Challenging the whole 'Dating' concept.

[Skyline]

We've always been under the impression that we need to take the girl out on an official date in order to get with her. We must make our intentions clear that we aren't after being friends with her. Now, this isn't to say that you can't get a girl this way but is it really that dependable? We meet her, grab her number, and then arrange a 1 on 1 date. The success rate, I'm sure most of you know, is very very low.

Now why is it so low? Is it because of the guys actions? Maybe. But I'm starting to realize that it's because we're being too blunt from the start. Times change guys. It's been pretty much 15 years since Pook and other great members shared their advice. Social media and feminism really changed the game for us.

However, one thing has not changed. And that is attraction. What we do to attract girls in the first place will probably never change because it's wired in our genes.

One of those changes that social media and feminism has affected is DATING. Women will rationalize their emotions and give it a gray title and over analyze everything, kind of like us. But what if we didn't state that we wanted to date them in the first place? Would their guards be down? Yes, they would be. All that social media rubbish goes out the window. He just seems like a guy who wants to hang right? Right..?

Most relationships nowadays start within a social circle. There is a big reason for that. Attraction is designed to be playful and subtle. When you meet a girl, instead of inviting her out on a date, how about invite her out on a casual get together with some of your friends and have her invite some of hers.

Now let's take this from a females perspective, keep in mind that we just met:

Me : "Hey, me and my buddy 'x' are going to go eat at this genuine Chineese restaurant on 'x' day, do you have anyone that can come with you?"

Now compare that to this:

Me: "Hey, there is this genuine Chineese restaurant that I think would be great for the two of us. When are you free?"

What is more innocent? What falls below the radar more? What is more subtle? The first one of course. It seems casual, innocent, and friendly. It seems like you genuinely just want to be around her. Every girl knows what dates lead up to but a group hang out? Seems casual, nothing will happen later right? Right..?

The more and more you meet up with her and her friends you're not only getting her more comfortable with you, plus some attraction and frame control techniques here and there, but you are expanding your social circle and meeting her friends. Eventually, you can get her comfortable enough to "hang out" with you 1 on 1. You can do the exact same thing with her friends as well.



There is power in numbers. Women know that and men know that, why do you think we want 1 on 1 interactions when it comes to dates?

"He couldn't possibly pull anything when I'm with my girls right?"

"Well sweetie were more subtle than that guy who asked you out on a date yesterday night. We may not get into your pants tonight but we will eventually, and maybe even some of you're friends too!"

We all fear the friend zone but women don't even know what that zone even is for men. Hangouts in a group setting does not equate to zero attraction. I don't know where that stigma came from but the only way you can ruin any attraction is if it's ruined by your lack of frame. Women are wired differently guys, remember that.

Now this level of game requires you to be confident, somewhat charismatic, access to a vehicle of some sort, and you MUST be able to maintain your frame and flirt subtlety through kino and talking. You're literally creating your own social circle and guess who's the leader? You.

Now answer me this, do popular/famous people get laid for being just that?


Yes.

 

[Skyline]

Damn this is next level man. However I'm not sure most guys could pull this off. Either they don't have the right set of friends (although who wouldnt be down for a set up double date?), don't have the resources, logistics could get sticky (or just another flake reason), and one last reason that comes to mind is that when they got her number, did not give a good impression and said girl doesn't go for it.

With all that said, it could work. I'll try it. I have a girl on deck right now. I'll share her response tomorrow!

Yeah like I said, frame control is everything. I'm currently in the process with 3-5 girls right now, I'm interested in two of them, and I'm planning a meet up with all of them this Tuesday. You cannot abruptly declare interest by asking for a date but subtle flirting still makes their hamsters spin!

The way I see it, if I can see the girl in person then I can build attraction in an environment that is innocent for the most part. Frame control is really the main point in this.

 

[Stagger Lee]

I suppose group hang outs work for some people. It seems something more applicable to people in their 20s who tend toward doing that. I just don't think a group of her friends and your friends helps as much as it potentially can harm. You got her friends who could potentially c0ckblock and keep her slut defense up. And you have your friends who could potentially passively and actively c0ckblock. It's all in the air while your spending your time hanging out with her in a group and every guy and girl hanging out can attract each other, it might not end up being you with your target.

If your friends never actively c0ckblock and never try to go after your target, then the positive social proof of having friends that respect you I think can be very helpful in raising your value.

I think if a girl will hang out in a group with you and you can manage to close the deal on her, then you could've done it just as easy or easier one on one. You're depending on your friends and her friends to be a help and not a hindrance. I like to just get the girl one on one and not have to worry about as many potential obstacles or interference.

 

[Mr Wright]

I have found that with group hangouts there are too many variables and I wouldn't do this kind of thing not because I don't think it would work but because I want to take the path of least resistance. I've hung out with girls I've hooked up with socially and it's not a problem but the fact is that with some girls you maybe have one or two chances to bang them, so logistically if you're in a group setting you're shooting yourself in the foot. Trying to pull a girl from a social setting into a sexual one is tough so it just seems like it would be adding in extra work. Maybe it's just with the way I do things but I wouldn't have the patience for this. I always see girls as either yes, maybe or no. You screw the yes's, forget the no's and the game is played with the maybe girls. There's no need to do this sort of thing with the yes girls because they're into you and go with most things, if your game is tight you will be banging this chicks on a regular basis. This won't work with the no girls, in fact you could be wasting more time because she's just not interested, maybe you could hook up with her friend...maybe not, more options yes but also more variables. Now when it comes to the maybe chicks, I've found that from my experience befriending them and all that is counterproductive, if they're kinda into you but they're not completely sure for whatever reason, the quickest way to get her to change her mind is to take her out 1 on 1, get her aroused and give her the plausible deniability. I feel that messing around on group dates would make it so much harder, considering that most girls are probably maybe girls, you need to act pretty fast and sometimes just catch her on a good day, sleep with her quickly, within 2 dates and you're in. If your 1 on 1 date game is solid, which mine is, you can turn those maybe's into yes's, pretty much within a few hours and by pass the need to go under the radar.

But that's just from my opinion and experiences, how do these group hangouts usually end up from first meet to lay etc?

 

[Skyline]

I suppose group hang outs work for some people. It seems something more applicable to people in their 20s who tend toward doing that. I just don't think a group of her friends and your friends helps as much as it potentially can harm. You got her friends who could potentially c0ckblock and keep her slut defense up. And you have your friends who could potentially passively and actively c0ckblock. It's all in the air while your spending your time hanging out with her in a group and every guy and girl hanging out can attract each other, it might not end up being you with your target.

If your friends never actively c0ckblock and never try to go after your target, then the positive social proof of having friends that respect you I think can be very helpful in raising your value.

I think if a girl will hang out in a group with you and you can manage to close the deal on her, then you could've done it just as easy or easier one on one. You're depending on your friends and her friends to be a help and not a hindrance. I like to just get the girl one on one and not have to worry about as many potential obstacles or interference.

Maybe it's because I'm inviting other girls with me so I never really have a ****block.

And like I said, keep it casual not serious. Being flirty and using kino on everyone there, including the girl you want, will make it seem like you're naturally like that.

That whole group setting is to avoid that slvt defense entirely. But you have to keep your frame...

 

[Skyline]

I have found that with group hangouts there are too many variables and I wouldn't do this kind of thing not because I don't think it would work but because I want to take the path of least resistance. I've hung out with girls I've hooked up with socially and it's not a problem but the fact is that with some girls you maybe have one or two chances to bang them, so logistically if you're in a group setting you're shooting yourself in the foot. Trying to pull a girl from a social setting into a sexual one is tough so it just seems like it would be adding in extra work. Maybe it's just with the way I do things but I wouldn't have the patience for this. I always see girls as either yes, maybe or no. You screw the yes's, forget the no's and the game is played with the maybe girls. There's no need to do this sort of thing with the yes girls because they're into you and go with most things, if your game is tight you will be banging this chicks on a regular basis. This won't work with the no girls, in fact you could be wasting more time because she's just not interested, maybe you could hook up with her friend...maybe not, more options yes but also more variables. Now when it comes to the maybe chicks, I've found that from my experience befriending them and all that is counterproductive, if they're kinda into you but they're not completely sure for whatever reason, the quickest way to get her to change her mind is to take her out 1 on 1, get her aroused and give her the plausible deniability. I feel that messing around on group dates would make it so much harder, considering that most girls are probably maybe girls, you need to act pretty fast and sometimes just catch her on a good day, sleep with her quickly, within 2 dates and you're in. If your 1 on 1 date game is solid, which mine is, you can turn those maybe's into yes's, pretty much within a few hours and by pass the need to go under the radar.

But that's just from my opinion and experiences, how do these group hangouts usually end up from first meet to lay etc?

The 'yes' girls that you are talking about are the exception to this. It'll just raise her interest in you since you would know so many females.

Be aware, that you are befriending them but you are still flirting and using kino on them. So the 'maybe' girls and the 'no' girls would just be practice and value to you. Especially on the maybe chicks, if you can defuse each girl that she's with then there will be no resistance from them. It's not a group date at all, it's simply hanging out. Her friend(s) are still under the impression that you're just being friendly and if you flirt with all of them then there is only going to be competition between them.

Think of it as constantly spinning plates and keeping your game up to date. As long as you keep your frame as the "friend that she hangs with" whilst still using kino and flirting then there will always be sexual tension regardless.

I agree that this method isn't exactly a gurantee lay, in fact it's a lot more complex than that, but it will not hurt you at all to know people, especially women.

 

[beforeimgone]

We've always been under the impression that we need to take the girl out on an official date in order to get with her. We must make our intentions clear that we aren't after being friends with her. Now, this isn't to say that you can't get a girl this way but is it really that dependable? We meet her, grab her number, and then arrange a 1 on 1 date. The success rate, I'm sure most of you know, is very very low.

Now why is it so low? Is it because of the guys actions? Maybe. But I'm starting to realize that it's because we're being too blunt from the start. Times change guys. It's been pretty much 15 years since Pook and other great members shared their advice. Social media and feminism really changed the game for us.

However, one thing has not changed. And that is attraction. What we do to attract girls in the first place will probably never change because it's wired in our genes.

One of those changes that social media and feminism has affected is DATING. Women will rationalize their emotions and give it a gray title and over analyze everything, kind of like us. But what if we didn't state that we wanted to date them in the first place? Would their guards be down? Yes, they would be. All that social media rubbish goes out the window. He just seems like a guy who wants to hang right? Right..?

Most relationships nowadays start within a social circle. There is a big reason for that. Attraction is designed to be playful and subtle. When you meet a girl, instead of inviting her out on a date, how about invite her out on a casual get together with some of your friends and have her invite some of hers.

Now let's take this from a females perspective, keep in mind that we just met:

Me : "Hey, me and my buddy 'x' are going to go eat at this genuine Chineese restaurant on 'x' day, do you have anyone that can come with you?"

Now compare that to this:

Me: "Hey, there is this genuine Chineese restaurant that I think would be great for the two of us. When are you free?"

What is more innocent? What falls below the radar more? What is more subtle? The first one of course. It seems casual, innocent, and friendly. It seems like you genuinely just want to be around her. Every girl knows what dates lead up to but a group hang out? Seems casual, nothing will happen later right? Right..?

The more and more you meet up with her and her friends you're not only getting her more comfortable with you, plus some attraction and frame control techniques here and there, but you are expanding your social circle and meeting her friends. Eventually, you can get her comfortable enough to "hang out" with you 1 on 1. You can do the exact same thing with her friends as well.



There is power in numbers. Women know that and men know that, why do you think we want 1 on 1 interactions when it comes to dates?

"He couldn't possibly pull anything when I'm with my girls right?"

"Well sweetie were more subtle than that guy who asked you out on a date yesterday night. We may not get into your pants tonight but we will eventually, and maybe even some of you're friends too!"

We all fear the friend zone but women don't even know what that zone even is for men. Hangouts in a group setting does not equate to zero attraction. I don't know where that stigma came from but the only way you can ruin any attraction is if it's ruined by your lack of frame. Women are wired differently guys, remember that.

Now this level of game requires you to be confident, somewhat charismatic, access to a vehicle of some sort, and you MUST be able to maintain your frame and flirt subtlety through kino and talking. You're literally creating your own social circle and guess who's the leader? You.

Now answer me this, do popular/famous people get laid for being just that?


Yes.

Hey man, I can see that you are unsatisfied with the current rules of dating that everyone seems to be following. You're right. The original rules are outdated and need to be updated. I want to help you find success. My friends and I are discussing the concept of getting a woman to be completely in devoted to your happiness without lifting a single finger or appearing too "try-hard" because it does in fact turn women off. Why don't you join our discussion. You seem to have a very unique perspective that you are developing. We will wait for you.


Read my thread:


"All it takes is two things to make her love you forever"

 

[Skyline]

Hey man, I can see that you are unsatisfied with the current rules of dating that everyone seems to be following. You're right. The original rules are outdated and need to be updated. I want to help you find success. My friends and I are discussing the concept of getting a woman to be completely in devoted to your happiness without lifting a single finger or appearing too "try-hard" because it does in fact turn women off. Why don't you join our discussion. You seem to have a very unique perspective that you are developing. We will wait for you.


Read my thread:


"All it takes is two things to make her love you forever"

Yeah, I read your thread already. You can get a girl to invest in you through social interactions and discipline as well, especially if you are in a group. Your thread is for the actual relationship and more for the actual attraction methods while this one is just for getting girls because I assume the people reading already know all of that.

This method that I'm currently trying revolves around subtle game and utilizing social circles which requires a heavy use of maintaining your frame- which happens to include disrespect.

Respect and tools of attraction go hand and hand.

 

[beforeimgone]

Yeah, I read your thread already. You can get a girl to invest in you through social interactions and discipline as well, especially if you are in a group. Your thread is for the actual relationship and more for the actual attraction methods while this one is just for getting girls because I assume the people reading already know all of that.

This method that I'm currently trying revolves around subtle game and utilizing social circles which requires a heavy use of maintaining your frame- which happens to include disrespect.

Respect and tools of attraction go hand and hand.

I'm glad you gave it a read. Thank You.


You're right. Attraction and respect are the same for women. They're "tingly" lol. Maintaining your frame is big in the beginning, but you never know how far you can go if you don't push her towards sex; however, getting her to invest could get her to chase you which would increase your social value in the eyes of others