Being realistic.....

Joined
Sep 27, 2008
Messages
524
Reaction score
3
I did start listening to some of that Eckhart Tolle stuff,very good. I am going to post that list of goals,but I am tired right now,I am trying to think more positivley,but there is alot of self limiting beliefs and lack of confidence's I feel I have yet to overcome in time.
 
Joined
Sep 27, 2008
Messages
524
Reaction score
3
Well,here is a list of goals.

Long Term Goals:

1.Go to school,and get a degree in writing/filmmaking.
2. Move out,get my own home,move onto a better paying job/career
3.Hopefully,find someone to marry and start a family with

Mid term goals
1.Become a more open,social happy person,and not waking up every day with the sense of anger,dread,worry and anxiety I currently have been going through.
2.Get better at managing and handling my finances
3.Get a new car

Smaller goals:
1.Get in touch with a therapist,or at least someone to help put alot of things into better perspective for me.
2.Try to get a good social network going
3.Try and set up something with an organization of some sorts

I am trying to limit the negative stuff,but it's part of me. I have realized what the problem(s) is/are,but getting over alot of it has been the struggle. I have this sense of defeat instead of victory. Alot of it stems from this constant sense of loneliness and isolation,and with valentine's day coming up,it just reinforces alot of that. On a side note,and don't scold me,just here me out,it was my day off,and on day's off,I am just in lazy mode,I was watching oprah earlier,and they had an episode on why men cheat,and it brought up alot in me. Things like people,women,taking an interest in you,something I wouldn't know. So there in lies another problem.
 

horaholic

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jul 12, 2008
Messages
2,260
Reaction score
79
Why dont you call a therapist right now? If they dont answer, call another one. This is honestly the most important thing you need to do right now. Pick up the phone right now, and call, then report back.
 

Vypros

Master Don Juan
Joined
Mar 19, 2007
Messages
634
Reaction score
16
Ok, you've managed to cut out the BS from your list of goals, now let's refine them a little further and get a real, usable list that you can work off of...

CapedCrusader08 said:
Well,here is a list of goals.

Long Term Goals:

1.Go to school,and get a degree in writing/filmmaking.
2. Move out,get my own home,move onto a better paying job/career
3.Hopefully,find someone to marry and start a family with
For number 1: "going to school" is a given if you are wanting a degree in writing/filmmaking. So let's cut that out. Also, are you going to dual degree with both subjects? Make a major out of one and a minor out of the other? You need to specify that (or make a decision--listing a goal as one or the other isn't helping you because you are going to take different paths to get to one or the other). So, your task is to cut out the "going to school" part (that's a given) and to make a clearcut decision as to which degree you want.

For number 2: This is actually two goals in one. So let's split off the "get my own home" part from the "move onto a better paying job/career" and make those two separate goals. "Move out" isn't really needed because if you get your own home, it's obvious you will be moving into it.

For number 3: There is no "hopefully." You are either going to do this or you are not. This is your list of GOALS here. Not a list of your hopes and dreams (although the two should probably resemble each other a bit).

So, for the long term goals, try this (remember to make the decision in number and repost it):

1. [you'll have to write this one, as I can't decide for you which career you will go into]
2.Get my own home
3. Find a better paying job/career
4. Get married and start a family

(something else to think about..."start a family" is kind of general. How many kids do you want? Where do you want to live? This is your life. It's good to think about these things in depth and have a general idea what you want in a family, because these are things that will work into compatibility when you are choosing (yes, CHOOSING, not "lucking out" or "hoping") a mate.

CapedCrusader08 said:
Mid term goals
1.Become a more open,social happy person,and not waking up every day with the sense of anger,dread,worry and anxiety I currently have been going through.
2.Get better at managing and handling my finances
3.Get a new car
For number 1: This is like 2 or 3 goals wrapped into one. See below for how I would personally split this up.

For number 2: This is a one of your best goals yet, but it's still a little vague. Think more about HOW you can "get better at managing and handling" your finances and make THAT your goal. (For example, you could instead say something like: Get out of debt, begin an investment program, and save "x" amount of money--this is a mid term goal, so remember your "x" will be in terms of a year. You'll catch the monthly/per paycheck value in your short term goal list)

Number 3 is fine the way it is.

So, for Mid terms goals, let's refine your list:

1. Become a more social person
2. Find happiness within myself
3. Remove negative thoughts and beliefs about myself from my thinking
4. [this is your old number 2 that you need to rewrite--perhaps in more than one goal--based on my comments above]
5. Get a new car

(Question: At this point are your mid term goals feeding back into your long term goals? The social/happiness/removing negative thoughts will help you acheive your "get married" goal. Getting your finances in order will help you acheive your new home. What is missing? You have no mid term goals pertaining to your job/career. So you need to add some goals that specifically deal with that here--what you hope to achieve careerwise in one year's time)

CapedCrusader08 said:
Smaller goals:
1.Get in touch with a therapist,or at least someone to help put alot of things into better perspective for me.
2.Try to get a good social network going
3.Try and set up something with an organization of some sorts
Here's where your goals come unglued, methinks. Which I kind of expected that because, well, if you knew this part you wouldn't be so hopeless and negative all the time. This is fine.

Number 1 is important. "Getting in touch" is not what you want to do. You want to FIND a therapist, not just get in touch. So we'll refine that one

Number 2 is a complete throwaway goal at this point. That's not a specific thing you can do right now (or in the coming month). This is too general. At this point you need to list HOW you intend to get a social network going. Are you going to go onto http://www.meetup.com and join the groups there? Are you going to volunteer at a local community org? Are you going to join a gym? Are you going to join a club? Are you going to play a sport, pick up a social hobby, etc.? List these things. Get them out there for you to see.

Number 3 is a little better, but WHAT organization, specifically, are you going to join (not "set something up" that's too general and vague and you can avoid that and put that off).

Short term goals:

1. Save "x" amount of dollars per paycheck.
2. Pay "x" amount of dollar to debts (list them separately--you don't have to put names here, but you need to make the list) [remember your mid term goals]
3. Read "x" book about social interactions (my suggestion: "How to Win Friends and Influence People")
4. FIND A THERAPIST (make an appointment and set the date)
5. Take the negativity challenge (no negative thoughts for 10 days, if you have a negative thought, the clock restarts and you start over)
6. Go to car lot and figure out what car I want
7. Make a plan for how I intend to pay for the car.
8. Go to "x" social venues per week. (get yourself out there)

Remember, this is just my suggestions. You can refine what I've listed here (and add to it if you want) to fit your pace and timeframes and personality.

CapedCrusader08 said:
I am trying to limit the negative stuff,but it's part of me. I have realized what the problem(s) is/are,but getting over alot of it has been the struggle. I have this sense of defeat instead of victory. Alot of it stems from this constant sense of loneliness and isolation,and with valentine's day coming up,it just reinforces alot of that. On a side note,and don't scold me,just here me out,it was my day off,and on day's off,I am just in lazy mode,I was watching oprah earlier,and they had an episode on why men cheat,and it brought up alot in me. Things like people,women,taking an interest in you,something I wouldn't know. So there in lies another problem.
Negativity in and of itself is not a huge problem. it's ok to be negative about yourself once in a while. In fact, you need that negativity in order to grow. The problem with you is that it has consumed you and paralyzed you. We need to get you reframed and get you thinking of your negative qualities in a more positive manner so that you can work with them and overcome them (or learn to live with what you CAN'T change).

***

That covers the goals. Now I set forth for you a new task:

Task 2:

--Refine your goals (again) based on my comments and come back and repost your new list. We're going to work with them until you get them right. (You have 2 days to do this)

--Find a therapist. (Find as in call them up, set a date for an appointment, and go to the first meeting) (You have 3 days to set the appointment and post about it here)

--Set a date for which you intend to set your goals into motion. I'd say to give yourself about a week, and make your start date on a Monday. (You have 2 days to do this and I expect this with you new list of goals)



There you go. You now have new tasks. I don't want to hear excuses. I don't want to hear bull****. You can find a therapist in 30 minutes if you just pick up the phone. revising your goals shouldn't take you more than an hour at most I would think. This is all acheivable in a day or two, but you have up to 3 days to do these things.
 
Joined
Sep 27, 2008
Messages
524
Reaction score
3
Ok. First thing I will do is set something up with a therapist. But still,alot of problems remain the same,problems that by all means,could have been solved with more getting out more,or trying to even just get laid more. I haven't had sex in close to 3 years now. So obviously,I have some hang up's and insecurities,I haven't even gone out and tried all that much these past few years. I have always worried that there has been some sort of lack in certain social skills even,and it always seemed like everyone else was getting lucky and I wasn't. I sound like that guy in highschool....
 

Alle_Gory

Master Don Juan
Joined
May 25, 2008
Messages
4,201
Reaction score
79
Location
T-Dot
CapedCrusader08 said:
Ok. First thing I will do is set something up with a therapist. But still,alot of problems remain the same,problems that by all means,could have been solved with more getting out more,or trying to even just get laid more. I haven't had sex in close to 3 years now. So obviously,I have some hang up's and insecurities,I haven't even gone out and tried all that much these past few years. I have always worried that there has been some sort of lack in certain social skills even,and it always seemed like everyone else was getting lucky and I wasn't. I sound like that guy in highschool....
Dude. Wrong way.

Focus on what you CAN do, not what you can't and then do it. If you fail, repeat until it gets DONE.

Your goal is to be the most assertive, positive, energetic person you know. You CAN do so. You're already got lots of energy in you, its just the wrong kind because you focus on it.


The therapist is a good first step. It will help you deal with the negative stuff that is dragging you down.


Hobbies. What do you like to do? What do you find fun or interesting.
Career. What is it you do? Why did you do it and why do you enjoy it? Is there something you can do to enjoy it more or take pride in your skill?
Social. What was the best social event you have been to? What was awesome about it? What were you like? What did you do to make people around you enjoy themselves and your company?

Think about things like that. Positive stuff. Replace "I can't" with "How can I do this? How did I do it before? Yes I can!" It's a slow and gradual process but don't give up man. It's not going to happen overnight but it CAN and WILL happen.
 
Joined
Sep 27, 2008
Messages
524
Reaction score
3
That's the part that has always gotten me down. The notion of I could have done it sooner,but it's harder and harder cause so much time has gone bye. And the notion that everyone else is more succesful and ahead of me and more experienced. It feels like I have been waiting for it to just happen or overnight,but when it doesn't, I get more frustrated.
 

Alle_Gory

Master Don Juan
Joined
May 25, 2008
Messages
4,201
Reaction score
79
Location
T-Dot
CapedCrusader08 said:
That's the part that has always gotten me down. The notion of I could have done it sooner,but it's harder and harder cause so much time has gone bye. And the notion that everyone else is more succesful and ahead of me and more experienced. It feels like I have been waiting for it to just happen or overnight,but when it doesn't, I get more frustrated.
Stop thinking about it. Blank your mind if it gets really bad. Its only going to breed more frustration and that gets you nowhere and fast.


Focus on the carrot. Whatever you want that to be. That's all you should be thinking about. HOW can I do this? HOW can I do this easier? HOW can I be more effective? These are things you should be thinking about. Focus on what it is you want to accomplish so bad.

Be positive. Constructive.

You must focus. You can and will do it.

Now. Answer as many of my positive questions as you can and I will give you more positive questions. I'm not asking for anything, I'm asking you to do something for yourself.

There's another thing you can do. Listen to Tony Robbins. Really upbeat and positive guy. His advice is sometimes watered down and AFC when talking about women, but other than that REALLY good stuff.


Questions I want you to answer:

Do you remember the last time you were really happy or excited? What were you happy or excited about? What did you do, how did you react to people? How did they react to you? What led you to be this happy?

If you could do anything right now, what would it be? Why? Why is it fun or exciting to you?

When was the last time you felt good about helping someone out? What did you help them out with? How did they react? What can you do to repeat that right now? To help someone who accepts your help.
 
Joined
Sep 27, 2008
Messages
524
Reaction score
3
Last time I felt really excited,hmm,I guess when I went out for new year's. I went out with some people,got real drunk,and my worries went away for a little bit. Then I woke up the next day,and it was the same crap all over again.

If I could do anything right now,get laid. Cause I haven't been,in a while.

Well,I help people out through my job basically,it's retail,customer service,so I basically help people through that. When I am at work,and this is probably because it's become the outlet it has,I feel more energized,probably cause up and out of the house doing something. But when I am off,or out of it,I feel more depressed. It's been more so that way the past 2 years. God,that's a long time gone bye,and the problems remain the same.
 
Joined
Sep 27, 2008
Messages
524
Reaction score
3
Boston Ma. Oh ****,I hope no one ends up trying to stalk me!!! Also,I am getting concerned about the effect porn may be having on me,in that it has made me a bit angry over certain things,and how it just show's people banging. Which is a nice idea,but it's not real. It makes you think that's all there is to it,and there are no motions/notions/emotions involved.

I was reading this : http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=156892, and it makes me see what steps if you would,I feel I do not possess. Like there is something that's held back within me. I mean, I have always felt I want sex and I want it now, and if you aren't getting that,something is wrong,you're a loser,not attractive,not lovable,etc.

I must say, I haven't always been the easiest person to get along with,and have enjoyed pushing people's button's and pissing them off from time to time,so that's been somewhat a problem as well. It's this loneliness thing.

I mean seriously,I feel more and more like travis in taxi driver and that sense of disconnect,that sense of wanting to belong,but not getting it. I mean tonight,I had no work,so what did I do? I stayed in and watched some porn online,so that's a sense of where my life has been at.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Sep 27, 2008
Messages
524
Reaction score
3
work is the one time I feel even a little bit happy. I had the day off,I went out,in town,and was more miserable as usual. It's hard when everyone else has someone else,and you seel these couples together,and have been with each other for so long and whatever. And you see them in a row right after one another,and all that. I have been waiting for things to go right for some time now. It's frustrating. It makes you re-evaluate what you have been doing and think you have been doing it all wrong. Esp with it being valentine's day weekend.
 

theunflushables

Master Don Juan
Joined
May 28, 2007
Messages
1,105
Reaction score
20
CC08, just think of it this way. You are seeing only a fraction of these people and their relationships. Who knows, maybe one is cheating on the other, maybe one is about to dump the other, maybe they are going to go home in get a giant fight. You can't base your perception of reality by a fleeting glance at a "happy couple".
 
Joined
Sep 27, 2008
Messages
524
Reaction score
3
What are my plans? What do I want in life? Where am I at or where am I going? I honestly don't know right now. I feel my view of things may be skewered due to just how I see things. I see things as other people are succesful/better off than me,I am stuck. It's all a matter of getting up off my ass,but even that presents it's struggles.

I even wonder if I fit the standard definition of an afc. I mean sure when I was younger I thought girls were just great and dandy,now,I think most of them are stupid and don't know they're place. I also wonder if I have misconstrued some of what I have read on here. I mean,I never tried to win chicks over with money,or drinks or anything. Hell,I don't even remember even trying all that much to begin with. Due to depression or whatever,I was convinced I wasn't having or had sex,so I must be a loser,and it became this obviously twisted self image, which is another issue.

I mean,I have so little experience,that I often worry that's what would turn girls off. I mean,maybe it's been the way I dressed,or I am not as good looking as I would like to be,or I haven't found whatever I can use to pull em in as they say.
 

PhunGar

Don Juan
Joined
Mar 15, 2008
Messages
69
Reaction score
0
DJVladdy said:
1. Alot
2. Yes
3. You are looking realistically.

Time to stop looking realistically, and start moving your ass.


agreeed


woah some heated arguments here

maybe if you spent a little less time on the computer complaining and get out more
i know my brother is more of a dj than i am and i had chicks all over me still do, to the point where i didn't' even have to make a move. Im obviously alot better looking than my brother, it is very clear that but yet he seems to be getting a few more than me how so?

the key is ive noticed with him is that he is a very sociable guy, people are attracted to him becuase he is light hearted he doestn' care he just fluffs around all day. Maybe try loosen up a bit and ease on the negativity.
 

Mr_rogers

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Mar 27, 2006
Messages
485
Reaction score
5
Location
Ontario, Canada
Dude, I started applying something new today. Maybe it'll help you, too.

I think we can both agree that you battle constantly with negative thinking. You say that you're angry and depressed. I think that most of what's holding you back is your negative thinking, and there's a way to beat it.

Negativity is like a monster. It's a creature, a demon, that lives inside all of us. It's pure evil, and it is hell bent on making your life as miserable as possible. Its only goal is to make you feel worse and worse, day after day until you finally can't take it anymore and put a bullet into your brain, or hang yourself, or what have you.

Everyone has their demons to fight. Your problem is that you've been letting yours push you around for too long. Like me, you've let your negativity rule your life for a long time. So long, in fact, that you can barely imagine living any other way.

What I'm doing here is telling you that there's a way to beat this thing. This monster, this sneaky, evil, lying, manipulating **** can be beaten, but you're going to need to be ready to fight it. You'll need to fight it today, you'll need to fight it tomorrow, and every day after that. It's something you'll need to do until the day you die. But the good news is that it gets easier with time.

As an example, I really dislike my job. It's an eight hour per day bore. It's very hard to get up in the morning and go, but I'm managing. You know how? When I get up and that bastard demon starts saying to me, "You could always call in sick. It's only one day of pay anyway." I instantly banish the thought and think to myself, "No, I want that money so I can pay my bills, fill my stomach and work toward my goals." I tell that demon to **** off, and you need to do the same thing.

So the next time you're nervous to talk to someone, tell that demon that's feeding your insecurities to get bent. The next time you're down on yourself because you're single, tell that monster where to go and be grateful for what you have and work toward your goals.

It's not easy at first, but it's a battle that needs to be fought. It's you or that demon, man. Are you gonna lay down and let it run your life?
 

cw92

Don Juan
Joined
Dec 18, 2008
Messages
119
Reaction score
7
Alle Gory, im sorry but your wasting your valuable time and advice. It is all falling on deaf ears.

EVERYONE WHO WASTED THEIR TIME AND EFFORT CLICK BELOW


http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=156373

Please stop with your efforts, and focus them on people who will actually attempt to change.
 
Top