Clean and Press - Good exercise?

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Is the 'clean and press' exercise - where the barbell is lying on the ground, you grab hold of it, lift it to your waist, then hoist it over your head (like military press) - good for building up the body (namely shoulders, arms, back)?

I need some substitute exercises as my routine has become stagnant.
 

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No it isn't, because progression can be difficult.

Post your current split here mate.
 

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Here ya go alex, please mix it up/add new exercises as you see fit. Cheers!

TRICEP/SHOULDER/CHEST DAY

4 x Military Press x 4-6 reps

2 x Upright Rows x 5-8 reps

2 x Shrugs x 6-8 reps

3 x Bench Press (with medium grip) x 4-6 reps

2 x Skullcrushers (negative reps) x 5-8 reps

2 x Dips x 4-6 reps


BICEP/BACK DAY

3 x Pull Up (wide grip) x 4 reps

3 x Bent Rows x 5-8 reps

2 x Deadlift x 6-8 reps

2 x Barbell Curl x 4-6 reps

2 x EZ Curls x 4-6 reps

2 x Hammer Curls x 4-6 reps

2 x Concentration Curls x 4-6 reps


LEG DAY

4 x Squat x 4-6 reps

4 x Stiff Leg Deadlift x 4-8 reps

2 x Calf Raise x 10-15 reps
 

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No wonder you're stagnating.. seems a bit too much volume for my liking.

CHEST/SHOULDERS/TRICEPS
Incline barbell press 3x8
Flat db press 3x8
Close grip bench 3x8
Seated db press 3x8

BACK/BICEPS
Incline db curl 3x8
Pinwheel curls 3x8
Lat pulldown (if you can do chins you should be able to shift some serious weight on this exercise) 3x8
Deadlifts 3x8 or 5x5

LEGS
Any calf exercise you like, 3x15
Sumo Leg Press 3x8
Hack or Front Squats 3x8 (easier than back squats hence the higher reps - not if you're doing front squats DO NOT ATTEMPT TO CLEAN THE WEIGHT UP TO YOUR SHOULDERS UNLESS YOU'RE COMFORTABLE DOING THAT)
 

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Hey alex, thanks man.

Im eating about 180-200g of protein daily (dont laugh!) - lifeforce has grown massively over the past year and hes on 200g and is progressing really well - why is this? better genetics?

The routine you gave me looks simple, i like that. i have always been on long, complicated routines so id like to try this one. you reckon, once i get my diet in check, ill progress on this program?

I have dumbells but theyre not too good. max i can put on each is like 18kg. Ill have to buy a solid York pair in argos soon and but some extra plates for them. i never really used dumbells for shoulders press, incline press etc...

Where are barbell rows? They not a def. cert for a workout prog?

Also, what are:

PINWHELL CURLS

SUMO LEG PRESS

HACK/FRONT SQUATS?

Thanks man.
 

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LOL .. not wanting to be offensive or anything, but Lifeforce isn't massive. He's progressing well which is down to his own hard work, and growing because of that. He doesn't half-ass his workouts and keeps trying to beat the logbook. His progress is what, 10kg in two years? Not bad, but you can gain that sort of muscular weight in two or three months if you really hammer the food and the logbook. This is NOT to discredit his hard work or anything, he got out what he put in and kudos to him - but it's impossible to compare genetics unless you both do the same program and follow the same diet, etc.

Yes, I reckon you'll progress on this program because you just posted your problem - long, complicated routines. There's no way I'd progress on what you posted, no way in hell, in either strength or size.

Get some more dumbbells, worth the investment. The more weight you have means the more muscle you can potentially gain.

Barbell rows - I don't believe there's anything that'll give you a thicker back than heavy deadlifts, but if you prefer barbell rows then do them, still a solid exercise. Watch your form though, overhand grip, knees slightly bent, body as close to parallel to the ground as possible, your arms are just the hooks, you lift with your back.
 

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If you just could do one exercise the clean and press is the king.

It works everything. Of course if you do too much of that and everything else, well your going to get nowhere fast.

The other downside is there's big potential for injury if your technique is poor. If you are looking purely for mass, you are better off with the grinders, slow and time under tension, rather than explosive.
 

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Originally posted by silverwex
Is the 'clean and press' exercise - where the barbell is lying on the ground, you grab hold of it, lift it to your waist, then hoist it over your head (like military press) - good for building up the body (namely shoulders, arms, back)?

I need some substitute exercises as my routine has become stagnant.
Not really. You would be better off with good old fashioned clean and jerks. My 1RM for military presses is a weight I can clean at least 20 times straight. Unless your upper body was disproportionately strong, you would find a similarly odd discrepancy to be true.
 

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thanks for the replies alpine & metal.

warboss, well to me lifes massive! lol. :) im just average sized now (maybe a bit broader on shoulders for most guys my height and age) but its much nicer to be this way than skinny.

what are your stats anyway warboss?

Also, what are:

PINWHELL CURLS

SUMO LEG PRESS

HACK/FRONT SQUATS?

thanks
 

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5'4", 104lbs.

Pinwheel curls: like hammer curls, but curl the weight up across your chest.

Sumo Leg Press: as with leg press, but feet up on the outer/upper corners of the press, will hit your hamstrings for six.

Front squats: as with back squats but you hold the weight up on your cavicle.

Hack squats: look it up online, difficult to explain.
 

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hmm, youre very private arent ya warboss. :)

thanks but i dont have access to a suma leg press machine - is sumo squat a good sub for this?

front squats: arent they difficult/awkward to do?

cant i just keep my leg day the same? maybe intorduce an isolation exercise to fatigue the quads/hams after the compound exercises? or would this not be benefical?

im really looking forward to trying this new routine out. will i see results (not expecting massive results fast mind) in a month or two?

it just seems so simple, thats what i like about it - but as said before ive been exposed to long routines so its a good change.

also, how many weeks til i take a week off, 12? and when do i mix up the routine so it doesnt become old - and what exercises do i substitute for new ones?

one more thing, is it ok to stick dumbell flyes in there for my chest?

thanks a mil man.
 

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Yeah, I sorry I forgot you work out at home. I suppose make your squats a wider stance to hit the hamstrings more.. not a substitute for a dedicated hamstring exercise though - if you can progress with leg day as it is then keep it as it is, simple as that.

Front squats are difficult yeah, because you have to clean the weight up (not recommended) or get it off a power rack. Like I said, if you can progress on back squats stay with them. Pissing about with isolations is too scientific for me and won't get you any further than crushing the logbook on squats every time.

You should know better than to ask whether you'll see results. Come on man, you're not 15 and want huge biceps in a week.

You take a week off when you're feeling as if you need one, when the weights start kicking your arse, etc. Listen to what your body says. Change an exercise when you're stuck on it for a while, say two-three tries to increase the weight and if you can't make it then change exercises.

No, it is not okay to stick db flyes in there, why do you need them? Two intense presses should do your chest just fine.

Just try the damn routine and see, you can't fine-tune something you haven't taken for a test run yet.
 

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cheers for the reply warboss.

im looking forward to trying this routine in 3 weeks time. This is my last week before i go off on holidays so im gonna just keep with my old routine for the next 7 days, then take 7 days off (holiday) then back monday 2 weeks to start the new program.

yeah i workout at home, have a power rack so front squats are an option. i always find SLDL excellent for hitting the hams hard.

oh yeah, my squats have come to a halt at 75kg - so ill start eating more soon and see what happens.

reckon i should do squats, SLDLs, calf raises one week and then next mix em up e.g. SLDLs, calf raises, squats?
 
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