can you imagine

[joekerr31]

can you guys imagine how it would change men's psychology if they started hearing about women paying 4,000 for an hour of sex with a male escort? or heck, even 200 bucks an hour.

when women constantly hear about other women escorts / strippers, etc. making CRAZY mad dough for having sex with men or showing men their p*ssy on stage, is it any wonder women feel their p*ssy is so damn valuable and use it to gain pedestal status?

 

[Jitterbug]

Or a woman getting $50M after only 4 years of marriage, living like a queen and doing absolutely no work, of course, except putting only one leg up. Compared to that, the $4000ph for an escort is pocket change.

 

[ketostix]

Or women logging on to their Myspace and getting 10 new messages, then going out to the bar and getting hit on by 10 different guys that night.

 

[Señor Fingers]

The reason this won't ever happen is two-fold

1. Female satisfaction is more difficult to achieve and men are notoriously TERRIBLE lovers

Statistics show that over 70% of women fail to reach orgasm through intercourse. Guys have the opposite problem, being too easy to please on that level and requiring little to no effort on the woman's part other than lying there with her legs open and making funny noises. Economically speaking, men make better customers when it comes to sex.

2. Women generally have a bigger emotional and biological stake in sex.

For them, the repercussions of sexual activity are much more serious.

Guys don't have to worry about getting pregnant and most could care less about connecting because our nature is to sew our seed and keep it moving.

Our sexuality as a gender is innately on the surface.. penises are like giant antenna's sending out those horny signals. Women, OTOH have their genitalia hidden away and their sexuality follows suit. Their sex is not meant to be broadcasted, nature intended for it to be unraveled and coaxed to the surface.

In this sense, men are geysers and women are volcanos.

We come more often, but unless we learn some crazy jedi-tantra, we will never know the earth-shattering pleasure a women receives on those rare occasions that she gets completely turned out. The sheer force of that kind of orgasm rattles her to the core of her being... this is why they NEED us to cuddle them afterwards. Something so intimate and hidden has been exposed in all its glory and that doesn't happen with just anyone. It's something that makes her feel vulnerable and she has to feel completey SAFE in your arms.

Men generally don't need this kind of emotional security. We are cold-hearted dogs by comparison - when the deed is done most of us just want to either roll over and sleep, or tell the b!tch to get up and make us a sammich (I even know guys that will kick a girl out of their house after busting!)

Now the real problem with women who use pvssy as their main bargaining chip is that they end up sabotaging themselves in the long run.

When a girl projects pure sex, she is going to attract a certain kind of man, namely a feminine one. I say this because manly men want womanly women.. the ones that don't need to wear skin-tight gear or show their bodies in order to have sex appeal. We get off on being the pursuers and turning that meek, librarian looking dame into our personal slvts.

Girly men OTOH, like to be sexually passive and let women do all the work, which may seem empowering to the woman at first, but in the end it actually winds up annoying the sh!t out of her. This is why the most aggressive women are inevitably the ones who end up complaining most about men, never understanding the kind of attraction they are generating or coming to grips with their own basic needs as females.

In fact I would venture to say that this is the single biggest problem in the mating game... both genders just following their base impulses (be they physical or emotional) and never asking themselves the difficult questions that will ultimately enlighten them as to what they need to be happy.

It's a sad state of affairs when most people don't even know themselves!

In a world of such spiritual/emotional bankruptcy, is it any wonder why copulation is a viable product?

The fact that it has been referred to as the "world's oldest profession" is a testament to the emptiness that has plagued humanity since the dawn of time.

 

[ketostix]

The reason this won't ever happen is two-fold

1. Female satisfaction is more difficult to achieve and men are notoriously TERRIBLE lovers

This is a bunch of crap. Either women are naturally and normally not likely to oprgasm during sex, and if not it's their fault. Maybe they need to put down their vibrators or learn how to be better lovers themselves. You cannot just claim most men are terrible lovers and to blame. You could a better case that women are terrible lovers.

2. Women generally have a bigger emotional and biological stake in sex.

For them, the repercussions of sexual activity are much more serious.

Guys don't have to worry about getting pregnant and most could care less about connecting because our nature is to sew our seed and keep it moving.

You make it sound like it's a curse to be female. You ever stop and think that maybe women are naturally happy with their ability to become pregnant? I mean yeah you can reasonably conclude that women have a factually bigger biological stake in sex, but I don't think women are too worried about it. If they did they would all go for the guy that has oneitis for them and who would give his arm and leg to stay and be with them, but they never do. Actually men have a bigger stake in a woman getting pregnant, child support, no say in matters of abortion and child custody, etc.

Well the rest of your post could've been written by a feminist, so I won't bother with it.

 

[Mr.Positive]

can you guys imagine how it would change men's psychology if they started hearing about women paying 4,000 for an hour of sex with a male escort? or heck, even 200 bucks an hour.

when women constantly hear about other women escorts / strippers, etc. making CRAZY mad dough for having sex with men or showing men their p*ssy on stage, is it any wonder women feel their p*ssy is so damn valuable and use it to gain pedestal status?

I've found the irony of this somewhat funny actually.

Here we live in a society where women get the advantages, legally, and socially, in too many ways to list, yet the most prized possession that women can offer, is their p*ssy. This is their biggest bargaining chip? In some cases, a 48 million dollar bargaining chip.

We have a long way to go to advance as a whole, and it's obvious that women will not step up to the plate and help. In fact, I'm not sure advancing is the correct word, sliding backwards towards caveman times may be more accurate.

and I used to think we all put our pants on, one leg at a time.

 

[Señor Fingers]

This is a bunch of crap. Either women are naturally and normally not likely to oprgasm during sex, and if not it's their fault. Maybe they need to put down their vibrators or learn how to be better lovers themselves. You cannot just claim most men are terrible lovers and to blame. You could a better case that women are terrible lovers.

It's simple mathematics keto. Men require much less time and energy to be satisfied than women, so naturally this will lead to a lot of guys passed out in their own drool and more women staring at the ceiling, wondering when they will actually feel something.

The truth is that most guys I know (especially younger ones) are really more concerned with getting their rocks off than satisfying a woman. A lot of times it is not intentional and based solely on ignorance. No one hands you a manual on the female body.. you have to take the initiative to explore and learn yourself.

Women don't need a manual for our bodies because we are simple creatures. Pull, thrust, repeat is pretty much all they need to know and most of us are happy campers, blissfully ignorant that a woman needs much more than that.

Overall your responses show me that you don't have too many women around you, because if you did you would hear them complain about just how bad most men are in bed.

You make it sound like it's a curse to be female.

Both genders have their blessings and curses. Neither one lives on Easy Street. Sometimes it's helpful to understand the challenges each of us faces in order to resonate with people. After all, if there is one thing both sexes crave more than anything, it's to be understood

You ever stop and think that maybe women are naturally happy with their ability to become pregnant? I mean yeah you can reasonably conclude that women have a factually bigger biological stake in sex, but I don't think women are too worried about it.

Never said they were unhappy, just subconsciously influenced by their biological clocks.

If they did they would all go for the guy that has oneitis for them and who would give his arm and leg to stay and be with them, but they never do.

Precisely because their FEELINGS wont let them. Such a spineless chump is an instant turn-off. A woman's emotional drive is stronger than anything else.. it's the basis by which she legitimizes everything she does.

She doesn't want to mate with a guy who is willing to give up his whole life for her. He has to have a lot going on for himself WITHOUT HER, in order to draw her in to begin with.

Actually men have a bigger stake in a woman getting pregnant, child support, no say in matters of abortion and child custody, etc.

You could argue that men have a potentially bigger financial stake in it (depending on what country you live in), but you can't deny that women have more biology and emotions attached to it. They are the ones that actually give birth and it's no secret that they link sex to feelings more than we do.

Granted the emotional aspect is changing as men become more feminine, but overall we still have the natural talent to disassociate ourselves from sex, treating it more like a physical release, than an act of pure intimacy.

Well the rest of your post could've been written by a feminist, so I won't bother with it.

Do you even know what a feminist is, or is that just a word you use to describe people who don't agree with your views on life? To clue you in a bit..a Feminist would never suggest that sexually liberated women are really prisoners of their own devices.

I got hope for you keto.. you are obviously smart and well-spoken, but you seriously need to drop this penchant of yours to argue aimlessly with your emotions. I dunno if you get this a lot, but you remind me of my ex-GF by the way you love to bicker.

You want to disagree, that's cool. But please bring something better to the table than "That's BS" or the same tired "Men are victims" stance you try to peddle all the time. Those of us with balls are not buying what you're selling.

 

[Señor Fingers]

We have a long way to go to advance as a whole, and it's obvious that women will not step up to the plate and help. In fact, I'm not sure advancing is the correct word, sliding backwards towards caveman times may be more accurate.

Thing is, society won't advance until we accept the roles nature gave us.

Women are followers to a fault, which means it's pretty much up to us to push the pendulum back from the current extreme it is. I keep saying it over and over again, but things would not be where they are right now if men didn't give up all their power and half their wealth for a small hole to put their schlong in.

I mean just read that last sentence.. this sh!t is RIDICULOUS!

 

[Mr.Positive]

Thing is, society won't advance until we accept the roles nature gave us.

Women are followers to a fault, which means it's pretty much up to us to push the pendulum back from the current extreme it is. I keep saying it over and over again, but things would not be where they are right now if men didn't give up all their power and half their wealth for a small hole to put their schlong in.

I mean just read that last sentence.. this sh!t is RIDICULOUS!

I agree, I'm just starting to find all this ridiculously funny actually.

It just amazes me the way things really are in our society, when you actually take off our blinders and see them. How, as a species, we've advanced to the point we are, yet have managed to steer ourselves so far from our natural roles.

 

[joekerr31]

I agree, I'm just starting to find all this ridiculously funny actually.

It just amazes me the way things really are in our society, when you actually take off our blinders and see them. How, as a species, we've advanced to the point we are, yet have managed to steer ourselves so far from our natural roles.

the human experience is an utterly absurd one. it always has been and always will be.

we are born with urges, which are then exaggerbated by the fact that the clock is ticking, which is then further exaggerbated by competitive forces to capture the top spots on the food chain (jobs, women, etc.).

your average man spends most of his waking hours trying to get as many pieces of paper as he can (ie. money) and stick his penis in as many holes as he can (ie. p*ssy). if some alien came down from outer space and asked 'so what is life like here for males?" that answer would pretty much sum it up "ummm well 99% of our time we spend collecting pieces of paper and trying to stick our penises in warm holes. then at some point we get cancer and die."

while p*ssy and money are important, the older i get hte more i realize that they are merely two elements of life. there are dozens more that are just as interesting, if not more so, than those two.

 

[swifTy]

so what is life like here for males?" that answer would pretty much sum it up "ummm well 99% of our time we spend collecting pieces of paper and trying to stick our penises in warm holes. then at some point we get cancer and die."

ha ha joekerr, that was pretty funny man, nice.

there are other avenues to pursue in life, as you said, but as nature is about surviving and reproducing, we get rewarded (good feelings) for doing exactly that. makin dough, and fvcking, so its no wonder really. and that drive is so very strong, almost impossible to ignore.

curious, what other avenues were you referring to?

 

[Jitterbug]

Overall your responses show me that you don't have too many women around you, because if you did you would hear them complain about just how bad most men are in bed.

As a dancer and someone who plays some mixed sports, I'm around a lot of women. They complain about how bad most men are in EVERYTHING, not just in bed. It's always the man's fault. I would not take their words for it.

You know how they say that you can tell how good a man is in bed by the way he dances? The exact same thing can be said about a woman. Those same women I mentioned that biatch about men aren't good dancers. It takes two to tango, whether vertically or horizontally. I've had a taste of what bad dancers are like in bed, and I'm not going there again.

I'm not saying that guys are all sex gods and women are starfish, but this popular notion that most guys are terrible in bed and most women are so much better than they're getting a terrible deal, has got to stop. It's a subset of a larger problem: men are accepting too many responsibilities and admitting too many faults, while women are free from them just because they have that warm wet hole. That is how we give our power to them. Women complain about something that may or may not be our faults entirely, and we just collectively admit responsibilities and say sorry master, won't happen again.

 

[Señor Fingers]

I'm not saying that guys are all sex gods and women are starfish, but this popular notion that most guys are terrible in bed and most women are so much better than they're getting a terrible deal, has got to stop.

My point is that women don't usually need to be good in bed. Most guys are just so happy to have vaginal access that they don't require much else. Like I said, the man is much easier to satisfy because his sex is exposed on the surface.

Women require more work.. they need to be warmed up.. coaxed, teased and worked to a frenzy before you even stick it. Even then there is no guarantee that she will climax. Men do not have this problem.. quite the contrary. We have to learn self-restraint because we are too easily pleased.

A lot of my guys friends have asked me for advice because they are so overpowered by the very notion of poon, that their sessions rarely last more than 5 minutes. It's a psychological thing. They simply get too over-excited and don't know how to control themselves.

And this is the root of our problems as men. So many of us have no control over our sexuality that it RULES us with an iron fist. It makes all the decisions, in some cases even the financial ones, where it really has no place.

You're right you know.. there are probably just as many (if not more) women who are crap in the sack. The problem is that most guys are too out of touch to notice, or even care as long as they are getting their rocks off.

The very notion of standards and ideals tends to fly out the window for a cheap lay and THAT is what needs to stop, otherwise we just step on each other's toes, instead of sweeping each other away to that primordial rhythm so many of us are deaf to.

 

[decades]

Women are responsible for their OWN satisfaction in the bedroom. Most women will prefer to fake an orgasm (so as not to hurt their partner) than to sit down and communicate with their partner ways she can achieve one for RE-AL.

 

[Colossus]

As a dancer and someone who plays some mixed sports, I'm around a lot of women. They complain about how bad most men are in EVERYTHING, not just in bed. It's always the man's fault. I would not take their words for it.

You know how they say that you can tell how good a man is in bed by the way he dances? The exact same thing can be said about a woman. Those same women I mentioned that biatch about men aren't good dancers. It takes two to tango, whether vertically or horizontally. I've had a taste of what bad dancers are like in bed, and I'm not going there again.

I'm not saying that guys are all sex gods and women are starfish, but this popular notion that most guys are terrible in bed and most women are so much better than they're getting a terrible deal, has got to stop. It's a subset of a larger problem: men are accepting too many responsibilities and admitting too many faults, while women are free from them just because they have that warm wet hole. That is how we give our power to them. Women complain about something that may or may not be our faults entirely, and we just collectively admit responsibilities and say sorry master, won't happen again.

Bullseye, my man. You took the words right out of my head.

1. Female satisfaction is more difficult to achieve and men are notoriously TERRIBLE lovers

Fingz, i agree with your second point, but i cant level with you here. It is true that female satisfaction is more elusive and requires a lot more going on that a little up and down.

BUT--to the contrary, i would argue that most WOMEN are terrible lovers.

Why? Precisely because of the mechanics you described. Most women (that i have been with anyway) want to be fvcked, not fvck you. This does not lend itself to them learning to become better lovers, because essentially they just open up their legs and lay there. Out of all the women i have been with, i can think of a FEW (maybe 5%) who were actually good in bed. And by good i mean they were active, sensual, and appropriately REactive. These girls knew that getting off is a two-way street, and their orgasm did not fall squarely on my shoulders.

Now i'll confess, there have been plenty of sessions where i dont feel like going through the marathon of dynamo sex---i just want to bang and be done with it. I get tired of doing all the work, and frankly it annoys the hell out of me when im with a girl who is completely passive in the sack. And IMO, that is most women.

Ive also noticed that the BEST lovers i have had were not the best-looking ones, naturally. In fact, the 8's, 9's, and 10's were the worst in terms of being an active player in bed. They just lay there like a fvcking throw pillow and moan. Please.

Ill be the first to admit im not some anointed master of the bone; but im certainly no chump. So when women say that men are terrible in bed--it may be true to a point--but so are they, in their own lame ways. Women are masters of avoiding accountability on anything that would reflect poorly on them, and sex is no exception.

 

[reset]

This makes guys nervous. Does me as well. I have experience but yeah, it's been a while. My mojo is back, I'm sure getting tail will be happening soon enough. But what's different between now, and when I was younger and getting action, is I was too young to be aware of all the crap about men being terrible in bed and how you have to go for hours at a time without busting. I just never heard stuff like that, so it was much easier for me to have fun and enjoy myself. Now that I've had years of that conditioning it's going to take awhile to get those notions out of my head.

We're the ones that have to keep it up and "control ourselves" add to that the notion that we have to be PERFECT and should give her multiple orgasms, and that they EXPECT that, well that can create a lot of anxiety in a guy. I just hope I can go for the stereo-typical two minutes.

But a lot of it is the foreplay, the seduction, you should be able to take your time and just enjoy the experience. It should be an experience. Not something to be judged.

 

[STR8UP]

BUT--to the contrary, i would argue that most WOMEN are terrible lovers.

Bingo.

Most women (that i have been with anyway) want to be fvcked, not fvck you.

Never really thought much about this, but it's true.

I think more often than not, when I have sex with a chick she is GETTING a lot more pleasure than she is giving.

Out of all the women i have been with, i can think of a FEW (maybe 5%) who were actually good in bed. And by good i mean they were active, sensual, and appropriately REactive. These girls knew that getting off is a two-way street, and their orgasm did not fall squarely on my shoulders.

That's a pretty accurate number. I can really only think of two girls that rocked my world on bed. The rest......eh......

Ive also noticed that the BEST lovers i have had were not the best-looking ones, naturally. In fact, the 8's, 9's, and 10's were the worst in terms of being an active player in bed. They just lay there like a fvcking throw pillow and moan. Please.

For me there hasn't really been a correlation with looks. The two chicks I mentioned above were both lookers That might have even improved the experience for both of us, since the more physically into a chick I am, the more turned on I get, and in turn it usually gets her going as well.

Ill be the first to admit im not some anointed master of the bone; but im certainly no chump. So when women say that men are terrible in bed--it may be true to a point--but so are they, in their own lame ways. Women are masters of avoiding accountability on anything that would reflect poorly on them, and sex is no exception.

Hehe....if I had a dollar for every time a chick told me she was a sex goddess but turned out to be a dishrag.....

 

[Interceptor]

Reset, if you look at 'sex' as just one thing..then you will have a narrower defintion of pleasure. Much less to enjoy and give enjoyment.

Dont focus on any ONE thing.

Focus on it being an experience like you said.

If you look into Tantra yoga and some sexual Qi Gong techniques you will find some valueable stuff there.
I recommend looking into it.

Also, get honest with yourself and bring up any anxiety issues you have.
See if you can feel it in your body. And do some EFT to address it.

 

[reset]

Thanks Ineterceptor. I can feel my own masculinity bursting out, and I can feel women respond to it. I definitely feel more comfortable with my body, my sexuality, being playful and sexual, all that good stuff. I am embracing it.

It's story told in several acts, not just the screwing part. But I think it's my previous "I'm a loser" mentality mixing in with this new awareness of my own power and sexuality. Still some insecurities there.

I think a lot of it is still my notion that I need to be validated. Working on removing that stuff. When it's fully gone I won't even worry about this stuff.

I will look into that stuff. And do some more EFT I suppose.

 

[insidious]

Men generally don't need this kind of emotional security. We are cold-hearted dogs by comparison - when the deed is done most of us just want to either roll over and sleep, or tell the b!tch to get up and make us a sammich (I even know guys that will kick a girl out of their house after busting!)

I'm convinced this trait is strictly biological. I've noticed that after I get my nut off, there is a real unmistakable urge to shake off the shackles and flee, if not physically, surely emotionally and mentally. Even with women I ostesibly had an emotional connection with. Kinda like a sexual fight-or-flight instinct