet unresponsive physically.

Maybe I seem like I want it too much? I mean, if I see that "I have to go blah blah blah" coming should I break contact first? Should I try not to holler at as many women? Maybe lay off the kino or just talk enough to establish a little rapport and then leave?

I know I had a lot to drink, but it didn't seem like sloppiness was the issue...this seems to happen regardless.

I mean, it's discouraging when a lot of the girls you decide to talk to will hold a convo with you and then break and go right over to the next dude. I'm not jealous, but I do have to wonder what they're doing that I'm not.

A lot of them told me that they'd be going to another club in the same hotel tonight (Rain). Should I even go to that venue or choose another one if I go clubbing tonight?

And why is every friggin chick in Vegas a nurse? LOL!

Someone throw me a tip. I know I shouldn't need it, but I guess I'm not quite there yet.

 

[One on One]

You might be coming across as an interviewer, asking too many questions. I do the same thing. I'm not a good conversationalist so I don't know how to help you.

 

[FlyGuy]

"Which brings me to my POINT. I think I'm doing everything right...but I seem to hit the same brick wall with every woman I talk to. I'll make eye contact, go and chat them up, talk about the basic fluff stuff (where are you from, what are you doing here, what do you do for fun, etc)...smiling, enjoying myself, initiating kino first with a hand on the shoulder, moving up to an arm around the shoulders, waist, etc..."

Maybe you're coming on too strong. Kino is supposed to be light and subtle. If you touch a girl a lot right off the bat it will come across as a bit too pushy and maybe even creepy. Ease up on it and keep the conversation light - don't ask TOO many questions in a row, etc.

 

[squirrels]

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You think it could also be that I'm not being enough of a challenge? That's what I was kinda thinking...spending too much time with any one girl until THEY decide to move instead of me.

Kinda goes hand-in-hand with the whole kino thing...I guess maybe I'm engaging too hard and end up coming off as needy or unchallenging.

 

[SLIKKER_THAN_AVG]

Squirells the PALM is a nice hotel eh?

I think its owned by the MAloofs (Sac Kings)

On a totally different topic you should check out C2K and the Rum Jungle..

I wanted to hit those places up when i was in Sin City last year but i never got the chance.

 

[drixsa]

To be honest if i were u id be pretty bored by the end of the nite

you are in las vegas for goodness sakes and u seem to not be havin any fun at all in this hott club

see when i go out with a gurl, friends, to a bar, club, restuarnt, etc. my number one priority is to have fun

now obviously fun can come in different ways
but, for example when i hit a club ill talk to whoever, as long as they are interestin, different and have somethin to offer.

i try to never ask 2 girls the same question besides "whats your name?"

be creative, have some fun with it

also u seem to be puttin the kino on a lil to hard

it seems like your doin a lil too much of everythin

use kino once talk a lil more then ask em to dance

thats what the club is there for, right?

 

[squirrels]

Originally posted by drixsa
To be honest if i were u id be pretty bored by the end of the nite

you are in las vegas for goodness sakes and u seem to not be havin any fun at all in this hott club

see when i go out with a gurl, friends, to a bar, club, restuarnt, etc. my number one priority is to have fun

now obviously fun can come in different ways
but, for example when i hit a club ill talk to whoever, as long as they are interestin, different and have somethin to offer.

i try to never ask 2 girls the same question besides "whats your name?"

be creative, have some fun with it

also u seem to be puttin the kino on a lil to hard

it seems like your doin a lil too much of everythin

use kino once talk a lil more then ask em to dance

thats what the club is there for, right?

Well it's not quite "20 questions"...I listen to how she answers and try to base conversation on the stuff that she talks about...but maybe you're right, chix don't seem to talk much.

I'm not much of a dancer...that's something I can merely "survive" at, plus there weren't many people dancing at this particular club.

It's kind of an awkward situation, because there's no #close. If I don't get with the girl tonight, I'll most likely never see her again. I guess I'm still TRYING too hard to be DJ, instead of just BELIEVING and BEING it. I know I SHOULD be able to just accept my role as a man and believe and do/take what I want, but the social pressures are still finding ways to alter my way of thinking.

It's not about the tips and tactics...they're just tools. They only work in the right hands, with someone who knows when and how to use them.

I have to clear my head...I wanna go check out another club tonight, since it's my last night here, but I can't go in with this mindset and attitude or I'll be miserable (and consequently will not attract many ladies.

 

[The Edge]

Find a wingman

Send a PM to PRMoon.. If my instincts tell me right, if you do that, you are probably in for a blast... The problem with Vegas is if you are a visitor, you reak of visitor shytt... People come to Vegas to have a good time and spend ducketts with people who know the spots..... Find a wingman.. or you will be pissing in the wind all day....

Edge ...

 

[Starman]

I think in a place like vegas you need to show your sexual side a bit more..make some sex remarks but lightly..and like you said dont spend too much time with one girl..tell them you're gonna go check out the rest of the place and you will see them around.

 

[Unbridled_1]

Squirrels,

you just need some nuts

 

[squirrels]

I was going to post a long post about how women are stupid, filthy *****s and that I have nothing to offer them and I will be a virgin the rest of my life and wish I didn't have nuts and didn't desire the dirty, disgusting creatures we call women...but I've been drinking and I can't really argue the point.

I still don't get it. I can't be it. And even if I could, I doubt it'd make a difference. I just don't believe anymore.

Maybe I need time.

I just don't know....I just don't know........

...

 

[squirrels]

Originally posted by squirrels
I was going to post a long post about how women are stupid, filthy *****s and that I have nothing to offer them and I will be a virgin the rest of my life and wish I didn't have nuts and didn't desire the dirty, disgusting creatures we call women...but I've been drinking and I can't really argue the point.

I still don't get it. I can't be it. And even if I could, I doubt it'd make a difference. I just don't believe anymore.

Maybe I need time.

I just don't know....I just don't know........

...

Shut up, you inebriated fool.

Sorry bout that...I had a bit too much to drink.

SLIKK, C2K is closed. I went to the Venetian last night and apparently the hotel bought out C2K and turned it into a showroom. The guy there told me to go to "Rain in the Desert" at the palms. That seemed OK, but I had to wait till 12:00 to even get in and then the place was a shoulder-to-shoulder sausage-fest for a good long while.

I actually broke out and started dancing a little bit, but then the liquor did its thing...it both killed my coordination (didn't fall over or anything but stepped on a few people's toes) and also blew my confidence completely to the wind, leading to the beautifully insightful post above.

The women there are kind of "club hoochies," though. Still I suppose it was a good time. Unfortunately, the late entrance plus the early intoxication didn't give me a lot of room to learn anything. I need to either build up a tolerance or stop drinking altogether at clubs.

Stay tuned...Vegas was fun, but it's a LONG weekend, and I'll be spending it on MY turf.

 

[icehot]

squirrel,

I just got back from Vegas and I stayed at the Palms.
That hotel is sweet. Went to ghostbar and Rain.

Here's my observation. Ghostbar is full of hotties. Period.

In this case, me and my wingmen changed our MO. We'd go up to a hottie and her friends. Smile, say hi, introduce ourselves, get their names. Then instead of hanging around, we just say "nice to meet you" and move on to the next hottie.

I had the exact same problem that you had the first 2 nights.

Thats when we changed our tactics. And Bingo Success! We ended up getting honies back to our suite the other 3 nights.

I figured that in vegas, the women have heard every friggin line and idle chit-chat that they can take. So we ignore them ASAP.

When they saw us talking to other honies, I found that they let their guard down so the next time we saw them either at the bar or at the line for the bathroom, we'd do a little chit-chat and leave them again.

We kept repeating this all night until their comfort level got high. That's when we started with the kino and other friendly chat.

My closer was always "we gotta continue this conversation back at my suite"

At Rain, things are a little different. No real way to get a conversation going. So, we found that you CANNOT be shy at that club. If you see a honey, go up to her say hi and then get her on the dance floor platform as soon as you can, where you can grind her until the cows come home. Believe me, if you hesitate, there will be another guy just waiting. I did it to a few guys and I had it done to me once.

-iceH

 

[squirrels]

Originally posted by icehot
squirrel,

I just got back from Vegas and I stayed at the Palms.
That hotel is sweet. Went to ghostbar and Rain.

Here's my observation. Ghostbar is full of hotties. Period.

In this case, me and my wingmen changed our MO. We'd go up to a hottie and her friends. Smile, say hi, introduce ourselves, get their names. Then instead of hanging around, we just say "nice to meet you" and move on to the next hottie.

I had the exact same problem that you had the first 2 nights.

Thats when we changed our tactics. And Bingo Success! We ended up getting honies back to our suite the other 3 nights.

I figured that in vegas, the women have heard every friggin line and idle chit-chat that they can take. So we ignore them ASAP.

When they saw us talking to other honies, I found that they let their guard down so the next time we saw them either at the bar or at the line for the bathroom, we'd do a little chit-chat and leave them again.

We kept repeating this all night until their comfort level got high. That's when we started with the kino and other friendly chat.

My closer was always "we gotta continue this conversation back at my suite"

At Rain, things are a little different. No real way to get a conversation going. So, we found that you CANNOT be shy at that club. If you see a honey, go up to her say hi and then get her on the dance floor platform as soon as you can, where you can grind her until the cows come home. Believe me, if you hesitate, there will be another guy just waiting. I did it to a few guys and I had it done to me once.

-iceH

Ghostbar = teh shiznit.

Yeah, I think I was just holding on too tight because I felt like I had something to lose (which I really didn't). It helps to have a wingman though. I like places like that where the focus is more on chilling and mingling instead of freak-dancing.

I guess you need to get it through your head that really DON'T have anything to lose when approaching women. If she blows you off, you're really in no different shape than when you first got to the club. If she doesn't, well...

Then you don't feel the need to hang around, talk all night, hang on to her, keep other guys away, because you know that you lose nothing if she blows you off...she, on the other hand, loses the opportunity to be with a man with nothing to lose.

Also I've been trying to curb my alcohol consumption in clubs, but I guess I need to work harder at it.

 

[Ronin I]

The women there are kind of "club hoochies," though. Still I suppose it was a good time. Unfortunately, the late entrance plus the early intoxication didn't give me a lot of room to learn anything. I need to either build up a tolerance or stop drinking altogether at clubs.

One thing that I do that helps when I want to keep my faculties (but still booze it up) is alternate alcohol drinks with glasses of water. This keeps you from getting too wasted too early. Just be prepared to piss a whole lot .

 

[Asstronaut]

I've had the same problem in Vegas, and I don't have problems anywhere.

The biggest problem is that most of the high-end clubs/bars are fully stocked with willing prostitutes.

 

[squirrels]

Originally posted by Asstronaut
I've had the same problem in Vegas, and I don't have problems anywhere.

The biggest problem is that most of the high-end clubs/bars are fully stocked with willing prostitutes.

Actual "pay-for-sex" prostitutes, or just women who try to get whatever they want by "shakin' it" a little?

The former I don't believe I encountered...otherwise I would assume they'd work a little harder on THEIR part to make the sale.

The latter, yeah, they're all over. Like Redman says, "You a champagne ho with Kool-aid money." So many hot women trying to get freebies and prefrential treatment just for being attractive.

I almost went off on this one chick...I was in line for a cab and she gets in line behind me and starts trying to flag down one of the cabs waiting in line before the other passengers can get to them. Also, many, MANY women jumping the line at Rain, walking up and flirting with the bouncers.

It's really men's fault that women are this way...so many supplicating, spineless nancy-boys who happen to have a lot of money and are willing to throw it at any remote chance to F a hot girl. Shiat, if I could get preferential treatment for shaking MY ass, I would too.