Attraction and PUA all an illusion

[Bvbidd]

This is the realization you come to after experience and realize a lot of it has little to do with all the little games you think you may be playing.

She already knows you want her always your little games are not going to actually do anything. She'll just laugh inside. And then judge your by looks, friends, conversation skills, etc and other superficial things.. (in other words your actual value as a human being) and if the rest are in order she'll do you, if she's a wh0re she'll do you all if you make the moves. But do not fool yourself into the attraction and games I mean sure you may make her wonder sometimes.. but most of the time if a guy with better value makes a move first your just going to fail.

This is what guys who actually get it and do good with girls realize.

The whole time girls know you want in their pants their just judging you the whole time to see if your good enough. Nothing wrong with a little honest making fun of each other but your not fooling anybody. Get your actual value up as a human being and magically the games suddenly do not need to be played.. and you realize it had nothing to do with games the whole time or AFCs or any of that.

It all came down to a numbers game, luck, who you actually are, and balls if you actually do anything. The games all a long were no skills manipulating her mind into doing you but just her judging your personailty to see if your good enough. (This basically means if you talk to girls at all and can make them laugh.. that's all you need. No PUA skills or anything.)

There was a post written here called truth about women and then a couple others by Deep Dish. That pretty much explain everything. The truth is kind of dark but once your realize it you can actually live your life for you. So enough with the fake mind games. This is truth that everybody realizes.. eventually you realize you really had no control. The whole time it was just her seeing if you were good enough for her pvssy. This goes for all chicks.

 

[check_mate_kid_uk]

I saw an article today on the BBC that was posted on sosuave, it is the second time i have come across it and it says that phycoligists have done studies and found that initial attraction such as the type in a cold aproach is based on the following.

55% is through body language
38% is the tone and speed of our voice
Only 7% is through what we say

It is how ever totaly feasble that so called PUA's get more confident and comfortable around girls as they keep trying all their lines and there for their body language and voice expresses this comfort and confidence.

 

[AngelusPUA]

You are mostly right but girls don’t concentrate only on superficial things, if you make the girl feel good about herself, if you have charm, if you have a sense of humor those are not superficial factors but they contribute greatly to a girls attraction level.

Girls definitely access you on your looks and personality playing these little games seduction gurus use to fill their books up with is useless.

I always say instead of learning canned lines and learning to play games guys need to learn how to become a man that women desire. Guys need to learn how to become “the perfect man” it’s not about games, c+f, NLP and hypnosis that’s all a illusion seduction gurus try to sell you.

Guys need to work on becoming people of higher value, having good personalities, looking good, having good senses of humor, having a good career, associating themselves with the right people, charm, cloths you wear.

 

[Bvbidd]

I concider conversation skills and what you say as to be superficial because she's wondering if you can actually talk to her friends if you two had gone out or had sex.

She's basically wondering what your impression on them would be in order to judge you to fvck her. (Notice she already wanted your d!ck if you looked good enough. No magical skills read in a book for that.) The less she is in life the less she'll care what you are in life.

If a girl gets wet near you it's not like you made this happen with your ultimate PUA skills or anything. It's just her letting herself become horny for you because she knows sex with you would only be a good thing.

This is the best advice you can get and telling you wasted your money on all seduction bull****. Seduction is a false hope. Seduction if anything.. is convining her sex with you is okay.. not controlling her mind with canned lines and making her like you.

 

[AngelusPUA]

Finally somebody whom agrees with me, except I wouldn't class conversation skills as superficial but whatever.

 

[check_mate_kid_uk]

the one problem with the data in my post above is that i am quite sure a cheeky kind of attitude helps, yet isnt attitude a lot about what we say? so how can that only acount for 7%

 

[AngelusPUA]

If you work on all the attributes woman find attractive in a man and you become a highly valued man the body language will come naturally. It is not something you have to work on.

 

[d9930380]

I agree to an extent however girls (and guys) DO play games. We all know that. They will play games with guys they REALLY like and those they want to use to feel power or good looking with too.

If you aren't aware of them. YOU will be the latter and get played.

 

[check_mate_kid_uk]

If you work on all the attributes woman find attractive in a man and you become a highly valued man the body language will come naturally. It is not something you have to work on.

Yeah i often see skinny people and see how they hold themselves and they look pretty pathetic and weak, but then i see other skinny people who are strong charcters.

Its that certain 'indescriable quality' you can see it from a mile away but you dont know why some have it and others do not.

Your choice of clothes are quite important in this respect.

It is about how you feel, i remember walking around in my suit with a lot of pride thinking yeah im $1,000,000 and i had a girl i know tell me i move very gracefully.

so nice and more importantly well fitting clothes, combined with good posture and carying yourself well, gives a good impression.

 

[AngelusPUA]

I think when he says "play games" he means these PUA games that seduction gurus infect people’s minds with. Things like NLP, Hypnosis, C+F, canned lines and so on. He doesn’t mean b*tch tests that women give.

 

[AngelusPUA]

I love it when they test you and you totally ignore the test, they have no idea what to do you can actually see the stunned look in their eyes, followed by the smile of satisfaction.

 

[SamePendo]

Ok Angelus, I saw one post which you said you've teached guys to become men and all. I suppose it obviously includes teaching them how to work their charm on women. You do agree that you have to know the basics on the "pua" things in order to develop those social skills etc?

 

[ima str8 up pimp]

Attraction and PUA all an illusion

I agree 100% on that phrase, that's the only thing that I agree with. Nothing else you said because I didn't even read it, this is enough.

True players know what I mean.

 

[AngelusPUA]

Ok Angelus, I saw one post which you said you've teached guys to become men and all. I suppose it obviously includes teaching them how to work their charm on women. You do agree that you have to know the basics on the "pua" things in order to develop those social skills etc?

Not really charm is not a PUA born trait, charm is just charm and it can be taught without ever having studied anything remotely PUA. What point are you trying to make anyway man?

 

[Distant Light]

I disagree, there have been times that I've ****ed girls and they had no clue that I liked them? Also realize this isn't how to get a girl, it is how to consistently get girls. Now seriously if this was a numbers game how come some people are still virgins, Some get a few girls, then you got the real good PUAs who constantly **** different girls? (there was once a post 2 months ago on ASF by myster where they were talking about how it is possible to close 100% which means every girl, there were a few who agreed)

How come I get more girls now than before? How are some of these guys getting 3 somes? Blowing guys out of sets? ****ing wives and girls who have bfs? Most of you guys have alot of limiting beliefs. there is no way alot of posts on this site should be being posted. Now you see why most people leave this site because its a lost hope, probably only 10% of the people on this site get girls, and most of all this site barely teaches any skills. (Stop trying to be a james bond) I see Shez post at ASF, Gunwitch, walden (He did the whole DJ bootcamp) and a few other pretty good posters that don't post here no more.

The closet thing to your post that is talked about is Assuming attraction which is basically from Direct and Natural Game but even those still have the same elements that gets you the girls.

 

[AngelusPUA]

What are you trying to say man? I am saying a guy should stop focusing on all these useless techniques and concentrate on becoming a man that women desire. Women won’t jump into bed because you use C+F or NLP they will jump into your bed if you are highly valued. So work on making yourself of high value instead of memorizing canned lines.

"stop trying to be James Bond" is bullsh*t if you want an example of a perfect man that women desire it's James Bond and if you ant to become a highly valued man who better to learn from.

 

[The Juan and only]

I disagree, there have been times that I've ****ed girls and they had no clue that I liked them? Also realize this isn't how to get a girl, it is how to consistently get girls. Now seriously if this was a numbers game how come some people are still virgins, Some get a few girls, then you got the real good PUAs who constantly **** different girls? (there was once a post 2 months ago on ASF by myster where they were talking about how it is possible to close 100% which means every girl, there were a few who agreed)

How come I get more girls now than before? How are some of these guys getting 3 somes? Blowing guys out of sets? ****ing wives and girls who have bfs? Most of you guys have alot of limiting beliefs. there is no way alot of posts on this site should be being posted. Now you see why most people leave this site because its a lost hope, probably only 10% of the people on this site get girls, and most of all this site barely teaches any skills. (Stop trying to be a james bond) I see Shez post at ASF, Gunwitch, walden (He did the whole DJ bootcamp) and a few other pretty good posters that don't post here no more.

The closet thing to your post that is talked about is Assuming attraction which is basically from Direct and Natural Game but even those still have the same elements that gets you the girls.

I'll agree that some of the basic principles are solid, however the multitude of
"seduction systems" and PUA books out there now are simply a load of rubbish.

How come I get more girls now than before?

Probably because taking the time to go out and practive "PUA stuff" has
made you a more confident, and more sociable person in general. Also its a simple fact that as we get older, we become more secure with ourselves and perhaps better at pulling than we were in our early teens for example.

Those people arent great PUAs because they have good techniques, or secret routines. They're good because they go out every night to get practice on the social scene, and quickly build up a confident and attractive personality simply by being around women all the time; learning subconscious
social skills and thin-slicing (read 'Blink' by malcolm gladwell for that term)

With the tonnes of contradictions and subtleties of seduction material, Im starting to think it comes down to this: If you think it will work, then it probably will. All that matters is the confidence boost you get from having material to fall back on. Almost everything else you learn in the field, not from reading a book.

 

[SamePendo]

Not really charm is not a PUA born trait, charm is just charm and it can be taught without ever having studied anything remotely PUA. What point are you trying to make anyway man?

I don't remember. I have to go to the doctor, yesterday I forgot how old I was, I had to ask my brother. The day before yesterday, I returned from work, completely forgetting that I had a client still there!!!

Allthough, I can't imagine how you would teach a guy the ways to a womans panties without explaining the basic "pua-ish" stuff, like the 3 second stuff, etc, the basics.

 

[AngelusPUA]

You forgot how old you are you can't be serious?, I didn't mean to sound rude in my last post I just realized reading it again it may have come off as rude.

When I teach guys seduction I teach how to have a good lifestyle. When a guy learns to have a great lifestyle they don't need the 3 second rule because women will naturally gravitate towards them. Personally I don't use any seduction techniques I just made myself into a guy that women desire and now I don't even think about gaming girls I am just myself around them. That’s what I teach guys....

 

[Blue Phoenix]

I concider conversation skills and what you say as to be superficial because she's wondering if you can actually talk to her friends if you two had gone out or had sex.

She's basically wondering what your impression on them would be in order to judge you to fvck her. (Notice she already wanted your d!ck if you looked good enough. No magical skills read in a book for that.) The less she is in life the less she'll care what you are in life.

If a girl gets wet near you it's not like you made this happen with your ultimate PUA skills or anything. It's just her letting herself become horny for you because she knows sex with you would only be a good thing.

This is the best advice you can get and telling you wasted your money on all seduction bull****. Seduction is a false hope. Seduction if anything.. is convining her sex with you is okay.. not controlling her mind with canned lines and making her like you.

Yeah I agree with you. Based on your post you think that Mystery is a huge marketing guru uh?

I like David de angelo because he focus a lot on self-improvement as opposed to Mystery. His book\philosophy looks like a bunch of tricks to bed women. It´s full of "technical" terms, so many "techniques" that it looks like a car manual, it´s painful to read. :crazy: