being a man

[organizedconfusion]

whats with all this mumbo jumbo about testosterone and
this and that? "being a man" ..
when i was 22- forced to work on a remote island-
lifting concrete blocks for workouts,doing 300 push ups
every morning before work,having to walk a mile there
and back in freezing cold weather,working for like 12 hrs.
doing s*** like cheap woodworking,freezer work and
processing sea food. no woman, no fun,no nothing.


either you worked out ,worked ,slept ,or played cards.
i became more of a man through that experiance alone
then reading any book or watching any video quite honestly.
and in that process it had NOTHING to do with
attracting woman, being seen as attractive to woman
or anything remotly close to anything concerning woman.
i was more concerned about bears and wild life
and coming home to my family.
i had to break up fights almost on a daily basis
while avoiding some of my own, i had to do alot
of s*** that required me to no longer be a "boy"
but to be a man about things.And grow up basicly.


if anyone of you guys are trying to be a "man"
with the sole purpose of just being attractive to
woman and how you are seen by woman...
you might have to rethink your motives.
being with a woman is a part of being a man,
but it's NOT the only thing that makes you a man...

IF YOU ARE A MAN WHEN YOU ARE WITH A WOMAN-
ARE YOU A MAN WITHOUT ONE?

A WOMAN CANNOT COMPLETE A MAN-
IF THAT MAN IS NOT YET COMPLETE HIMSELF

that means if you have all these issues and gapping
holes in your ego concerning whatever..
she will NOT complete you as a person, all you
are doing is using her to fill in the gap where you lack;
for some people it's alcohal,drugs,whatever.

and if any of you newbies need a book to tell you how woman are
without actually have even been with a woman..
i really suggest you go out and be with a few of them
before trying to discover the cosmic miracle mystery
behind them. I can almost guarantee that you'll
learn everything you need to know in after about
a few weeks by just hanging around them and being
with some of them.Now don't get married/fall in love or
look for a "mommy" now..just get your feet wet,test the waters..



relying soley on DYD ,SS,RSD,MM material without having
some actual experiance under your belt with woman first
is not the best route to take.

experiance lays the foundation,Material polishs it off
and completes it the process.

trial & error with girls are the best tools to make you
become more and more resiliant towards them,
i think too many guys are afraid to get their hearts
broken or egos bruised so they don't even try anymore.
they'd rather read an e-book or practice standing taller
of making "faces" in the mirror.

you can read about how to "pretend" to be a man
OR you can actually do things that naturally make you into
a man...that will make you more attractive as a person
overall AND get your life on track.


Girls can spot it in a milisecond the kind of guy she's dealing with
so even if you are fooling yourself , you ain't NEVER gonna fool her

it's your choice guys...
i give up -i am tired of giving advice

 

[Jariel]

Great post! I've never been fond of the oldfashioned view that men should be macho, but I do agree that a man should be self-confident and able to stand on his own two feet.

And yes, this is something that develops with experience, or (in your case) necessity, not some act to impress a woman.

5 stars from me.

 

[organizedconfusion]

thanks-

i just read alot of posts and i think that some guys are
under the impression that reading something will make
them into a man and more attractive to woman.

if the foundation of a house is weak and unstable ,
it makes no sense to try to make up for it by making
it "look nice."

you wanna be super attractive to woman?
go out , learn a trade,work hard,sweat it out
and work for what you want in life.
that'll make you into a REAL MAN and all the natural
attributes of being a real man will come to the surface
on it's own.

who would you rather be?
the guy who bases his entire existance & identity on "getting laid"
and is quite successfull in dealing with woman-
but flails his arms and runs around like an idiot during an emergency...
OR the guy that does whats needs to be done..in ANY situation-
and chicks dig him just for being him...

 

[GuitarOnFire]

It's true. The house of hard knocks will transform you into a man better than just reading some of this site.

Experience is always better than tips and tricks.

 

[Jay-X]

hey organized, great post!

just out of interest, how come did you go work to that island?

 

[esoteric]

Excellent post about the importance of true experience over tricks and methods.

One of my favorite segments of Neil Strauss' The Game is when Tyler Durden approaches Style (Strauss) and asks him how he managed to pull in this extraordinary woman (a woman who ends up becoming Strauss' LTR). Durden remarks that he could never get a girl like that no matter how many methods he relied on.

"What's your secret?" he asks Style.

Style's response? "I have life experience."

Experience is the best teacher, bar-none.

While I am completely with you, OC, when you talk about reorganizing priorities if a guy is trying to "increase his manhood" simply to prove himself to a woman, I think you miss the mark a bit in the second half of your post.

I've never wanted to memorize lines, or run methods, but the fact of the matter is that many of the guys who are really struggling with gaining experience with women can't even get the door open. They can't learn through experience because the experiences are simply closed off to them.

In that way, the AFC has to learn to run some of the techniques before experience ever comes. Without those techniques (and the confidence that can attend them), the woman with which he wants to gain some experience with just walked away from him.

Additionally, if the seduction stories culled from sources like Speed Seduction communities and even this place are to be believed, women do indeed fall for these techniques and methods.

Great post. I agree, inner game and becoming a man simply because that's what we're supposed to be should be the focus. But being a man doesn't necessarily mean that a guy's going to be able to seduce the opposite sex. As you said, that's just one aspect of manhood. One that I, personally, have yet to acquire even the faintest clue in.

 

[organizedconfusion]

my friend thought it was a "bright idea" that we should
sign up for it-
prior to that job-we were both managers for a produce processing plant,and were looking for work.

Turned out to be quite an ordeal just getting there!
a two hour ride down there in a small airliner,then another
30 minutes to the island! dude!
i felt like i was in prison or something.
i once had to wrestle a shot gun from one of the managers
that was getting into a fight during a drunken bonfire brawl-
this was one of many fights and arguments...
too much testosterone! grr!

fun stuff

 

[organizedconfusion]

Originally posted by esoteric
I've never wanted to memorize lines, or run methods, but the fact of the matter is that many of the guys who are really struggling with gaining experience with women can't even get the door open. They can't learn through experience because the experiences are simply closed off to them.


i think the Seduction/Dating materials are great for guys
that have a hard time with getting girls.
but i still suggest that they gain experiance first...

how do you gain experiance when you can't even
get your foot in the door?

you don't have to be in a relationship or sleep with a
girl to learn about them.I'd suggest making friends
and hanging out as much as you possibly could.
Watch their reactions, how they are ,their moods, etc.
just being around girls makes you comfortable overall
in their presence and they kinda loose that magical
"oh my god i can't even talk around girls" aura to them.

no one has ever had girls as friends that you can just
hang out with?

say you have 6 female friends and just hung out with them,
no sex , nothing serious. just hung out with them like
dudes and just did things with. Thats a ton of
experiance- just being with around chicks will boost up
confidence! Trust me.






In that way, the AFC has to learn to run some of the techniques before experience ever comes. Without those techniques (and the confidence that can attend them), the woman with which he wants to gain some experience with just walked away from him.


At the root of the AFC is a weak masculine identity and insecurities.
If not then whats with the clingy,deperate ,needy behaviors?
my thing is that if he works on that issue DIRECTLY-
then everything else falls into place.
techniques and routines become more conrgruent because
the confidence in oneself is already established.
inner confidence is what AFC lacks,not just with woman
most likely, but confidence in general.Which is okay, no one
is perfect. Building that core confidence is key,not
just with woman but in general.If you feel like
crap and think like crap all the woman in the world
will never change it. But if the lack of confidence
is centered around talking and approaching woman
and NOT just a cover up of an issue- then of course
routines/techniques would be valuable in helpping him gain the
experiance in talking to woman he's looking for.


practicing routines and lines will get you results no
doubt.but Having core confidence helps out tremendously.




But being a man doesn't necessarily mean that a guy's going to be able to seduce the opposite sex. As you said, that's just one aspect of manhood. One that I, personally, have yet to acquire even the faintest clue in.

he would'nt need to ,it just happens naturally.
my cousin got out of the marines and we hung out for a week.
it was amazing how many girls he just talked to and
shoot the sh*t with, he didn't even have to try and they
responded instantly.All he said was "hi" or just started talking :crackup:
b*stard!

i myself has seen this way too many times and has done it before to think otherwise.

 

[Marlimus]

good post

Excellent post, organizedconfusion.

 

[organizedconfusion]

thanks everyone

 

[bbestar]

look at it this way, if your game is real tight...
You can pull chicks who would rather have been with a rockstar, or a singer or athelete.

 

[Boner da Stoner]

great post

but what I look for is more than just looking to be a man, I am looking to be THE man. THE man who can pull hundreds of different stunts and pull girls in wild ways.

I don't simply want to be what I was SUPPOSED to be, I want to be more. I want to be the LEADER that everybody looks up to. I want to be the guy that everybody talks about behind his back, but are too scared to say it to his face. I want to be the guy who people come up to and tell me blah blah blah this girls a slut, before I even think of macking her. The man who people come to to tell their stories to impress me.

I came to this site to find the path to the land of women. Where I am the man who lays on my throne. Women only hear of my expeditions and they hunt me down, just to see if I am the real thing.

Not being a man, I never could reach those points. But being more of a man, following techniques and learning the underlying processes is what I've strived towards.

Being a man is like mathematics. You can learn how to count, and than subtract, divide, and multiply. You all know the saying add the girl subtract clothes, divide legs and as a caveman hope to multiply(or as a nympho who can't afford child support, hope not to). I on the otherhand know about all that, the FOIL method has become obscenely simple, it's part of my daily habit. I yearn for the challenges.

 

[buckwheat18]

I think this is worthy of bible material right here.

 

[organizedconfusion]

Originally posted by Boner da Stoner
great post

but what I look for is more than just looking to be a man, I am looking to be THE man. THE man who can pull hundreds of different stunts and pull girls in wild ways.

I don't simply want to be what I was SUPPOSED to be, I want to be more. I want to be the LEADER that everybody looks up to. I want to be the guy that everybody talks about behind his back, but are too scared to say it to his face. I want to be the guy who people come up to and tell me blah blah blah this girls a slut, before I even think of macking her. The man who people come to to tell their stories to impress me.

I came to this site to find the path to the land of women. Where I am the man who lays on my throne. Women only hear of my expeditions and they hunt me down, just to see if I am the real thing.

- only a life full of dynamic experiances-
full of failures as well as success will bring that type of character
development. Are you willing to do what it takes to get to that
level? the good,the bad ,the ugly?

Even when theres no one to help you up-when you are down and out-
against all odds?

even when the only one you have to trust ...is yourself and your instincts in order to get ahead?

even if the road you have to take is a lonely one in order to
achieve greatness?



i have,
trust me-my spirits been crushed many many many times
before. and i am still at... it in spite of it
i help out as much as i can- i know exactly
how it feels to hit rock bottom and looking for answers where there seems to be none.
nothing feels quite like reaching the top....

coming from rock bottom

 

[MightyMate]

Not bad post mate