Cloud the jerk

[Cloud-uk]

Cloud Minus Morals, oh, and **** buddy question!

Ok, I'm slightly worried about something here. I saw face off yesterday and totally sided with the nick cage character, you know, the drugs taking, womanising terrorist, and was pretty appauled at the "hero", the john travolta character.

Lets make no mistake about this, the guy nick cage plays is not a nice man! He's pretty ****ed up, but the only thing my brain could come out with was "hey! well at least he's living his life" and I was actually disgusted at the way the "hero"'s life was driven by revenge, he was a totall bore to be with, AND his wife was ugly and he wasn't ****ing her! The guy was a ****ing loser (tho I would probably do his daughter), and I had a real dislike for him.

If you've seen the movie, maybe you'll understand what I felt when Castor Troy says something along the lines of "Christ I didn't mean to kill your boy, I was trying to kill you! But you had to take it so....personally!"

Well boo hoo, Castor Troy macks it with the ladies (ok, lets look at this- the cop's wife- Yuck. The woman castor troy occasionally ****s- oh-so much better!), has some nice bald friends, makes lots of money, and is probably a right laugh at parties. The guy john travolta plays spends the rest of his life with an ugly wife. Should he not be ashamed of wasteing what is a valuabe life, and would be put to much better use by someone who would actually enjoy themselves?! Castor troy has fun, he has nice gold guns. He's memorable! So what if he kills a few people? I take it he's not a religious guy, and so he has no moral basis for holding murder as wrong. Hey! Break a few eggs to make an omlett right?

And such forth I managed to convince myself something which I'm sure is wrong on some level. A year or 2 ago, I would have been all "Troy is disrespecting his body, killing innocent civilians, and breaking the law- bad guy", now its more "Troy is living- Good guy?". Seriously, if I thought I was going to have a good time with drugs I could probably convince myself they're better than not doing them- hey! Try out everything life has to offer you! (incidently, drugs dont seem to agree with me, so I stay off them)

This worries me slightly, because it throws me into a whole different ball game. This post has been slightly rambling so far, so i'm going to try to sort it out.

WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE?!
This was the title of my philosophy h/w this week. I had 5 statements, of varying severity, on a moral/ social issue. All I had to do was say what I could tollerate and what i couldn't. WHAT IF I COULD TOLERATE ALL OF THEM?! What if I cant draw the line? I seriously think I'm turning into a jerk, or something quite seriously worse. Movie bad guy worse.

Ok, in another aspect of my life, I have a whole bunch of girls I can get with. I feel that I am ready to lose my virginity, and if I did get a girlfriend I think I would expect to have sex with her. Feels like the right time, ya know?

Anyway, I know that if i get with a lot of these girls, and then get with another, it will really hurt them. Plus I forfit my moral high ground (which I still think is an illusion, still, give's me a bit of power over one or two of these girls which could become very useful in the future blah blah blah). Anyway, I am not entirely sure what I want to do (bear in mind I'm at a new school, and there are SOOOOOOOOOOO possibilities).

Dont worry though, I'm not going to start rapeing people and holding hostages for money just yet- my selfishness thinks that I'll get caught and screw up the rest of my life- a life that could be spent having more fun.

But....siding with movie bad guys and actively resenting the good guy? Finding very little reason that hurting girls is a bad thing? I am turning into a jerk, and I totally see why they pick on losers at school. They're just angry they're not living their lives.

So what should I do? Problem is I'm not asking for advice, I'm just going to go out there and make a mistake, and live with it. Actually, I am partially looking for advice- this mindset hit anyone else? I'd like to know what happened to you after it. I'm also giving advice, in that my situation probably isn't that complicated, and its when you spend time thinking about it that the damamge is really done. Some woman said this on TV, but the one thing she regretted in her life was "not making my mistakes sooner". Stop ****ing deliberating over something and just ACT. Sure, you might screw up, but that's life. I'm gonna make a resolution not to think about personal problems too much.

Ok- This is the thing I've realised though. When you start stripping down what exactly is right and wrong for you it opens up whole different ballgames.

If you start seeing something as ok, it opens you up to do it, it further relaxes the rules. It puts you in a new game with new people, who already see things that way. Thinka bout it, last year for me no one ****ed, and the ball game was "players kiss lots of girls". Now its much more like "players **** lots of girls" but amybe not quite there yet...anyway, if your playing to the old game and you suddenly switch to the new game, it is a shock. I think when i was an AFC I was backwards in my views, and I'm not quite sure if I've caught up yet. I'm not quite comfortable in this new game. And if I want to rule it I need to be comfortable.

And this relates to what I'm saying before. How do we know what's right and wrong? And if nothing is wrong your playing to biggest game with the highest stakes, a game very few play for obvious reasons. At the moment I'm a little bit torn about the idea, but how do you guys work out what's right and wrong (btw I dont believe in God or free will- go figure).

Anyway, I guess I'm just looking for a bit of reasurance. On the girls thing I think I'll try going out with one I like quite a bit for a few weeks. I think it'll break down after a while tho, and it'll be a amistake. Still, better just do it.

 

[WingS]

im half way through reading this and finding it hilarious

 

[Ares]

Good vs Bad

ok here's the deal cloud, you dont have to become a total jerk. The way I see it you lived your life with a high moral code, found this website and felt betrayed by yourself, soceity, friends and justa bout everyone else on this earth. that's a natural "reaction", but now you've got to think "adaption". Seriously there must be some of your morals you want to keep, but just lose the ones that mean nada to you. And that **** about the only thing stopping you from doing soemthing really bad is that you think you would get caught, thats the biggest sh**load I've heard. Moral=Fear, if you think like that then you see a cold fu**** world. So stop your *****ing and start living as yourself not the badass version. think yin/yang, thats how your good and bad sides should be......anyways best of luck to you......

"She pulled up my sipper, loaded my gun and then I discoverd.......my arms where numb" An old western comedy, this guy gets shot

"Come lightning, come thunder, this is a fearless man standing before you" An old legend

 

[Cloud-uk]

^^^^^hahahaha, ares you make me laugh. No offence ment, but I get the feeling that your talking to me like I'm a total newbie. I didn't live my life with a high moral code, and please, I didn't feel betrayed by myself and my friends and, where the buck always seems to stop these days- society.

Yin and yang? Wtf? Read my post again. I dont believe in religion, so why on earth would yin and yang mean anything to me? And please dont asume I'm acting like a badass version of me. Please, dont assume because I want to know what everyone else bases their views on, and why they draw the line at certain places and how they decide what is right and wrong doesn't mean I'm being a badass.

I am a badass by the way. I have a hairy chest and a motorcycle, argh! Badass!

Lol, if you think I'm having an emotional reaction I'm not, I just want you to read it and understand. If you don't, please dont tell me to quit my *****ing.

hahahaha, yeah, I'm going to keep some of my morals just cos I feel like it! If there's nothing to base them on you're just kidding yourself. The world is cold and heartless? No **** sherlock, but it also has icecream and breasts in it- and they rock.

Oh and by the way, yes. The only reason i dont go gunning people down is because I'm selfish and lazy. If you were making me unhappy, and I could get away with it, I would kill you. We're talking pretty seriously unhappy here, but I would. So what? Its your own bloody fault for pissing me off!

I'm not flaming you man, you just think I'm something I'm not. I am however, a guy with pretty solid views about the world, and I'd just like to see if there's anyone els eout there that thinks the same.

By the way, now you know I'm a total ass, how do you decide what's right and wrong Ares?

oh and Wing S, glad to make you smile

 

[MacdaddyJr]

Whoa man! thats your reason for not gunning down people. Okay, then. Maybe you just feel that way cause your in a bad mood or something but if you have any morals u wouldn't end someone elses life for no good reason. How would you like to get gunned down and shot by strangers and they rob you of everything. Duh! I hope your not f**cking serious because it doesn't impress me.

I find your post funny as hell. I too have seen that movie and liked troy more than travolta's character. He's got the natural qualities of a don juan except he is a f***ing jerk. I look at him and only want the good qualities he has and not the murdering, schemeing, and deceaving side of him. He's not my idol but I can see an intellegent side to his madness. The part when he gives the wife better sex is really messed up in someway. Travolta's character is the all around nice guy and the bad-ass comes along and knows how to woo his ugly babe better than him.

About your question about the girls. If I were you, and didn't want a relationship but just wanted some poon-tang, then I would find a girl kind of like that as well. Because you should go out with a decent girl and f**k her then get rid of her. She will probably become attached to you when you do have sex. It happened to me. Don't trick her like the players do. "I love you your the only one for me" and f**k her and get rid of her. You wouldn't like it if some girl you loved and cared about did that to you. Then went for another guy the very next day.

All I'm saying is; yeah I get your point about troy and how if you let yourself more open to everything the possiblities become endless then again it could mess you up as a person. Maybe the one in the end you decide you want have a real long relationship with or whatever could see you as heartless and conceited and leave your ass. I don't want to be a jerk, I'd rather I be a
nice-jerk.

I've felt somewhat like you have before about the good-guy thing. Be your true self though, and be a don Juan too. You'll like yourself more.

 

[BWSL2]

I can completely relate to you Cloud. I get the same feeling watching some movies-especially flicks like Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street. Usually it's because the good guys suck and I want them to die, but I still root for the bad guys.

When these "evil thoughts" first came to me, it shook me a little bit as well. But, after much meditation on the subject, I've concluded that being the bad guy was perfectly natural, and a lot of fun. I don't go around kicking puppies, but I simply don't let anyone else's standards or morals effect me. I make my own rules, and I'm a better man for it.

The good guys, like Travolta in Face Off, are so wrapped up in doing what's good that they forget to do what's right, and that is to live life. You don't have to be a badass to do that either. Keep your morals-you'll need them. But try to only follow yours.

Do whatever the hell you want, as long it doesn't infringe on everyone else's right to do the same thing. If we'd all just give each other our own space we'd be fine.

*steps off the soap box*

 

[Da Game]

I'm exactly the same. I can never stand the good guys in movies... they piss me off. Seriously, why can't we have any COOL good guys, like Han Solo, in movies anymore? The bad guys are always just so much more interesting.

I also have some issues with my own "moral code" because I really don't have one. Hell, I sleep around, cheat on girls constantly, do drugs, sell them occasionally, you name it. And it doesn't but me at all.

My only thought that this is kinda like a pendulum swing - previously I was super moral, no drugs, etc. Now I'm swinging the other way. I'll probably acheive a healthy balance sometime later in life... I think this might just be a normal cycle for growing up. So I'm not so worried, and maybe you shouldn't be either.

 

[Eventide]

Castor Fvcking Troy

I love that movie.

About the sex... Do you think a guy like Castor Troy would have a hard time getting a girl to only be a fvck buddy? I don't think it'd be all too difficult for him... So Maybe Castor-uk could do the same?

BWSL2 hit it on the head, whats good and whats right arent always the same.

 

[Cloud-uk]

lol, Castor-uk...I like the ring of that.

I'm just going to rephrase this for some of you guys out there that are taking this the wrong way. I wouldn't go out and gun loads of people down because I dont want to. There are so many reasons I wouldn't want to do that, like...uhhhh...JAIL! Added to that I cant see myself enjoying gunning people down. Its a waste of time- I could be doing soething fun! Plau it would get stains on my lovely white shirts Seriously, if I enjoyed gunning people down, and I wasn't going to get caught, I just might. Even then, we're talking about other living breathing human beings, who I'm sure could give me a lot more pleasure alive than dead.

Don't get me wrong- I love people, you guys make my life interesting, so the only concieveable situation when I would kill someone would be if I think they deserved it. Say....a rapist and murderer, gets out of jail, lets also add that he...raped my sister. I find him, and I can get away with it, I would kill him. I wouldn't have any problem with that, the ******* would just go around making more people dead or unhappy, and generally making the world crap. He had it comming, sure i'd do it.

But I wouldn't have any religious or moral conviction not to. I wouldn't say it was wrong on the basis of him being another human being and therefor it is wrong to kill him. I wouldn't be stopped by the thought I'll be punished in a later life or something. I'd just shoot him, because all in all, it would make me a lot happier, and coincidentally it would probably cheer some other people up as well- if I wanted any further incentive to do it.

See what I mean? I have to say in my case it hasn't been a pendulum swing, just a gradual thinking it through.

I've kinda sorted it out in my head now. Although I dont think what castor troy does in the movie is wrong (I have no moral system, I'd be a hipocrit if I said it was "evil"), if he was a real life character and it infringed on my happiness or pissed me off in someway, I'd be entitled to act on it. My mindset is pretty much liberal, do what ever the hell you like. If it hurts others, never mind, live for yourself. Just dont be suprised when it comes back to bite you in the ass. I'm not talking about karma or ****, just that if you piss people off, they will probably get their own back later

On this basis, I'm still a pretty nice guy to people- cos then nothing bites me in the ass.

Sadly, I doubt anyone will be able to convince me I do have morals, cos I really dont. Looking at the world this way doesn't bother me, but it might bother some of you. Still that's your choice, and your free to flame me if you like. Just beware it doesn't come back round to bite you in the ass.

Just for the record, i dont think it's a good idea everyone adopts this view. I think there are too many stupid people out there who wouldn't think things through. Impulsive is good when your doing things that dont hurt anyone. Stupid people are dangerous in large numbers.

And yeah! We need more cool heros! Han Solo is a great example of how a hero should be done!

And about the girls, I've been thinking about it for too long, so I gave each of the girls a number and rolled a dice. Now I have a girlfriend, and I feel a lot better. Probably wont last, but that's hardly the point. The thing I've learnt from this is that you really mast not think about anything too much. Sure, think it through for a bit, but really stupid problems like girlfriends and stuff shouldn't be thought over for more than....say....an hour.

Mmmm **** buddies...ok- plan is that while I'm going out with this girl I check out talent at new school, to find possible **** buddies. Unavailability should make me more desirable too (as if I wasn't desirable enough! ) so that should be nice and easy .

Anyway, I have no morals. No biggie, I can live a better life without them, and yes, I will always do what is right!

 

[Cloud-uk]

ok, just renamed this post as I have a quick question.

I just realised I couldn't be arsed to think about which girl to choose so i just chose one. However, it turns out she kissed some other guy at a party last night, and feels really guilty (funny, we weren't actually going out...still, that doesn't matter!) so, I told her flat out I'm getting with some other girl for whhat she did (heh heh, guilt is for the weak ). Now, this girl also did some stuff with loads of my (ex)mates when she was one of the girls I was sorta seeing before. Its kinda complicated, in that i cant be arsed to explain

Basicly the way i see it is that I'm pretty sure I can use that old stuff to enable me to get with a whole bunch of girls while in an "exclusive" with her. She is rele hot, but hey! the more the merrier.

Now, what would be great is if I could further advance this into her being commited to me but me not to her. Sorta like **** buddies but without the danger of her filling me with STDs .

Just wondering if any of you guys had managed to get a bunch of girls who are commited to you and who know about each other? In my opinion, that would be a right laugh, and plus I have some jealousy issues that I've only just realised and I need to sort out.

Lol, just a quick thing, me and this girl have the most hillariously ****ed up relationship ever. Only something that could happen in Europe. We both suck at not getting with other people (tho she has got off with more than I have- the *****! STill, it opens me up for this idea so it's not that bad), and I'm only still with her for the comedy value. And her ass.

Hmmmm, I just want to know how to present/convince the girl of tis idea. If the general vibe I get is that I'm living in a dream world, I guess I'll just ahve to go choose the girls I want to get with. ****! More ****ing decisions!

 

[Cloud-uk]

Damn it! I could really ahve done with a reply to this, you lazy *******s! I ended up dumping her, the whole things was begining to do my head in. Still rele like her tho, in that it will suck when she gets off with other guys (read other post) just out of interest, what you you guys have done?

 

[Ded_Skin_Mask13]

What about Cyrus the Virus off of Con Air?