Can you be a sophisticated masculine man.

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Is there a way you can be sophisticated and educated and classy and still be masculine, because male behavior is destructive in nature. If you act or act apon your testosterone long enough you will eventually die or be killed.

Is there a way for you to keep in touch with your natural masculine side and still present a calm and educated, carry a big stick walk softly attitude.

Most men who are masculine are gangsters or motorcycle gang bikers, how can the common man tap into his masculinity without fear of losing civility in himself?
 

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Mr. Unique said:
shut up idiot, What kind of stupid question is that.
rofl QFT!

reps to you (extremely weak rep power though lol)
 

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Be how the hell u wanna be... just don't be a pvssy. have a backbone. n don't take sh*t from no one. Look at donald trump..
 

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Mr. Unique said:
shut up idiot, What kind of stupid question is that.
Yep , this whole discussion is kinda retartded.

<edit> I misspelled "retarded". What a goof.
 

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ssj245 said:
because male behavior is destructive in nature. If you act or act apon your testosterone long enough you will eventually die or be killed.
Most men who are masculine are gangsters or motorcycle gang bikers, how can the common man tap into his masculinity without fear of losing civility in himself?
No, you can never be sophisticated or intelligent. But there are intelligent sophisticated masculine men out there.
 

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ssj245 said:
because male behavior is destructive in nature. If you act or act apon your testosterone long enough you will eventually die or be killed.
You're thinking of primal man at the mercy of his instincts. We (or at least some of us) have evolved since then and can control ourselves.

I think some of the replies have been unnceccesarily harsh but you need to get rid of this idea that masculinity and primal behaviour are the same.
 

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ssj245 said:
Is there a way you can be sophisticated and educated and classy and still be masculine, because male behavior is destructive in nature. If you act or act apon your testosterone long enough you will eventually die or be killed.

What the hell?

What makes us "man" is that we're above all the other known animals in terms of brain power. Sophistication, education, intelligence and reasoning ability is what makes us man, not some ooga booga drag lady to cave and pound on chest nonsense.

Male behavior is not destructive in nature. Look around you. All that sh1t you see is all created by men. We build. We innovate. The few really destructive among us are just the defective ones that get put into the limelight. And what happens when we do destroy something? We build it again - bigger & better.
 

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LOL that is one funny question. Of course a Man can Be MASCULINE but at the same time have Class, Style, and other what todays culture defines as "gey" things about him without being GEY to any point. Why if we just were all manly we wouldnt shower, bathe, or even speak properly, it would be caveman talk or something like that.

Im not saying im perfict but I do enjoy plenty of MANLY thing most which involve engines. Cars, Boats, Planes, Etc. Every sport I do involves some form of engine lol. On the other side I love computers, A good book, trying to like style a bit, and making sure I look good and presentable, and which my friends at work always think funny, I love to Ballroom dance. Swing, Salsa, Tango, Hustle, ChaCha, Waltz, Romba, etc. they are all fun and once you get good enouth at it... ya... Like that girl in Take the lead said. "Its like Sex on Hardwood". Everyone can grinddance and all that crap (imo) but when you really get the moves down and lead like a pro, it can be a real fun and sexy time.

If you havent seen it, go see "Take the Lead" and other than the kinda predictable plot it follows, it shows a lot of what the real ballroom dance is all about. I enjoyed it a lot. Now if only I can get a girl and another guy worthy of that 3 person tango.
 

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Lol

Well thank you for your opinions, and those who had reposnses that were a bit unfriendly well you dont understand my point, plus you are just being ignored.

I was reading a post from Pook who was saying that testosterone is what makes men masucline. Masculinity is just a way of acting which comes from the presesce of testosterone in your blood. A person with lesser amounts of testosterone will act more female.

This is straight from Pooks post. There has also been scientific studies of about people who take more risks and face more danger on a day to day basis have more testosterone ppm in their blood.

Now it also says in Pooks post which he used science to support his statements that a man with lots of testosterone will want to exercise and not sit down, to move around and take risks, he would not want to sit down and study or analyize. Its more Action and less studying seduction material.

If a man must have testosterone to be masculine and if being masculine by having large amount of testosterone makes us active and physical rather than mental and anyltical. Then there must be a point that if we keep recieveing testosterone that we will lose all of our thinking abililties since the chemical enduces action rather than thought.

But common man must find a balance between his testosterone telling him to do what he wants or do what society expects. A man who listens to his testosterone will not be the same guy who sits at home and embodies passive qualties.

If you look at a thug, you know that he has given up his attempt to be civilized and he has given way to his natural instincts of greed personal satisfaction and riches and sex.

Those who build society are very special people, most people dont do sh*t in society except demand and demand. Yeah people who built those buildings did so because they where paid,not out of any goodness, but for money their check they got.

Civilized, most people are not civilized, are you joking me. Look at hurican katrina, people posted up high powered sniper riffles and started shooting cops because they where angry. There are so many example of human chaos in the absense of forced order.

When order is removed human nature is to move toward chaos. Ever hear of enthropy. The idea that all things in nature move towards chaos.

Now when a man must subconsciencly pick bewteen masculinty or what his body tells him to do or what his mind tells him. There becomes a conflict. Society tells him that he must do so and so, while his body urges him to do something completly diffrent. Which side will the man listen to?

How many times do you tell yourself, man I wish I could go and beat that guy up and hit him with a bat in his face but you dont, for fear of repurcussions from the legal authorites.

But the desire for destruction is there. Its just only our minds that stop it from happening.

When men take risks when it comes to women, our bodies are telling us to go and talk to her but our mind keeps saying no.

In the army they teach men "You are much stronger than you mind beleives it is" The army teaches men to remove the civilized thinking so that shooting people doesnt seem dramtic as it would to you or me.

Cave men never had problems killing other humans, it was just a part of nature, you vs me. They never thought about it, it was just another day.

If you teach a man to not listen to his mind then he will naturally degress towards chaos and cave men animalistic behavior.

To be successful with women a man needs to be more free and on the spectrum of animalistic to civilized. He has to be a little more to the animalsitc side, it will help him take risks, scoff at rejection, treat women more like just pieces of as*s and not people whose feelings are to be considered.

But then a man must also be sohipsticated but the two can never coexist.
James Bond is a movie actor, there is a reason why all the guys love him.

Most guys in the army, when you talk to them, you can smell that there out for blood when ever there in the zone or out on the field. Thats how humans where 10,000 yrs ago all the time.


Imagine how ODD it would be when you took a guy who was just in a foxhole and you changed him up quickly into a suit and tie and he was teleported into a ball room full of socialites. I can just imagine what must be going through the male, a complete frame change. From chaos to high order. The two forms of 'James bond masculinity and James Bond sophstication cannot be present at the same time" He has to shift frames and act 'properly' and lower his animalistic desires.

This was an extreme example.

The trial that every man faces is to remove what society tells us what we must do vs learning to listen to what our bodies want when it comes to women.

My questions was how do you find the proper balance between the two and how would a man remove what his mind tells him that keeps him from being successful with women

Men must find a balance between trying to be what society wants and what women want vs what our bodies want.

Right now I want to go approach a thousand girls but my mind tells me no, if you fail society will laugh at you and your value will be lowered. So I think about it twice. Every man has a reason for not approaching.
 

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What you just posted meant absolutely nothing. You discuss this hypothetical extreme where testosterone completely shuts down thought, that extreme never occurs in praxis, and you'd die from the chemical imbalance and the cancer it causes long before you'd be an emotion driven zombie.

Furthermore, grounded in science means jack ****, there are tons of conflicting scientific theories on behaviour, there's numerous different schools of psychology and you've narrowed it down completely to one. And what Pook says means ****. He makes smart points, but I wouldn't take everything he says too literally.
 

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ssj245 said:
My questions was how do you find the proper balance between the two and how would a man remove what his mind tells him that keeps him from being successful with women

Men must find a balance between trying to be what society wants and what women want vs what our bodies want.

Right now I want to go approach a thousand girls but my mind tells me no, if you fail society will laugh at you and your value will be lowered. So I think about it twice. Every man has a reason for not approaching.
Once you understand and can internalize what society, women and your body wants will you be better able to cope with the conflicts that arises. The way you look at it all will undoubtedly lead to conflict. Your statement that chaos and high order can not possibly exist together is a limiting belief. Obviously the two can not exist at the same instance. But shifting between the two isn't necessarily impossible.

The main reason why you feel that someone cannot move from chaos to high order is because you reason that a person living in chaos will not have a clue about high order and vice versa. It will only be so if that person is totally clueless as to what the other side is and does not know how to cope in that situation. Human beings however are very well capable of adapting. We are beings that can reason, analyse and understand our environment. Why is then so impossible to you to be able to understand both sides of the spectrum? To be able to adapt to chaos and shift to high order.

Do not fall into the trap of believing that there's only one absolute. If you do so, then a sophisticated man will never be a masculine man to you. You choose to see things the way you do. Many people see things in absolutes. To them there is no gray area, there are no exceptions, there are no variables.

Finding balance is always difficult. You'll have to consider many things, you'll have to 'solve' glaring conflicts and you have to be able to get what you want at the end of it all.

But here's the crap shyt with the way you're approaching things. The conflict that you believe exists is the result of your mind telling you to do things so that you will get women, but at the same time your mind is also telling you not to do those things because it's not who you are or you don't believe in doing those things or because society will deem you as lame. You want women, but you are unable to face whatever consequences there may be in getting them. This will lead you NOWHERE.

One other thing. It seems as if you place a little too much importance in the idea of getting a woman. It's like it has become a 'quest' instead of a 'hobby'. Of course being in a long term relationship is serious business, but when you're going after a girl or just dating them, it's supposed to be fun business. I do understand that it's hard to treat being rejected and blown off as being fun business. But is it supposed to be serious in the first place?
 
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