Bulking on a Veggie diet

[ShyRyder]

I’m not 100% strick with my veggie diet but I’d like to slowly phase out all non-organic animal ingredients in my food/supplements with the exception of fish. I’m kinda struggling with meals to eat. I eat a lot of salad covered with chick peas but I need more of a repertoire.

You guys got any recipes for high protein veggie meals.

 

[Warboss Alex]

Lentils, peanut butter and nuts in general, quorn, dairy (if you eat it), tempeh, tofu, soy ..

Sorry mate, your choices are a bit limited. Yes, vegetarians can get big but it's not easy. (not so much physiologically as that you have to eat a lot of very bland, boring food)

 

[ShyRyder]

Originally posted by Warboss Alex
Lentils, peanut butter and nuts in general, quorn, dairy (if you eat it), tempeh, tofu, soy ..

Sorry mate, your choices are a bit limited. Yes, vegetarians can get big but it's not easy. (not so much physiologically as that you have to eat a lot of very bland, boring food)

Yah I got tofu and soy milk. I dont know what lentils are but i'll look into it. Like peanut but hated peanut butter as a kid I guess i'll make sacrifices.

Thats the thing I wanna become the best vegiatarian cook ever and blow peoples minds when i prove that stereotype wrong. If it is even wrong. I tried playing with a couple recipes but i'm not that creative in the kitchen yet, so i don't know how to improve it.
got any recipes?

 

[Bible_Belt]

http://ksteveh.tripod.com/menu.html

http://vegetarianbodybuilder.ipbhost.com/

 

[RaWBLooD]

Originally posted by ShyRyder
I’m not 100% strick with my veggie diet but I’d like to slowly phase out all non-organic animal ingredients in my food/supplements with the exception of fish. I’m kinda struggling with meals to eat. I eat a lot of salad covered with chick peas but I need more of a repertoire.

You guys got any recipes for high protein veggie meals.

Just a bit off-topic, but can you explain why you are still eating fish if you want a veggie diet? start a topic in anything else if you wanna discuss otherwise just say its personal .

BEANS are your best friend tho, beans lentils and all kinds of legumes, id stay away from the salad, as you will already be full from all the other stuff full of fibre you will be eating and you dont need a leaf to stuff you up more.

 

[RaWBLooD]

Just wanted to add that if you are eating fish, the tuna will prevent any protein deficiences, but if you leave tuna as a sidedish all those vegetables and fruits will prove to give you many more carbs than you need, so if you are going to have to have short bulk periods and do nice lengthy cardio for your cut periods.

If you will keep tuna as a main food then i dont see much you can do differently than any one of us.

 

[manuva]

Tuna is good drills for protein, and is a better all round protein source than various florae.

Stick clear of anything made from soy - it's not a good idea for men to consume soy. Do a search on it, there's been a few threads on this topic quite recently.

 

[RaWBLooD]

Originally posted by manuva
Tuna is good drills for protein, and is a better all round protein source than various florae.

Stick clear of anything made from soy - it's not a good idea for men to consume soy. Do a search on it, there's been a few threads on this topic quite recently.

I dont believe its a good idea for anyone to consume soy, unprocessed soy is poisonous

 

[ShyRyder]

Bible_Belt thanks for the links.

RaWBLooD Yah Going crazy on the beans should give me a good source of protein.

I’m still eating fish because fish don’t go through the factory farming process in the same why as other animals do. I’ve seen one too many Documentaries and TV shows with David Susuki about the hazards of factory farming. These companies have no respect for life/animals so I aint gonna support them. Plus I’m realizing that a lot of my beliefs are the same beliefs held by Rasta’s. Beliefs such as a deep love of nature which man is apart of where god exist within instead of same distant place beyond the stars. I’m not a bible person so I’m going to have to talk with more Rastas before I give up organic meat with the exception of fish.

Yah tuna is good but I wish I didn’t have to get the one in the can. I’ve heard things such as high mercury levels but I guess sacrifices have to be made. I’m going to kill the tuna sandwiches until I get sick of tuna.

Manuva – I used to worry about soy lowering my testostone count but after reading this article my conscious was at ease. http://www.ast-ss.com/articles/article.asp?AID=236[/url

 

[simon]

http://www.theomnivore.com/The Soy Page.html

 

[manuva]

Originally posted by ShyRyder
Manuva – I used to worry about soy lowering my testostone count but after reading this article my conscious was at ease.

Really? How much of it did you read?

Unlike dairy proteins, SPI does not exert an anabolic effect on muscle....

One recent study has shown that SPI supplementation may actually retard muscle gains when consumed as part of a high protein diet.

Interesting.

It does have some reassuring information about soy's effect on estrogen levels, but then this is still being hotly contended by many other scientists and doctors of similar expertise.

From a bodybuilding perspective, protein metabolism research demonstrates that soy exerts very little effect on the mechanisms that build muscle tissue, and some data suggests that SPI supplementation promotes the loss of protein within the body. This effect would definitely impede a person’s ability to recover and build muscle during training.

Worth considering.

 

[Bible_Belt]

True Rastas avoid both meat and alcohol. Having spent some time in the Caribbean, I would say that most "rastas" are just wannabes. The term has come to mean any guy with dreads and a funny hat. The influence of American culture is too strong for vegetarianism to be widespread. And almost everyone I met drank alcohol as well. Quality rum is about $6 for a 750ml bottle. If there are real Rastas left, they would most likely be sustenance-farming. And yes, they do smoke a lot of pot, if anyone is wondering. One of the funniest scenes I remember is some old men sitting on milk crates smoking a joint the size of a cuban cigar, directly underneath a sign that said "No loitering. Violators will be prosecuted." There are virtually no police, and if there were, they would not care at all. This is in the south Caribbean, btw, not in the Jamaica/Bahamas tourist traps - those are good places to get arrested for pot by the corrupt local authorities who just want your money.

 

[MetalFortress]

www.mikemahler.com

Big and very strong vegan guy.

 

[ShyRyder]

Manuva- Yah I skimmed the article a while back when I was convincing myself to go veggie. I guess my eyes shut when I was reading the negative aspects of soy. My man concern when I was reading it was lower testosterone and increasing estrogen. Right now I’m not as manly as I’d like to be, the thought of my testosterone count dropping freaked me out.

As far as the muscle gains are concerned I’m at a loss. I’m not the best fish cook and getting enough protein in my diet without soy products will be very difficult. You can only do so much with beans.
does soy protein isolate include
Soy milk?
Hard tofu?

With most of these scientists they are doing research trying to prove/disprove a question that was given by the company funding them. So if the milk company pays some scientist to find benefits in milk and faults in soy there going to be bias in a more scientific way. So I don’t put too much faith in any of them. The best way to find out is from peoples own experiences, so I’m going to have to do my research.

Bible_belt- There is no such thing as a true Rasta. Other then the fact that a Rasta seeks truth. Most Rasta’s do avoid alcohol but I wouldn’t consider a Rasta who drinks less then anyone. The attraction for me is that you supposed to seek truth for yourself rather then be dictated too. How can we all have the same values and morals when we are all different?

 

[manuva]

It's honestly going to be tough going getting enough protein from a vegetarian or vegan diet.

Protein consists of amino acids. There are twenty or so amino acids, depending on who you ask. Exactly 8 of those amino acids are referred to as Essential Amino Acids, that is they are essential for our bodies, and we will not develop muscle without them.

Meats, eggs, and various whey proteins are advertised as being 'complete proteins', which means they contain all of the necessary amino acids to promote growth.

Many vegetables are often labeled as have protein in them, or having a 'high protein content'. While this is not untrue, it is not exactly true either. Many vegetables contain a variety of amino acids. The only vegetable known to be a complete protein source is soy, of which the benefits are, at very best, debatable.

So, to obtain a complete spectrum of protein from vegetables, the key is variety and quantity. Remember those two key words and you should be able to bulk up at a reasonable rate.