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But aren't you,that is the board,supposed to have all the answers? Aren't I supposed to know alot of this stuff through experience? I feel like the dog chasing it's own tail. I mean,I have this serious anxiety/worry that I am not attractive or desirable,like I don't possess the traits,whatever they are,and it could be a mental thing. Something I can't control. Growing up,there were no girls vying for my attention,no random sex or ******* offers. Also,I read about the impact of porn,and how it interferes with all this stuff,like mechanically,and worry if it's affected me. It could be my own values,I often wonder if I am even maybe a bit of a prude,or have a more traditional look on things than others.

And I should have results next week sometime...
 

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CapedCrusader08 said:
But aren't you,that is the board,supposed to have all the answers? Aren't I supposed to know alot of this stuff through experience? I feel like the dog chasing it's own tail. I mean,I have this serious anxiety/worry that I am not attractive or desirable,like I don't possess the traits,whatever they are,and it could be a mental thing. Something I can't control. Growing up,there were no girls vying for my attention,no random sex or ******* offers. Also,I read about the impact of porn,and how it interferes with all this stuff,like mechanically,and worry if it's affected me. It could be my own values,I often wonder if I am even maybe a bit of a prude,or have a more traditional look on things than others.

And I should have results next week sometime...
We will have all the answers for you when you get a job and stop living rich off your parents.
 

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CapedCrusader08 said:
But aren't you,that is the board,supposed to have all the answers?
Answers are useless without will and energy to carry them out. I'm telling you to get patched up so that you have the will and energy.

I mean,I have this serious anxiety/worry that I am not attractive or desirable,like I don't possess the traits,whatever they are,and it could be a mental thing. Something I can't control. Growing up,there were no girls vying for my attention,
Because you are depressed. Those feelings are completely messed up. I know because I was like that too. Now I don't feel like that anymore. I've gotten my depression under control. I simply feel normal. Its very comfortable. :up:

And I should have results next week sometime...
Get the results. Get the proper treatment you deserve to be normal.
 

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Guys u can't try and push this guy, he is expecting for us to grab him on the wheel barrow and wheel him through life and all his troubles, We can't do that. He can only do that and what would b the joy of life if everyone just wheeled u through it, whats the point of existing. I want this guy to do well to, but he has to do this on his own. If he peforms action and needs advice sure help the guy, but don't try to wheel him through every obstacle when he is expecting u to do all the action for him.
 

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I am interested in seeing what the results of his appointment will be. If it does turn out that he's depressed, then once he gets some appropriate treatment we should see some really profound improvements, as long as he's willing to try.
 
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Well,why would I not be depressed? I wake up every day,and feel miserable. And I have read up on symptoms about it,and I have alot in common.

See,thing is, I don't want someone to take me by the hand and guide me. Doing the actions,achieving the goals,generallt being less lazy has been my problem. This I feel transfers over to other parts of life. Including a sex life,or lack of at the time being. I am willing to try,but for so long,there has been this feeling of being behind,disconnect even. I can't fully explain it.

It's all these anxieties as well. Things like what is a man? Being a man etc. As well as the frustrations of women,sex,etc. I have been worried that my own inexperience would be obvious. But see,I have always wanted more than just going out and banging random girls,oh sure,it's a nice idea,but I want a commited,long term,faithful,trustworthy partner,who is realistic and isn't a mean spirtited,manipulative ***** obviously. But it even seems that idea is poo-poo'ed around here,for it is too afc. All I ever wanted was one girl,not in "oneitis" way,but an obvious realistic way.

I mean,reading alot on here has made me see things differently,yet,my problems still remain there. The main one being lack of chicks to bone. And I'm not one to believe in this purity/holier than thou stuff either. Also,I never really thought so much about my interactions with others before coming onto here.
 

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If you believe you are depressed, you will become depressed. You will find symptoms,you will find similarities, you will formulate your own life to fit the definition of depression PERFECTLY. You will do this because it will feel as if you found a CERTAIN answer. You become what you believe you are.. that is why you have trouble.

You are focusing on BONING CHICKS, instead of Yourself. When men focus only on women they FAIL! You are focusing too much on women and not yourself.

Even though life is ****ty, you cant live in pity... people in this world strive on your misery.
 
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Well,perhaps that's my problem. How do I focus more on myself? About what you said about becoming what you believe you are,I actually meant to post about avoiding doing that.
 

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Well,why would I not be depressed? I wake up every day,and feel miserable. And I have read up on symptoms about it,and I have alot in common.
And you do absolutely nothing about it. Complaining and polluting sosuave.net will NOT solve your problem. If you want to stop being miserable then do something about it. Have you gone to the doc? My guess is no.

I am willing to try,but for so long,there has been this feeling of being behind,disconnect even. I can't fully explain it.
You don't believe in what this site teaches and you don't believe in yourself. That is the disconnect. There is no try. There is DO and DO NOT. (I think that's a Star Wars quote. lol)

It's all these anxieties as well. Things like what is a man? Being a man etc. As well as the frustrations of women,sex,etc. I have been worried that my own inexperience would be obvious. But see,I have always wanted more than just going out and banging random girls,oh sure,it's a nice idea,but I want a commited,long term,faithful,trustworthy partner,who is realistic and isn't a mean spirtited,manipulative ***** obviously. But it even seems that idea is poo-poo'ed around here,for it is too afc. All I ever wanted was one girl,not in "oneitis" way,but an obvious realistic way.
This is why I am here as well. I would like the company of a single woman that is worth my time and affection. In order to achieve that I have to work my ass off. A quality woman is attracted to a quality MAN who knows how to handle himself, other people, and especially her. And so I come here reading, asking questions, to learn what it is that means and build myself up as I've always wanted to be. Then I go about my business trying out things and seeing what works for me. Once I see something works, I keep it, improve it, and move on to the next thing.

I mean,reading alot on here has made me see things differently,yet,my problems still remain there. The main one being lack of chicks to bone. And I'm not one to believe in this purity/holier than thou stuff either. Also,I never really thought so much about my interactions with others before coming onto here.
You can find all the answers here. But they are useless without action.

I can give you the blueprints to a house, but does that mean the house exists? No. Blueprints by themselves are completely useless but with the proper action they are used to build a magnificent structure.


You already have the answers. Now figure out HOW to apply them then apply. You should focus on nothing else but your objective. Your objective is to be the strongest, most charming, smartest person you can be. Your objective is to shine no matter what. To be positive and have boundless energy as you pursue your dreams. Your focus is on yourself and building yourself.

Its NOT going to be easy. Thats the whole point. Strength comes from overcoming hardship.
 

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I can relate to your identity crisis. I've had several lays throughout my life and although I've been depressed for quite some time I always treated life like a movie to rationalize it, I've attracted women this way and friends and done decently socially thanks to this mentality. I know where you're coming from. You're probably one of those over-analytical and self-critical people, analyzing every personality facet and identifying yourself with different mental labels/identities and trying to associate them with a particular form to please the masses, I do not exactly what you're talking about and it's driven me to insanity too my whole life.

However, I continue to fight and smile anyway, and bear and grim it. Do the same in the meantime, fake it till you make it if you have to. Personally most people view me as a confident relaxed guy and like to be around me, but inside I feel like a quivering volcano but I fake it anyway. You can do this for a while and experience moderate success, but later on you'll take the same road I just recently took: true self improvement.

I just started meditating to see if I can find my center, the observer of the observer, if you will, and I also do Tai Chi now. I haven't fixed myself, no, I still have tons of social anxiety that I suppress but it's all about taking one step at a time. Excercise, working out, some form of mental relaxation, whether it's meditation, choose your fancy. Judging by your posts though I'd get on the meds immediately just as a stepping stone to get you going. I just recently got on Celexa (no reason to feel ashamed) and although it's only been one day I can say with confidence (no placebo effect) that it's increased by happiness very very subtley and it's only the beginning, although side effects being a decrease of libido (not a problem for you, since you're not getting laid anyway) and appetite (shame for me since I'm trying to bulk up, but I heard the side effects eventually evaporate.)

That's my two cents, best of luck to you and remember, become more of an action oriented person instead of theory and concepts. I've done my fair share of drugs and got lost in the mist of theories and concepts and it's turned me into an over-analytical quivering mess. Spend more time moving around than thinking for improvements. Doesn't matter what you do, move your feet more than your head. We live in a society that's droned itself with technology (less movement) and it's doing a killer on a lot of people. Beat it by getting in touch with your primitive side (working out/moving) and use the anti-depressants.
 

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Jesus...I was actually feeling guilty about not being here to help you with your progress, and what do I see?

Not only did you not complete anything I asked you to do, but you filled this thread with 2 pages of fvcking garbage.

I'm out dude. I'm not wasting my time anymore with you. The advice I've given you is good enough to get you started anyway. All i was going to do beyond that was have you created weekly goals and report how you acheived them or what kept you from acheiving them.

So, when you really want to change (when you WANT to change you WILL change, trust me on that), you can come back to this thread and read the advice I've given you and apply it. I can't help you anymore. You have to help yourself.

Also, for more info, read the following book:

Shut up, stop whining, and get a life by Larry Winget
 

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Well,perhaps that's my problem. How do I focus more on myself? About what you said about becoming what you believe you are,I actually meant to post about avoiding doing that.
WTF kind of a question is that? How do I focus more on myself?

You cannot avoid it becoming what you believe. Look at yourself. You believe you are a loser, and I can honestly say this really is the case. It works the other way too.

Now I'm going to agree with Vypros and say goodbye. I thought I could get you to move your ass and do something productive. I guess not. Sucks for you.

Enjoy your nightmare of a life you protect so much. I've got better things to do with my time.
 
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Look,I do want help and advice. Some of the stuff I post on here,is the only place I can. I am trying to be more productive. I have a hard time getting there though.

"Strentgh comes from overcoming hardship." Well,that says alot. I really want to change,I don't know what more I can say. I have called a therapist,and am beginning to get a list of goals together. But there is still something else,something that asks why and what for? Maybe I am beyond the help offered here,but am drawn to it due to a sense of normalcy. This post struck me:

I can relate to your identity crisis. I've had several lays throughout my life and although I've been depressed for quite some time I always treated life like a movie to rationalize it, I've attracted women this way and friends and done decently socially thanks to this mentality. I know where you're coming from. You're probably one of those over-analytical and self-critical people, analyzing every personality facet and identifying yourself with different mental labels/identities and trying to associate them with a particular form to please the masses, I do not exactly what you're talking about and it's driven me to insanity too my whole life.

However, I continue to fight and smile anyway, and bear and grim it. Do the same in the meantime, fake it till you make it if you have to. Personally most people view me as a confident relaxed guy and like to be around me, but inside I feel like a quivering volcano but I fake it anyway. You can do this for a while and experience moderate success, but later on you'll take the same road I just recently took: true self improvement.

I just started meditating to see if I can find my center, the observer of the observer, if you will, and I also do Tai Chi now. I haven't fixed myself, no, I still have tons of social anxiety that I suppress but it's all about taking one step at a time. Excercise, working out, some form of mental relaxation, whether it's meditation, choose your fancy. Judging by your posts though I'd get on the meds immediately just as a stepping stone to get you going. I just recently got on Celexa (no reason to feel ashamed) and although it's only been one day I can say with confidence (no placebo effect) that it's increased by happiness very very subtley and it's only the beginning, although side effects being a decrease of libido (not a problem for you, since you're not getting laid anyway) and appetite (shame for me since I'm trying to bulk up, but I heard the side effects eventually evaporate.)

That's my two cents, best of luck to you and remember, become more of an action oriented person instead of theory and concepts. I've done my fair share of drugs and got lost in the mist of theories and concepts and it's turned me into an over-analytical quivering mess. Spend more time moving around than thinking for improvements. Doesn't matter what you do, move your feet more than your head. We live in a society that's droned itself with technology (less movement) and it's doing a killer on a lot of people. Beat it by getting in touch with your primitive side (working out/moving) and use the anti-depressants.

Perhaps my last post was misunderstood. On another note, The part where he mentions pleasing the masses, my feelings are the opposite. I could care less about the that. I have this whole thing about seeing people as followers,buying into these stupid notions reinforced by society at large. As for mental relaxation,well,for a long time now, I have turned to alcohol for that,which has brought it's fair share of problems. One including an accident,I was drunk,hit two parked cars,and got arrested,and am currently dealing with that,and another incident,one that has become the burden of alot of pain and anguish for me,and something I really haven't told too many other people about,but in march of 2 years ago,there was a bunch of us,drinking, and this one person,who I thought was a close freind,someone who I more or less had been through alot with,even with all his b.s, did something although seemingly stupid,really pissed me off. I was taking a piss,and he kicked me while I was,rather humiliating me. So I got pissed off and started going off on a tirade towards him. He did it again,and when I fought back and tried to stop him,he pinned me down,choking me. I was more pissed off than before. So to make a long detailed story short,it ended me,when in a fit of drunken rage, getting in my car,trying to ruin him over,and ruining my car. Not something that is just easy to shake.

I mean, I have been trying to get better, trying to find some way,but instead,find myself on here looking for answers.
 
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If you want to know the honest truth, you're attached to your "victim" identity. I use to do that. It's not healthy. Deep down you are attached to being a victim of life simply because you feel more comfortable and it's a more familiar ballpark to think pessimistically and whisk the days away. I secretly enjoy pessimism too, and although the thoughts still exist in me I just keep moving forward and accept them. Next time you have negative thoughts and it starts a chain, view the thought unbiasedly and stare at it straight in the face and see where the thought is coming from. Your source (true essence behind your "victim" facade) it actually creating them because it knows you aren't fulfilling your potential and you're copping out on your own powers, so it's nagging you with thoughts until you take action. Does that make sense?

As others have said I know what it's like, over-complicating your own problems, you can continually say "oh no it's not this. There's more to it. It's more complex than that." Yeah man we know, i'm the master at creating internal enigmas, but it comes down to action and change or no action and change, period. Get it together or don't. Every resistance to the advice actually doesn't exist, it's just your victim identity trying to keep itself going because it's comfortable in that ballpark, it's a form of ego actually and your expansion and excuses don't exist either.

In reality none of the identity crisis facades exist. You have your essence, your ego is just drawing the lines between each identity and creating segments, but enough inner focus will show you that you were free all along and none of the barriers exist, they're mind created. I haven't fully actualized it either but I'm getting closer on my spiritual path, I went from getting laid and having a fake ******* facade, to completely ripping my personality apart and starting from scratch and requestioning: WHO AM I? Basically screaming for an answer. You'll know who you are once your mind is fully at one with your body and that's why physical activity, meditation, tai chi, working out, etc. is all good because you're too up in your head mentally I had the same problem but am feeling improvements. As soon as you can look at a girl in the eye without a pinch in the stomach, and feel happiness while talking to her without anxiously thinking "Am I making a good impression? What persona should I show?" You'll know you made it. I haven't fully yet but I'm getting flashes, so work at it man.
 

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It obviously hasn't struck you yet. Words are only associations, they don't solve problems. Only physical action does. You don't need anymore advice or answers.
 
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yes,action,physical action,etc. Action,in whatever form,has been my problem. Lack of it. Getting over the barriers,achieving the goals,etc, that's what I have wanted. But they're is still this nagging feeling of being behind,inexperienced,and missed out in life. Things like really figuring out who I am etc,wanting to belong,but not to the expense of being a sucker or a doormat. growing up, it's like I felt like I was out of sync,not normal,not sexually normal,as in getting laid all the time,but is that even reality? the dating,the experimenting,etc. Or am I just looking in the wrong places?
 

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CapedCrusader08 said:
yes,action,physical action,etc. Action,in whatever form,has been my problem. Lack of it. Getting over the barriers,achieving the goals,etc, that's what I have wanted. But they're is still this nagging feeling of being behind,inexperienced,and missed out in life. Things like really figuring out who I am etc,wanting to belong,but not to the expense of being a sucker or a doormat. growing up, it's like I felt like I was out of sync,not normal,not sexually normal,as in getting laid all the time,but is that even reality? the dating,the experimenting,etc. Or am I just looking in the wrong places?


You should go backpacking for a couple months.
 
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I need to do something. I mean,this pattern,is getting to me. Living at home,being angry,etc. Like I need a change.
 

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CapedCrusader08 said:
yes,action,physical action,etc. Action,in whatever form,has been my problem. Lack of it. Getting over the barriers,achieving the goals,etc, that's what I have wanted. But they're is still this nagging feeling of being behind,inexperienced,and missed out in life. Things like really figuring out who I am etc,wanting to belong,but not to the expense of being a sucker or a doormat. growing up, it's like I felt like I was out of sync,not normal,not sexually normal,as in getting laid all the time,but is that even reality? the dating,the experimenting,etc. Or am I just looking in the wrong places?

The nagging feeling exists because you haven't taken action. This isn't rocket science. Also a lot of people drift through life with the masses and then hit the age of 40 and reach a serious crisis and go "WTF did I do with all my time, who the **** am." Even the ones that get laid a lot. The fact that you're contemplating and realizing you're not getting what you want out of life is a good thing. Get going.

I feel like I've missed out a lot on life too. That's why I quit VGs and soon enough I'm going to quit the computer and get myself out there. I seriously think that although these forums are good, attachment to them is worse. Being addicted to advice. A lot of guys sail through and get women without any advice. Pook was right when he said "Get off the forums and get living." It's really that simple. Now I just need to get over my computer addiction. I don't think the screen is a good thing, it desensitizes you and keeps you separate from reality, and then makes reality itself uncomfortable. That's my theory on what it did to me anyway, see, it's hitting me now, so i'm going to be making some drastic changes.

Be happy you too are going to make drastic changes and change your life and not wait until later like some people do. Life is short and gets faster and harder as you get older.

Write this on your hand. "Action. Action. Action."
 

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CapedCrusader08 said:
I need to do something. I mean,this pattern,is getting to me. Living at home,being angry,etc. Like I need a change.

Come and escape for awhile in Asia. Get out and live your life.
 
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