At what age do women “hit the wall”?

[zekko]

There is no specific age where women hit 'the wall'.
It's the moment where she painfully realises that the male attention she once got in her prime years now nowhere is to be seen, it's the moment where she realises she will have to settle for the beta provider

I agree there is no specific age. It's more tied to the point where they lose their youthful appearance and can't attract the male attention that they used to. And that is very different by the individual - to how much they take care of themselves, but also by genetics.

Many women do "settle for the beta provider", but I disagree with the notion that all women who get married are marrying a beta provider. Especially the ones who marry younger, may be very much in love with their fiances, want to start a family, and have the best intentions going in. Some of them actually carry through with their choices and obligations. But others fall prey to hypergamy, have character flaws, undervalue their spouse, or have unrealistic expectations of marriage going in. The modern idea of marriage as a romantic adventure lovefest is very damaging, marriage should be about family, respect, honor, and obligation. Our ancestors knew this, that's why they had more luck than we are currently having.

 

[Visionist]

I had coffee with an in-shape 38 year old the other day. Unmarried, no kids, looks around 30ish. She resisted my moves and so I'm friendzoning her. I'm 31 and yes, heavily overweight after my surgeries.

So a "post wall" woman will still exercise her power of rejection over a younger guy if he doesn't meet her standards, real or imagined.

 

[Who Dares Win]

There is no real number and proper wall in my opinion.

I believe they lose that innocent fresh look by mid to late 20s but are still a decent deal if mentally and emotionally sane, the problem happens in thie early 30s where they lose their young look and their ability to bond is basically gone.

Sure they are still attractive if they are in good shape but the attraction you feel for them is physical only, there is not emotional involvement or bonding force...thats the way nature has to make sure that you do not invest in a losing asset given their low chances of giving birth.

So to make it simple, in my mind its like this.

16-18, totally free and innocent looking, you find them attractive but mostly see them as child to take care of

19-24 thats their peak generally, fresh and tight while able to attract you physically and emotionally

25-28 Still attractive and looking young enough, here you can unleash your animal desire while the emotional involvement drops a little

29-33 Unbound sex mostly cause you dont care much about the rest so you dare more, low to none emotional attraction

34+ You can bang them if they are still in shape but you see them as friends from an emotional point of view, no involvement overall

 

[MatureDJ]

Apparently it’s 28 in Hollywood.

Spider-Man was 26.8 years old, Elizabeth Banks was 28. She was considered a “withered old hag” to play Spiderman’s Love interest.

28-Year-Old Elizabeth Banks Was Too Much of a Withered Hag to Play Mary Jane in Spider-Man

<span>The role of the love interest ended up going to 18-year-old Kirsten Dunst.</span><span><br /><br /></span>

www.thecut.com

If this is the case, how can any childless woman over 30 have any type of attitude towards any man?

I would have tapped a 28 year old Elizabeth Banks.

 

[MatureDJ]

What wall, they just date older men 40+

Or men 10 years younger like biggoal.

 

[Dash Riprock]

Unless a woman has really let herself go; got fat, lot's of wrinkles, can't keep a job, drug addict, etc.,--obvious deal-breakers--I can tell you from personal experience that:

The Wall is a myth.

I'm over 45 and use a few legit dating apps. The women that are over 40 AND a) in-shape and b) attractive c) seem to have their s*hit together - all have 100's of men pursuing and pandering to them on OLD and IRL. So what "Wall" are we talking about? Yours or hers? Until a woman hits about 60, she'll have plenty of suitors pursuing her if she's attractive.

The thing that I find irritating about these women is that on OLD, they'll engage enthusiastically in conversation back and forth, but when it comes to inviting them out for a date, I do and in 80% of the cases, I hear nothing. It's bizarre. If these women all "hit the Wall," they'd be jumping at the opportunity to date. Not the case. Another case of betas and their supplicating behavior f*ucking it up for everyone else.

I actually have much better success with women decades younger than me so 80% of my "dates" (more like hook-ups) are with them.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

The women that are over 40 AND a) in-shape and b) attractive c) seem to have their s*hit together - all have 100's of men pursuing and pandering to them on OLD and IRL.

The question is though, how often do you find women over 40 (or even over 35) who are in shape, attractive, and has their **** together?

Not often.

Most girls realy on their youthfulness to stay attractive. Faster metabolism at 20 than at 40. They still go out to Starbucks or Dunkin and drink coffee with extra heavy cream, sugar, all sorts of unhealthy but flavorful concoctions of vanilla, pumpkin, etc.

Oftentimes if they feel fat, they’ll just starve themselves but then binge all over again rendering the whole not-eating bit pointless. Then for many, their monthly cycle takes effect and makes them nauseous or just not want to eat at all which is the real reason why they didn’t get fat. Then there are others who occasionally will ‘go to the gym’ but all they do is walk on a treadmill or those stairs for 30 minutes before going home

How often do you see a woman who has a diet like yours or mine? Not often. How often do you see a woman who takes fitness as seriously as you or I? Not often. Truthfully, I just have a hard time seeing a chick eat broccoli or making chicken and rice. It’s honestly hard for me to imagine a woman cooking a steak on a grill or frying pan and actually like WATCHING what she eats. Most of them are aware of what they eat, more so than guys who don’t exercise, but they don’t actually watch what they eat in the sense that they do much about it aside from feel guilty. Then they get mad at guys and say that we have unrealistic expectations of how women should look like even though all those expectations are literally all in their head lol

 

[Visionist]

To clarify, the 38 year old who I met, attends fitness classes in the gym.

She's petite, probably 5'2" and clearly in decent shape but I haven't seen her naked, to be sure, and perhaps regretfully won't; kissed her on the hand at the end of our meeting (always a good sh!t test if you haven't generated enough tension for a real kiss) and she reacted like "woooah woah what are you doing?!" (She didn't say that, but made the "woah!" sound).

I'll take that as a rejection, lol.

 

[jerrycalahan]

The Wall is a myth.

I'm over 45 and use a few legit dating apps. The women that are over 40 AND a) in-shape and b) attractive c) seem to have their s*hit together - all have 100's of men pursuing and pandering to them on OLD and IRL. So what "Wall" are we talking about? Yours or hers? Until a woman hits about 60, she'll have plenty of suitors pursuing her if she's attractive.

The thing that I find irritating about these women is that on OLD, they'll engage enthusiastically in conversation back and forth, but when it comes to inviting them out for a date, I do and in 80% of the cases, I hear nothing. It's bizarre. If these women all "hit the Wall," they'd be jumping at the opportunity to date. Not the case. Another case of betas and their supplicating behavior f*ucking it up for everyone else.

I actually have much better success with women decades younger than me so 80% of my "dates" (more like hook-ups) are with them.

That is just absolutely disgusting. It's pathetic that guys are pandering to milfs cougars and even grandmothers in this way. It's a violation of all that is natural.

I had coffee with an in-shape 38 year old the other day. Unmarried, no kids, looks around 30ish. She resisted my moves and so I'm friendzoning her. I'm 31 and yes, heavily overweight after my surgeries.

So a "post wall" woman will still exercise her power of rejection over a younger guy if he doesn't meet her standards, real or imagined.

Another blackpill.

If a lady eats right, doesn't do drugs, moderately exercises and doesn't fvck random dudes, they can push the wall off into their 40's. Want proof? Come to NYC area. I hear LA is similiar.

I've lived in both LA and NY. I never paid attention to any woman over the age of 30. Too old. There are way too many attractive girls late teens and 20's to even think about dating 50 years olds. LA, NY, and even SF to a degree, are hotbeds for hot 20 something girls. If you are even looking at females pushing 50, there is something drastically wrong.

I just posted on how bad the dating scene is

Women Start to Decline at 23

The only demographic with consistently attractive women is college aged women from 18 to 23. And I'm referring only to women in actual colleges, not junior colleges which admit everyone. Druggies, mentally ill, homeless, etc enroll in junior colleges and it shows. The dropoff in women's...

www.sosuave.net

but never imagined it could be this bad.

 

[2Rocky]

If I could find a 25 year old woman that is worldly and wise and interested in the same topics and activities as me I might consider dating younger. (I'm 45, and divorced 4 years). I'm around people interested in fitness, and a lot of them are women. In endurance sports more of the older women are participating. In a recent event there were 42 women entered...Only 7 of them were 29 or under, 11 were in their 30's, 19 were in their 40's and 7 were in their 50's.

I find people who have never been a parent, or a sibling are really self centered... I can think of 3 prospects in their lower 30's I wrote off for that reason. You talk about not dating single mothers? What do you think about the 25 year old who doesn't want to give up the time and attention to your kids get when they are with you? Knife cuts both ways.

 

[bcude]

If I could find a 25 year old woman that is worldly and wise and interested in the same topics and activities as me I might consider dating younger. (I'm 45, and divorced 4 years). I'm around people interested in fitness, and a lot of them are women. In endurance sports more of the older women are participating. In a recent event there were 42 women entered...Only 7 of them were 29 or under, 11 were in their 30's, 19 were in their 40's and 7 were in their 50's.

I find people who have never been a parent, or a sibling are really self centered... I can think of 3 prospects in their lower 30's I wrote off for that reason. You talk about not dating single mothers? What do you think about the 25 year old who doesn't want to give up the time and attention to your kids get when they are with you? Knife cuts both ways.

Then she isn't interested and shouldn't choose to be with a single father, no harm in that, just like men shouldn't choose single mothers.
In theory it's true that when you become a parent you take responsibility for someone that is not yourself and you should become less self centered, but from my experience and what i've heard from other men who have dated single mothers, they somehow become even more entitled, self centered and demanding making them bad partners for a childless person.
I agree with you that a 25 year old might not be on the same level though, but instead she has more going for her compared to an older jaded woman (youth, beauty, no baggage, ridden less c0cks, less biological pressure). Comes down to personal preference i guess.

 

[Visionist]

Another blackpill.

Explain your meaning.