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I've been doing solo sessions at night, because I think it's best if I'm not reliant on wings, I need to be able to stand on my own two feet no matter where I am.

I went out for a quick solo session yesterday, and it was really bad. I realized I've been using wings as a crutch. With a wing, you can just walk around looking for two sets to approach, and you never REALLY have to do groups. When you go out solo, you have no option but to do the groups at night because walking around looking for solo girls is not an option.

In the club and on the street, I'm getting pretty bad approach anxiety approaching the groups, it doesn't seem to be going away.

Is there anything that I can do about this approach anxiety? Or is the answer just "man tf up and do it if I want to get results from these solo sessions?"

Also, I still don't *totally* understand the flow of how to bring girls back for sex when you're solo and they are out in groups.

My goal is to master the solo session so that I'm not using wings as a crutch ever again.
 

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Alright, let's figure this out.

Get specific:
  • How late at night are you making these approaches?
  • Are you literally approaching these girls on the street while they're walking to and fro? Or are you talking to girls in the bars and clubs?
  • What are you saying to these girls? What are they saying to you in response?
  • What are the friends in these groups doing/saying when you approach the one you want?
  • Are you attractive? By this I mean you're dressing well, you're tall or at least not short, you're fit or muscular, still have your hair, don't have f***ed up teeth, some other physical disability that might be impeding you
  • Are you going after girls you're actually interested in or are you just trying to get more reps?
  • Are you really getting blown out a bunch or are you just overanalyzing and focusing on a few failures that demoralizes you?
  • What do you think is going wrong?
 

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I've been doing solo sessions at night, because I think it's best if I'm not reliant on wings, I need to be able to stand on my own two feet no matter where I am.

I went out for a quick solo session yesterday, and it was really bad. I realized I've been using wings as a crutch. With a wing, you can just walk around looking for two sets to approach, and you never REALLY have to do groups. When you go out solo, you have no option but to do the groups at night because walking around looking for solo girls is not an option.

In the club and on the street, I'm getting pretty bad approach anxiety approaching the groups, it doesn't seem to be going away.

Is there anything that I can do about this approach anxiety? Or is the answer just "man tf up and do it if I want to get results from these solo sessions?"
Immersion. I usually cold approach in the day time. After doing 20 or so, the nervousness should mostly go away. You'll always be a little nervous, and that's because you have to watch out for a potential boyfriend, family member, a friend, store manager, etc.


Also, I still don't *totally* understand the flow of how to bring girls back for sex when you're solo and they are out in groups.

My goal is to master the solo session so that I'm not using wings as a crutch ever again.
Granted I have not been anywhere near successful in the last year, but I would not force anything. I just have conversations and see how the conversational flow goes.
 

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Stop thinking of ' approach anxiety'....you're not a Pick up artist, you're a Grown @ss man who just want to socialize and get to know people. My advice is to not just socialize with the women, but also talk to the guys and all sorts of people there to warm you up. You've got to have a mindset that you're not just there to meet women, but meet a variety of people and experience life and have a great time. I suggest you buy and read the book ' How to meet friends and influence people' by Dale Carnegie for some basics. Imagine your guys like Jimmy Fallon, Jay Leno and Conan O Brien and you're entertaining guests. Also watch this channel for inspiration. His channel not only deals with talking with women...but becoming a great socializer with a diverse amount of people.

 

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Stop thinking of ' approach anxiety'....you're not a Pick up artist, you're a Grown @ss man who just want to socialize and get to know people. My advice is to not just socialize with the women, but also talk to the guys and all sorts of people there to warm you up. You've got to have a mindset that you're not just there to meet women, but meet a variety of people and experience life and have a great time.
This is blue pill ideology, not red pill ideology.

Being a pickup artist is an overall positive thing. Pickup artists are focused on seduction and having sex.

Many men are seeking sex when they go to a nightlife venue. @nicksaiz65 is a well known poster on this forum. I am confident that he is seeking sex when going to a nightlife venue.

Building social connections has value but not in that way. He's on a targeted mission at a nightlife venue.

When you go out solo, you have no option but to do the groups at night because walking around looking for solo girls is not an option.

I still don't *totally* understand the flow of how to bring girls back for sex when you're solo and they are out in groups.

My goal is to master the solo session so that I'm not using wings as a crutch ever again.
When you are out solo, you are going to have to approach women in groups of any size. I don't recommend groups larger than 3. Women in groups larger than 3 are rarely serious about finding men for sexual opportunities (either that night or at a later time).

Groups of 2 are tough when solo because you are most likely to connect with 1 of the 2 women more than the other. It makes isolation much more difficult.

Groups of 3 are the best. You will connect with 1 the best. When you isolate that one from her friends, her other 2 friends can continue to socialize.

If you want to bring women back to your home for sex, you will need to isolate her from her friends. Then, you'll need to do kino escalation and then invite her back to your place. To get her back to your place for the same night sex, it is easiest if you are doing pickup at venues that are walking distance from your place or a less than 10 minute rideshare app ride from your place.
 
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What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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I find its a mixed bag. you'll either have 1 person really actively against you talking or sometimes (30-35% of time) the entree group is like "alright cool whatever" and lets you do your thing or entire group just isn't into it and makes it a big thing. just depends. guess thats why they call it "Cold"
 

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Try situational openers. Make a joke or some other clever statement based on something that happens. Requires walking around to various places, so you’re not just sniping people going by or standing in some store corner being a creep. Obviously a city would be best for this.
 

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Try situational openers. Make a joke or some other clever statement based on something that happens. Requires walking around to various places, so you’re not just sniping people going by or standing in some store corner being a creep. Obviously a city would be best for this.
nah, just go up to whoever. situational openers in big groups people still know you're hitting on them
mode one!
 

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nah, just go up to whoever. situational openers in big groups people still know you're hitting on them
mode one!
I’m sure there’s a single grandma in western Pittsburgh that would work great on
 

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I literally cold approached a group of two girls by myself and had a threesome with them that night. It’s not that hard, just be confident.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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I literally cold approached a group of two girls by myself and had a threesome with them that night. It’s not that hard, just be confident.
Have done that a few times too. But in a bar setting. Actually a third time, they came to me in college, the literal day after she screwed my roommate. I skipped that one.
 

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Alright, let's figure this out.

Get specific:
  • How late at night are you making these approaches?
  • Are you literally approaching these girls on the street while they're walking to and fro? Or are you talking to girls in the bars and clubs?
  • What are you saying to these girls? What are they saying to you in response?
  • What are the friends in these groups doing/saying when you approach the one you want?
  • Are you attractive? By this I mean you're dressing well, you're tall or at least not short, you're fit or muscular, still have your hair, don't have f***ed up teeth, some other physical disability that might be impeding you
  • Are you going after girls you're actually interested in or are you just trying to get more reps?
  • Are you really getting blown out a bunch or are you just overanalyzing and focusing on a few failures that demoralizes you?
  • What do you think is going wrong?
Ok. Sorry for the delay, but let’s get some background going here.

1.) My Nightgame approaches are done between 11 AM and 3 AM.
2.) Both. I game inside the club and on the street outside of the bars/clubs.
3.) I’m approaching directly like JMULV or AG Hayden. Something along the lines of “hey I thought you were cute, wanted to meet you” or “Hey, I wanted to meet you real quick.” I could get a range of responses from an instant blowout, to a conversation that goes nowhere, to the girl going home with me if she finds me attractive. I’m asking basic questions and trying to flirt during the interaction. If it goes well, I try to invite them back for drinks. I’m still working on my verbals.
4.) I’m still dealing with the issue of the friends dragging her away tbh: whether in 2 sets or large groups. Assuming they don’t instantly block.
5.) I’ve bought a new wardrobe so I think the fashion is going pretty well. I’m 5’10”. I’ve successfully lost 25 lbs via low carb but still have a lot to go. My BIA scale puts me at 25.5% bodyfat, which is still way too high, but I do at least have some muscle to back it up. I’m still dieting aggressively using keto so I’m working on getting this down because it is definitely holding me back. I’ve mastered my hair as well, I style it in 360 Waves(African American.) Again, the biggest issue here is the weight, I’m still currently in an aggressive dieting phase.
6.) If I find a girl unattractive, I skip the approach. I just approach the ones I’d want to bring home.
7.) I don’t feel demoralized because there have been successes: but I want to have those successes more often.
8.) Not totally comfortable going out solo yet so I need to do that very often and not use wings as a crutch, be self sufficient(Currently doing a go out every day challenge to accomplish this.) I’d like to improve my verbals and have just more of a solid strategy for bringing home girls instead of just winging it. Not getting instantly blocked by the groups. Getting my BF% into the “athletic” range to be more attractive and I get more “bites”(though that is just doing the keto diet for a few more months.)
 

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This is blue pill ideology, not red pill ideology.

Being a pickup artist is an overall positive thing. Pickup artists are focused on seduction and having sex.

Many men are seeking sex when they go to a nightlife venue. @nicksaiz65 is a well known poster on this forum. I am confident that he is seeking sex when going to a nightlife venue.

Building social connections has value but not in that way. He's on a targeted mission at a nightlife venue.
It’s definitely a mission haha.


When you are out solo, you are going to have to approach women in groups of any size. I don't recommend groups larger than 3. Women in groups larger than 3 are rarely serious about finding men for sexual opportunities (either that night or at a later time).
I do like that solo sessions force you to do the groups. When you go out with wings, you can just go around looking for two sets all night and never truly have to do the groups.


If you want to bring women back to your home for sex, you will need to isolate her from her friends. Then, you'll need to do kino escalation and then invite her back to your place. To get her back to your place for the same night sex, it is easiest if you are doing pickup at venues that are walking distance from your place or a less than 10 minute rideshare app ride from your place.
I’ve heard from a friend that he’s had success asking the group if he can borrow the friend(after vibing) and then pulling her from there.
 

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1.) My Nightgame approaches are done between 11 AM and 3 AM.
Sounds good. The women that are there closer to closing time are usually the ones who are there to meet somebody.

2.) Both. I game inside the club and on the street outside of the bars/clubs.
I probably wouldn't bother with the street. You might be seen as a nuisance for getting between them and their destination rather than talking to them AT the destination.

3.) I’m approaching directly like JMULV or AG Hayden. Something along the lines of “hey I thought you were cute, wanted to meet you” or “Hey, I wanted to meet you real quick.” I could get a range of responses from an instant blowout, to a conversation that goes nowhere, to the girl going home with me if she finds me attractive. I’m asking basic questions and trying to flirt during the interaction. If it goes well, I try to invite them back for drinks. I’m still working on my verbals.
Overall, it sounds good. Personally, I don't like the word "cute", as it sounds a bit childish - I like the word "gorgeous". It's not nearly as trashy as "hot" or "sexy" and has some class to it while not being as overly invested as calling her "beautiful" or something. Just don't get caught up in talking too much to fill the silence. If an interaction is going well, don't talk, just do fun sh** - take a shot together, bring her to the floor to dance, go in for the kiss, etc. Basically, try not to talk yourself out of a lay because you don't know she's interested in you and wants you to make a move.

4.) I’m still dealing with the issue of the friends dragging her away tbh: whether in 2 sets or large groups. Assuming they don’t instantly block.
If that happens and the girl you like doesn't make any effort to intervene/stop the friend/continue talking to you, then just let it happen. She's probably not interested enough, and even if she is that friend will be a headache all the way to the bedroom - if you even make it that far.

5.) I’ve bought a new wardrobe so I think the fashion is going pretty well. I’m 5’10”. I’ve successfully lost 25 lbs via low carb but still have a lot to go. My BIA scale puts me at 25.5% bodyfat, which is still way too high, but I do at least have some muscle to back it up. I’m still dieting aggressively using keto so I’m working on getting this down because it is definitely holding me back. I’ve mastered my hair as well, I style it in 360 Waves(African American.) Again, the biggest issue here is the weight, I’m still currently in an aggressive dieting phase.
You don't have to do anything crazy when it comes to clothes - just wear things that fit you snugly without being too tight or too small, and you should be fine, so long as you're not sporting K-Mark brand shoes or something. 90% of the time, my outfit consists of a well-fitted solid tee shirt (usually black) with no logos, straight jeans, a thin gold neck chain, and a clean pair of Nike Air Jordans.

I can't really speak on the hair because I'm white, and I don't do anything special with mine, so as long as what you're doing works for you.

It sounds like you would benefit most from tightening up your diet and exercise routine. What I do is extremely stringent, but I can share it if you want. Otherwise, intermittent fasting, eating at a caloric deficit, going to the gym 3-5x per week, and doing 20 minutes of cardio per day would probably do you wonders very fast.

6.) If I find a girl unattractive, I skip the approach. I just approach the ones I’d want to bring home.
Ok, good, we're here to f*** girls we want, not hit an approach quota.

7.) I don’t feel demoralized because there have been successes: but I want to have those successes more often.
Well that's everybody. As you saw in my other thread, I'm failing plenty and need to find some successes since my FWBs all kinda fell off at the same time. That'll come with time and exposure.

8.) Not totally comfortable going out solo yet so I need to do that very often and not use wings as a crutch, be self sufficient(Currently doing a go out every day challenge to accomplish this.) I’d like to improve my verbals and have just more of a solid strategy for bringing home girls instead of just winging it. Not getting instantly blocked by the groups. Getting my BF% into the “athletic” range to be more attractive and I get more “bites”(though that is just doing the keto diet for a few more months.)
One thing you could do to get comfortable being solo without a wing is to become a regular at 1 or 2 of your favorite spots that regularly have the kinda girls you're looking for. Befriend the bouncers, the managers, the bartenders, whoever. I did this unintentionally by being friends with the manager at that local college bar from back when I attended school there, and he would let me skip the lines any time he was working. I got to know the bartenders who worked those days and would frequently tip them well - now I quite literally have to throw my money at them for them to take it, and I'm often served before all others if they see me waiting. Beyond that, the fact that I was always skipping the lines meant the bouncers began recognizing my face and got to know who I was, so a lot of times I could skip the line without even having to let my manager friend know I was there.

Basically I'm saying to make friends at the places you're going to be, because it is some serious social proof when girls see you get served before them and watch the bartenders reject your money. Plus, since you're in a bigger city, you'll have options - unlike me with the college bar.

Personally, I'd only consider Thursday - Saturday as being worth going out, but if you're getting results on those other days and can afford that frequency, keep doing what you're doing. Just make sure you're not focusing too hard on this and neglecting other important aspects of your life.

As far as your verbals and bringing women home, picking up on those cues will come with time. You'll get blown out a lot, and you'll get maybes a lot, but it's really important you know how to recognize a sure thing so you don't ruin it by taking things too slow. I've recounted this story before, but I saw a really gorgeous girl moving through the crowd with her friend one time a few years back and stopped her to tell her I thought she was gorgeous. She stopped, let her friend go on without her, sat down with me, and gave me a longing silent stare any time I was talking. I recognized this, so I went for the kiss early, to which she was super receptive, then asked if I wanted to leave with her. This entire interaction lasted maybe 20 minutes - I remember because until I saw her, I wasn't interested in anybody and invited an old FWB to meet me at the bar (she wasn't happy when she got to the bar, and I told her I'd already left). So, learn to recognize and take yes for an answer.

Beyond that, it just sounds like you need to work on your physical appearance. It sounds like you're in an OK place, but you'll probably improve your results fastest just by presenting yourself better to these women - I think that's what will have the greatest ROI for you.
 

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I probably wouldn't bother with the street. You might be seen as a nuisance for getting between them and their destination rather than talking to them AT the destination.
Pure street game is more of a European thing than a United States thing. Most United States cities are centered around the automobile rather than public transportation or walking. United States culture is more on point about time whereas Europeans and Latin Americans have a different approach to the concept of time.

Weekends at a park or on a walking/hiking path will be better for stopping women and having conversations in most USA cities.

I'd only consider Thursday - Saturday as being worth going out, but if you're getting results on those other days and can afford that frequency, keep doing what you're doing. Just make sure you're not focusing too hard on this and neglecting other important aspects of your life.
Nightlife venue culture has changed gradually in the last 15 years or so.

There used to be more venues running specials for boosting the Sunday - Wednesday night crowds. In the 2000s, it wasn't unusual to encounter venues in larger cities that would have bigger parties on the off nights. I don't seem to see that much anymore from nightlife venues.

Most bars now get a substantial amount of business off of app or social media DM arranged 1st/2nd dates on Sunday-Wednesday nights.

There's even less of a culture of stranger approaching on Thursday-Saturday nights at bars. Some venues might also be getting app arranged foot traffic those nights too.
 

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Pure street game is more of a European thing than a United States thing. Most United States cities are centered around the automobile rather than public transportation or walking. United States culture is more on point about time whereas Europeans and Latin Americans have a different approach to the concept of time.

Weekends at a park or on a walking/hiking path will be better for stopping women and having conversations in most USA cities.



Nightlife venue culture has changed gradually in the last 15 years or so.

There used to be more venues running specials for boosting the Sunday - Wednesday night crowds. In the 2000s, it wasn't unusual to encounter venues in larger cities that would have bigger parties on the off nights. I don't seem to see that much anymore from nightlife venues.

Most bars now get a substantial amount of business off of app or social media DM arranged 1st/2nd dates on Sunday-Wednesday nights.

There's even less of a culture of stranger approaching on Thursday-Saturday nights at bars. Some venues might also be getting app arranged foot traffic those nights too.
I had some success yesterday morning in the gym at the cafe. Yesterday, (Sunday morning), a woman was looking at all the options in the fridge and asking the barista for advice on what had the most caffeine. I smiled and said, ‘coffee.’ She laughed and the barista did too. It was an easy opener. I then displayed social skills by talking to her and both baristas on the topic of the massive disparity in the cup sizes, and how I must have been a squeaky enough wheel to get iced coffee on the menu. On the way out, she turned with a smile and made a quip to enjoy my coffee. I could have started a conversation there but opted not to.

I think situational openers in mid day, at least in the United States, are the best type of approach in my experience, yielding the best results. I saw a guy get blown out on the street a few weeks ago trying to say he wanted to talk to her real quick and I felt for him, truly. Love the guts, but ouch.

The continuous pattern for me, when I do this which is really just when it’s there for the taking, seems to be, 1: be in a place of mutual interest, so you have material; 2: say something witty; 3: be non chalant so it’s off the cuff and not putting pressure meaning not immediately isolating, and then 4: if reciprocated, develop a few good minutes and grab the number and GTFO, as you supposedly should both be in the middle of something else and you want to look busy / be considerate.

my 2c. Curious about others on this
 

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I think situational openers in mid day, at least in the United States, are the best type of approach in my experience, yielding the best results.
I also think situational openers are good. It takes some time as an approacher to be able to do situational openers. Pre-rehearsed openers are good options until one can get good enough to do situational openers. Situational openers require some social skill. Social skill has been declining with the last 2 adult generations (Gen Y/Millennials and now Gen Z).

Millennials were the first generation where tech disrupted social skills significantly.

I'm an older Millennial (mid-1980s birth) and I can see a difference between my level of social skills and the tail end of the Millennial generation (1990-1996 births). The youngest Millennials now are turning 30 and in their early 30s. They are socially stunted, but so are the Generation Z's coming up behind them.

I saw a guy get blown out on the street a few weeks ago trying to say he wanted to talk to her real quick and I felt for him, truly. Love the guts, but ouch.
Not fun

The continuous pattern for me, when I do this which is really just when it’s there for the taking, seems to be, 1: be in a place of mutual interest, so you have material; 2: say something witty; 3: be non chalant so it’s off the cuff and not putting pressure meaning not immediately isolating, and then 4: if reciprocated, develop a few good minutes and grab the number and GTFO, as you supposedly should both be in the middle of something else and you want to look busy / be considerate.
That's a good pattern.

#1 can be tough. Some places are super generic, like a mall or a park/walking path. For me, #1 would most likely translate to a fitness class in the real world. Although nearly every fitness class format is majority female, most fitness classes are terrible for pickup. Women are not sociable before or after fitness classes.

#4 is important. Getting a few good minutes of conversations can help with predicting if an actual future get together is warranted. It's possible to immediately ask to spend time together but then it's possible to get stuck on a bad drinks date. Doing more initial screening can help with that. Additionally, I find that most conversations fizzle out before I can ask for a future interaction, get a number, and GTFO. Getting a number without a future interaction planned is worthless.
 
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I've been doing solo sessions at night, because I think it's best if I'm not reliant on wings, I need to be able to stand on my own two feet no matter where I am.

I went out for a quick solo session yesterday, and it was really bad. I realized I've been using wings as a crutch. With a wing, you can just walk around looking for two sets to approach, and you never REALLY have to do groups. When you go out solo, you have no option but to do the groups at night because walking around looking for solo girls is not an option.

In the club and on the street, I'm getting pretty bad approach anxiety approaching the groups, it doesn't seem to be going away.

Is there anything that I can do about this approach anxiety? Or is the answer just "man tf up and do it if I want to get results from these solo sessions?"

Also, I still don't *totally* understand the flow of how to bring girls back for sex when you're solo and they are out in groups.

My goal is to master the solo session so that I'm not using wings as a crutch ever again.

Approaching women is not a mission and they are not objectives to conquer. Your anxiety is not something to suppress by forcing yourself through it. It is a signal that your approach lacks authenticity and respect. If your goal is just to bring girls back for sex, no amount of practice will make that ethical. Women are not tools for your self-esteem and socializing is not about control. Instead of focusing on mastering solo sessions, you should focus on unlearning the mindset that treats human connection as a game with rewards and losers. This is not progress, it is regression.
 
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Alright, let's figure this out.

Get specific:
  • How late at night are you making these approaches?
  • Are you literally approaching these girls on the street while they're walking to and fro? Or are you talking to girls in the bars and clubs?
  • What are you saying to these girls? What are they saying to you in response?
  • What are the friends in these groups doing/saying when you approach the one you want?
  • Are you attractive? By this I mean you're dressing well, you're tall or at least not short, you're fit or muscular, still have your hair, don't have f***ed up teeth, some other physical disability that might be impeding you
  • Are you going after girls you're actually interested in or are you just trying to get more reps?
  • Are you really getting blown out a bunch or are you just overanalyzing and focusing on a few failures that demoralizes you?
  • What do you think is going wrong?
This isn’t coaching, it’s a checklist for dehumanizing women under the guise of “getting better” at approaching them. Framing interaction as strategy strips away the idea that women are people, not puzzles to solve. Asking if someone is “tall” or has “f***ed up teeth” turns attraction into a hierarchy of worth rooted in shallow, ableist standards. The real issue is not rejection, it’s the mindset that treats social encounters as experiments for personal gain. If your approach begins with objectifying others and ends in self-pity over failed pickups, the problem is not the method, it’s the motivation. Rethink everything.
 

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This isn’t coaching, it’s a checklist for dehumanizing women under the guise of “getting better” at approaching them. Framing interaction as strategy strips away the idea that women are people, not puzzles to solve. Asking if someone is “tall” or has “f***ed up teeth” turns attraction into a hierarchy of worth rooted in shallow, ableist standards. The real issue is not rejection, it’s the mindset that treats social encounters as experiments for personal gain. If your approach begins with objectifying others and ends in self-pity over failed pickups, the problem is not the method, it’s the motivation. Rethink everything.
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