Closing threads

[Gamisch]

Hey mods.

I've noticed that threads are closed real quickly. Sometimes an old thread gets revived due to a relevant issue, but it gets closed without any notice.

Why don't you at least give a reason and a name behind the closure? It's feels kinda "north Korean " .

At least say who closed it and why. Imo threads should remain open because you never know who will have new input, technologies change, laws change ect. Even a 2 y.o thread can become relevant if that relationship went from hot to completely cold in that timespan and there can be tons of lessons to be learned within.

At very least an explanation why. Seems kinda rude to anonymously close a thread mids conversation. Someone power tripping or what?? It's not like we are reddit and have millions of members. Just a small niche forum with a handfull of dedicated ,active members.

 

[Solomon]

It sucks that classic conversations get closed, I understand mods want to keep threads current but there are some topics that are "classic" topics/threads that it's better to have consolidated in one "mega thread" than make a new thread every week i.e. Online dating sucks are a perfect example of this

I find with some of these threads you can pinpoint things that change in due time

 

[BaronOfHair]

There's something of a case for closing threads that have been dormant since the month after 9/11. At the risk of putting a target on my own back though, that's more understandable than suddenly banning members who haven't threatened anyone else with physical violence, shared links to video footage of criminal activity, seriously advocated for the genocide of (insert demographic), or called for the overthrowal of a democratically elected government

Especially when we have folks here at SS who've clogged up the boards with threads which consist mostly of them "Yes, but"ing all the counsel they've very generously received, after requesting aid for some difficulty in their own lives, yet suffered no sanction for doing so




Yes, I've read the riposte "We don't ban anyone... They bring it on themselves". With due respect, that's frankly no less absurd than police departments around the nation shooting a child during the course of a raid, then trying to justify such an atrocity with an absurd excuse such as:
"If they hadn't been growing a few marijuana plants under UV lights in the guest room closet, we wouldn't have sent The SWAT team in"

 

[Clockwerk50]

There's something of a case for closing threads that have been dormant since the month after 9/11. At the risk of putting a target on my own back though, that's more understandable than suddenly banning members who haven't threatened anyone else with physical violence, shared links to video footage of criminal activity, seriously advocated for the genocide of (insert demographic), or called for the overthrowal of a democratically elected government

Especially when we have folks here at SS who've clogged up the boards with threads which consist mostly of them "Yes, but"ing all the counsel they've very generously received, after requesting aid for some difficulty in their own lives, yet suffered no sanction for doing so




Yes, I've read the riposte "We don't ban anyone... They bring it on themselves". With due respect, that's frankly no less absurd than police departments around the nation shooting a child during the course of a raid, then trying to justify such an atrocity with an absurd excuse such as:
"If they hadn't been growing a few marijuana plants under UV lights in the guest room closet, we wouldn't have sent The SWAT team in"

I’m not sure if you’ve noticed, but there has been a significant increase in activity on the board over the past few weeks. More members are coming froward to engage in discussions and share ideas, which has created a more dynamic and lively environment. Others feel more comfortable asking for and offering advice because they no longer feel self-conscious about retaliation. This shift seems to correlate with less spamming, fewer provocations, and more people caring about the board's overall tone and community.

It's clear that there are fewer people trying to stir up conflict for their own entertainment, which ultimately benefits the entire community. Such behavior would only make the forum a worse place for everyone.

 

[Bible_Belt]

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[BaronOfHair]

I’m not sure if you’ve noticed, but there has been a significant increase in activity on the board over the past few weeks. More members are coming froward to engage in discussions and share ideas, which has created a more dynamic and lively environment

If by coming forward and sharing, you mean posts like these

Most guys are rejecting this lady on this other prank

Is she ugly or something? Most guys do not want to kiss her. If she came up to you, would you? With these crazy prank videos, it seems that women have more success picking up other women then they do guys?

www.sosuave.net

Did my dad temporariliy slip into another dimension?

My dad is claiming that a city inspector approached him on his driveway, and claimed there are trace amounts of urea formeldahyde coming from the home, and left with him a blue business card to contact him. Dad sounded very animated about this conversation and insists that we have to do these...

www.sosuave.net

https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/impressing-a-woman-with-an-outfit.283447/ (At 3 pages now. If past behavior is any indicator, it'll drag out for several more)

Yeah, I've noticed. They may be "dynamic and lively", in the same way Lebanon is dynamic and lively at present, thanks to that nation and The IDF resuming their fisticuffs. This hardly makes such things desirable


"Others feel more comfortable asking for and offering advice because they no longer feel self-conscious about retaliation"

Our culture's affliction with Concept Creep is far more virulent than anyone has realized, if we're now considering written responses on a message board where everyone is anonymous to be "retalliation"... Last anyone heard, if one doesn't like something someone else wrote, they needn't read nor reply to it. Some might even describe this("Ignore those who clearly aren't engaging with you seriously, rather than running to HR or it's equivalent, in an effort to get them sanctioned")as a hallmark of emotionally mature manhood

 

[Clockwerk50]

If by coming forward and sharing, you mean posts like these

Most guys are rejecting this lady on this other prank

Is she ugly or something? Most guys do not want to kiss her. If she came up to you, would you? With these crazy prank videos, it seems that women have more success picking up other women then they do guys?

www.sosuave.net

Did my dad temporariliy slip into another dimension?

My dad is claiming that a city inspector approached him on his driveway, and claimed there are trace amounts of urea formeldahyde coming from the home, and left with him a blue business card to contact him. Dad sounded very animated about this conversation and insists that we have to do these...

www.sosuave.net

https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/impressing-a-woman-with-an-outfit.283447/ (At 3 pages now. If past behavior is any indicator, it'll drag out for several more)

Yeah, I've noticed. They may be "dynamic and lively", in the same way Lebanon is dynamic and lively at present, thanks to that nation and The IDF resuming their fisticuffs. This hardly makes such things desirable


"Others feel more comfortable asking for and offering advice because they no longer feel self-conscious about retaliation"

Our culture's affliction with Concept Creep is far more virulent than anyone has realized, if we're now considering written responses on a message board where everyone is anonymous to be "retalliation"... Last anyone heard, if one doesn't like something someone else wrote, they needn't read nor reply to it. Some might even describe this("Ignore those who clearly aren't engaging with you seriously, rather than running to HR or it's equivalent, in an effort to get them sanctioned")as a hallmark of emotionally mature manhood

While some threads might seem trivial, they’ve encouraged some participation overall, which benefits the community. Considering the banned individual openly admitted to provoking others for his own amusement and disregarding the community, wouldn't you agree the forum is better off without that kind of disruption?

 

[BaronOfHair]

While some threads might seem trivial, they’ve encouraged some participation overall, which benefits the community. Considering the banned individual openly admitted to provoking others for his own amusement and disregarding the community, wouldn't you agree the forum is better off without that kind of disruption?

I'm not speaking of any one individual who's been banned, as there've been at least a couple recently. Words written on online forum are only as "disruptive" as the individual(s)reading them allow those words to be

 

[GoodMan32]

If by coming forward and sharing, you mean posts like these

Most guys are rejecting this lady on this other prank

Is she ugly or something? Most guys do not want to kiss her. If she came up to you, would you? With these crazy prank videos, it seems that women have more success picking up other women then they do guys?

www.sosuave.net

Did my dad temporariliy slip into another dimension?

My dad is claiming that a city inspector approached him on his driveway, and claimed there are trace amounts of urea formeldahyde coming from the home, and left with him a blue business card to contact him. Dad sounded very animated about this conversation and insists that we have to do these...

www.sosuave.net

https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/impressing-a-woman-with-an-outfit.283447/ (At 3 pages now. If past behavior is any indicator, it'll drag out for several more)

Yeah, I've noticed. They may be "dynamic and lively", in the same way Lebanon is dynamic and lively at present, thanks to that nation and The IDF resuming their fisticuffs. This hardly makes such things desirable


"Others feel more comfortable asking for and offering advice because they no longer feel self-conscious about retaliation"

Our culture's affliction with Concept Creep is far more virulent than anyone has realized, if we're now considering written responses on a message board where everyone is anonymous to be "retalliation"... Last anyone heard, if one doesn't like something someone else wrote, they needn't read nor reply to it. Some might even describe this("Ignore those who clearly aren't engaging with you seriously, rather than running to HR or it's equivalent, in an effort to get them sanctioned")as a hallmark of emotionally mature manhood

Umm, on the thread of mine you linked, I acknowledged multiple times that the shirt isn't one of my more flattering shirts.

Hearing the negative feedback made me realize how non-flattering the shirt is.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I'm not speaking of any one individual who's been banned, as there've been at least a couple recently. Words written on online forum are only as "disruptive" as the individual(s)reading them allow those words to be

That’s true, but in the case of the recently banned individual, their own admission of provoking others for personal amusement suggests their presence may have been more harmful than productive for the forum’s overall tone—wouldn’t you agree? Aside from you and Corrector, Amsterdam is the other active member who was recently banned and is currently absent. I assumed your concerns about banning were related to this situation.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

We have made it very clear over and over again that if you want to discuss those topics in older threads that you should start a new thread on it rather than trying to revive old threads that can be many years or even decades old.

Why? Because for the most part the people who were involved in that thread are no longer here.

The only exception to this would be in the Hall of Excellence forum which by its very nature lends itself to old thread since it's not posted in very often.

To your initial question involving closed threads...if people would stop reviving old threads or talking about topics that are not permitted on this forum (religion, politics, etc) then the threads would not be getting closed.

The solution is very simple. Start a new thread.

 

[BaronOfHair]

That’s true, but in the case of the recently banned individual, their own admission of provoking others for personal amusement suggests their presence may have been more harmful than productive for the forum’s overall tone—wouldn’t you agree?

I didn't read the words of the individual you cite, thus I can't comment on whether or not they "admitted to provoking others for personal amusement", or whether this was the INTERPRETATION of a few readers here on SS

As a culture, we're in greater peril than anyone has realized, if we now really believe that words written on an online forum(where everyone is anonymous)can be "harmful". Last anyone heard, no one has any obligation to read the words of those who's thoughts the find objectionable in some way... When it comes to life online, things really are as simple as "Hit the ignore button" , rather than behaving no less badly than a gaggle of university students shouting down/ultimately driving off Charles Murray

 

[Clockwerk50]

I didn't read the words of the individual you cite, thus I can't comment on whether or not they "admitted to provoking others for personal amusement", or whether this was the INTERPRETATION of a few readers here on SS

As a culture, we're in greater peril than anyone has realized, if we now really believe that words written on an online forum(where everyone is anonymous)can be "harmful". Last anyone heard, no one has any obligation to read the words of those who's thoughts the find objectionable in some way... When it comes to life online, things really are as simple as "Hit the ignore button" , rather than behaving no less badly than a gaggle of university students shouting down/ultimately driving off Charles Murray

I understand your perspective, but in this case, the individual explicitly stated that they were provoking others and didn’t care about the community. While ignoring posts is an option, I believe continuous disruptive behaviour lowers the quality of discussions for everyone. It’s reasonable for the forum to set standards to maintain a constructive environment for everyone, which explains why people get banned—and why it’s sometimes necessary. Call it a Pigouvian tax.

 

[BaronOfHair]

While ignoring posts is an option, I believe continuous disruptive behaviour lowers the quality of discussions for everyone. It’s reasonable for the forum to set standards to maintain a constructive environment for everyone...

Conceptions of what's "disruptive" and "constructive" seem to vary from individual to individual... I find those who feign interest in receiving aid, only to then twist themselves into sailor's knots with their efforts to rationalize NOT adopting more functional ways of thinking and behaving (One recent example https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/who-enjoys-approaching-women.18344/page-13#post-3144532 )to be both disruptive AND detrimental to the constructiveness of a site which purports to promote self-development

 

[Clockwerk50]

Conceptions of what's "disruptive" and "constructive" seem to vary from individual to individual... I find those who feign interest in receiving aid, only to then twist themselves into sailor's knots with their efforts to rationalize NOT adopting more functional ways of thinking and behaving (One recent example https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/who-enjoys-approaching-women.18344/page-13#post-3144532 )to be both disruptive AND detrimental to the constructiveness of a site which purports to promote self-development

Yes, I guess you are right. The definitions of ‘disruptive’ and ‘constructive’ may be subjective. However, consistently provoking others, spamming, and even confessing to it is obviously disruptive and harms the forum’s purpose of encouraging self-improvement and the betterment of oneself. While some of the threads you linked may feel counterproductive, they don’t usually create the same level of conflict or negativity as intentional provocation does.

With that said, it feels like we’re going in circles now, as your main concern seemed to be the banning of members who go against the forum’s standards, which we know who we are talking about, rather than these broader differences in engagement. Again, check how active the forum is. The proof is in the pudding.

 

[BadBoy89]

Hey mods.

I've noticed that threads are closed real quickly.

Why don't you at least give a reason and a name behind the closure? It's feels kinda "north Korean " .

Question asked.

Someone power tripping or what??

Question answered.

Don't worry, America voted to be like North Korean soon. Currently some officials in the Trump administration are discussing "ignoring" Supreme Court rulings.

Rock on America!

Closed. Political thread.

 

[BaronOfHair]

However, consistently provoking others, spamming, and even confessing to it is obviously disruptive and harms the forum’s purpose of encouraging self-improvement and the betterment of oneself. While some of the threads you linked may feel counterproductive, they don’t usually create the same level of conflict or negativity as intentional provocation does.

Self-described Incels and MGTOWs continuously posting variations of the same question, or broaching subjects which are indisputably nonsensical(Ex. A recent one asks "Did My Dad Enter Another Dimension?")aren't guilty of spamming? That's another word we're redefining then



"Again, check how active the forum is. The proof is in the pudding"

Do we actually have hard data backing up this assertion, and if so, what metrics are we using?

 

[Clockwerk50]

Self-described Incels and MGTOWs continuously posting variations of the same question, or broaching subjects which are indisputably nonsensical(Ex. A recent one asks "Did My Dad Enter Another Dimension?")aren't guilty of spamming? That's another word we're redefining then



"Again, check how active the forum is. The proof is in the pudding"

Do we actually have hard data backing up this assertion, and if so, what metrics are we using?

Depending on the perspective, many threads here could be categorized as nonsensical or repetitive, yes, I agree. However, spamming typically refers to deliberate, repetitive actions meant to provoke or disrupt, and it interferes with the general flow of the forum’s normal activities, rather than simply questionable topics or ideas.

As for activity, while I don’t have hard data, the increase in new threads and participation over the past few days suggests a positive trend. If we had metrics, I’d imagine things like thread creation, responses, and unique users would be useful indicators. The overall tone and engagement levels also seem healthier than they were before. I hope you agree.