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Dice52987

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Here's my dilemma. I'm a lard ass. I don't want to be a lard ass anymore. But I'm weak, as well. First, here are my stats.

Age: 22
Height: 6' 1"
Weight: 255lbs.
BF: 30%

Goals
Weight: doesn't matter much, maybe 210.
BF: 10-12%
Squat: 405
Bench: 300
Deadlift: 500
added bonus would be weighted pull-ups, as I can't even do one unweighted one.

Now, I'm looking to get down to about 10% body fat, but I don't want to be one of those people who's super buff but can't lift a small television. I looked at option A (Starting Strength) and I want to do that program, but even on the forum dedicated to that program, they say you shouldn't attempt to lose fat on it. I've also seen doing the program anyway, but eating a paleo type diet at maintenance, but I also see other people saying that eating that way won't facilitate strength gains.

In short, I want to lose fat and be strong, but I'm so beyond fvcking lost that I feel like giving up. Any tips? They'd be greatly appreciated.
 

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Dice52987 said:
Here's my dilemma. I'm a lard ass. I don't want to be a lard ass anymore. But I'm weak, as well. First, here are my stats.

Age: 22
Height: 6' 1"
Weight: 255lbs.
BF: 30%

Goals
Weight: doesn't matter much, maybe 210.
BF: 10-12%
Squat: 405
Bench: 300
Deadlift: 500
added bonus would be weighted pull-ups, as I can't even do one unweighted one.

Now, I'm looking to get down to about 10% body fat, but I don't want to be one of those people who's super buff but can't lift a small television. I looked at option A (Starting Strength) and I want to do that program, but even on the forum dedicated to that program, they say you shouldn't attempt to lose fat on it. I've also seen doing the program anyway, but eating a paleo type diet at maintenance, but I also see other people saying that eating that way won't facilitate strength gains.

In short, I want to lose fat and be strong, but I'm so beyond fvcking lost that I feel like giving up. Any tips? They'd be greatly appreciated.
Seriously **** starting strength especially for body composition changes and gaining mass (Rippetoe seems cool but he doesn't know jack **** about making people look good naked). It's great for people who just want to learn barbell exercises but that's all! but if more people hit the gym lifting weights at least 4-6 times a week. Guess what? they would actually look like they lifted weights regularly!

Some people act as if a newbie trains more then 3 days a week he's going to "overtrain" . Overtrain what? Most don't even know how to ****in' flex their lats!!

Look guy...I'm going to recommend you get Staleys EDT training routine a try as I believe in this routine and have heard nothing but good things about it especially with those with fat loss goals.

here'slink http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/edt_lose_the_fat_keep_the_strength

Now use youtube to get proper form on exercises..Pm me if you need help with figuring out what foods to eat and what not.

As of right now the best thing you can do is just start eating more protein at least 1 gram X BW...Protein is thermogenic and it helps your body burn calories while providing essential amino acids !!!

Watch your carbs and only keep them around your workouts. Rest of day should consist of protein+veggies+good fats.
 

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And you, sir, are the man. I didn't think SS would be the greatest thing for this anyway. As far as nutrition goes, I got most of it down because I found Berardi's 7 habits. After I read that, it seemed like most fat loss programs mirror that type of eating so I'll stick with those. Much appreciated.
 

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Dice52987 said:
And you, sir, are the man. I didn't think SS would be the greatest thing for this anyway. As far as nutrition goes, I got most of it down because I found Berardi's 7 habits. After I read that, it seemed like most fat loss programs mirror that type of eating so I'll stick with those. Much appreciated.
Berardi knows his stuff keep listening to the man. Another guy who's excellent and has his own youtube channel with a wealth of informations is Dr. Jonny Bowden. Follow the advice of those two and you can't lose in the kitchen.

Even if you don't follow that routine (hope you do). Supersets are always great for those who need to make their workouts worthwhile and calorie taxing. So take notice of the people around you in the gym. You'll notice two right away the ones who actually put real effort and end up all sweaty huffing and puffing towards the end of their training.

Then you have the other ones who just kind of go through the "motions". These are the ones who look the same year after year. DON'T become one of these lol:cuss:

Just try to fasted morning cardio ever morning (or whenever) possibly after taking some branch amino acids. Or maybe just do like a 1/2 scoop of whey protein (12 grams protein) and then do fasted cardio for a bit. Then eat a solid meal following berardis principles.

Anways good luck come back after say 3-6 months for progress report. You're the boss, you need to just keep at it with unrelenting nature.

Also look into fish oil and green tea (well aide greatly in boosting fat loss even more). Some caffeine pills or yohimbine is great to take pre-workout or before cardio to pep you.

Once you got some exercises layed out let me see what you have ...
 

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Starting Strenght is a great program and works excellently.

Carlito, Im a fairly typical new lifter and 4-6 times a week, If was I lifting at the correct intensity, would be overtraining.
3xsquats per week pushes it for recovery for me. At sufficient intensity SS provides more than sufficient stress on the body. Speaking from 6 months of experience with the program and having made significant strenght gains with it, mainly when Ive been eating properly.

That said, If you have a lot of weight to lose, and it sounds like you might have, SS isnt nessecary just yet, you just need to focus on calories in being less than calories out, and make sure to get a few solid hours of exercise in each week, any kind of sport, any kind of weight lifting will work.

When you've lost a few stone, give SS a go.

Keep us updated here on your progress, good luck,

Cure.
 

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I don't agree with your viewpoint on the Starting Strength program, but it sounds like you've already made up your mind. However I urge you to purchase the book anyway. There is a lot more to the book than just the program, which only takes up about half a page. The book explains in great detail how to correctly perform the most important weight room exercises, essential for any beginner.
 

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Cure said:
Starting Strenght is a great program and works excellently.

Carlito, Im a fairly typical new lifter and 4-6 times a week, If was I lifting at the correct intensity, would be overtraining.

How the hell do you even know this after you just admitted you're a fairly typical new lifter? How do you know how far you can go already when you haven't even pushed your own ****in threshold? Only relying on other peoples opinions and faceless people on the internet is a double edged sword. Only you through trial and error truly can know what you're capable of .. Learn right here in the now, think for yourself and question everything you read or hear. Everything you do in and out of the gym should have a sensible reason. This is what keeps you going forward.

3xsquats per week pushes it for recovery for me. At sufficient intensity SS provides more than sufficient stress on the body. Speaking from 6 months of experience with the program and having made significant strenght gains with it, mainly when Ive been eating properly.

How confident are you in your technique and form? Do you have a reputable coach or real knowledgeable people coaching and helping with that? Most people can't even do a body weight squat correctly and then to go on to throw a barbell with weights on it 3 times a week. Then strain themselves or have horrible form and later on run into issues. At least do yourself a favor and train around real powerlifters/bodybuilders. Ask them questions and be open minded. This is what every beginner should do.

Also if you're trying to get as much mass as possible Starting Strength doesn't not cater to that goal the best. People act as if a bodybuilding routine is the most complicated **** to do it's not.


That said, If you have a lot of weight to lose, and it sounds like you might have, SS isnt nessecary just yet, you just need to focus on calories in being less than calories out, and make sure to get a few solid hours of exercise in each week, any kind of sport, any kind of weight lifting will work.

When you've lost a few stone, give SS a go.

Keep us updated here on your progress, good luck,

Cure.
Well whatever ....he'll figure it out
 

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Well, I do eventually plan to go competitive with bodybuilding, as it's been a dream of mine for quite some time. I just never knew where to start, which is why I looked at SS. But all of these programs, in the end, are just a means to an end. Doesn't matter if I use SS, Max-OT, HST, Smolov, 5/3/1, Waterbury, or any of that. As long as I can get on stage in the next year or so, and have a moderate amount of strength to back it up, I'm good.
 

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Dice52987 said:
Well, I do eventually plan to go competitive with bodybuilding, as it's been a dream of mine for quite some time. I just never knew where to start, which is why I looked at SS. But all of these programs, in the end, are just a means to an end. Doesn't matter if I use SS, Max-OT, HST, Smolov, 5/3/1, Waterbury, or any of that. As long as I can get on stage in the next year or so, and have a moderate amount of strength to back it up, I'm good.
Don't be foolish...it will take years upon years of hard work to get to the point where you can actually step on stage and do some damage at a local show.

Yes it does matter what routine you use..If you want to look like a bodybuilder one day. Guess what? You have to actually train like one. Last time I checked most aren't doing those kinds of routines beginner or not. 5/3/1 is great though and if you tweak it just right pretty much can turn into a bodybuilding routine.

Just focus right now on losing weight and hitting weights to maintain whatever muscle you have. Then after you hit your goal just focus on gaining size everywhere! The strength will come.

Chest/Tris/Bis
legs
off
shoulders/back
off

With fasted morning cardio every morning. Maybe some barbell/bodyweight complexes thrown in at the end of some workouts and you're gold.

When pressing for chest, always make sure to retract shoulder blades nice and tight get chest high...no huge arch in back is necessary we're not powerlifting here. Keep shoulders on bench as well. Deep breath on the way down....stay tight slow negative and push up explosively..

chest movements Pick 2 out of these ramping up/warming up to 1-2 all out sets to failure. Add maybe one rest pause if using a machine (10-12 sec pause after failure then go at it again)

low incline barbell press/smith low incline press
hammerstrength machine incline/iso flat
dumbbell work incline/flat/decline (higher reps say 8-15 reps for final set)
smith machine low decline/or barbbell

now pick one fly movment (2-3 sets 8-15 reps)
machine flys/
low incline cable flys/
low/flat/decline dumbbell flys

Triceps pick one main pressing movement
close grip bench press off pins (bar should be like 4-5 inches off chest, elbows should be close to side and tucked on the way down, push up with flares in the elbows to activate tris more)

smith machine reverse grip bench press
smith machine inhuman close grip bench press
(take bench and set it up so ass is hanging off the end, helps you get better leverage, same setup as CGBP)

Hammerstrength machine dips

now pick one extension/pullover (2-3 sets to failure higher rep area 10-15 rep area)
pjr pullovers
larry scott extensions
dead skull crushers/lying tricep extensions as done here (always going behind the head) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1AZebtYyA0&feature=PlayList&p=E2078BBA6F88DC36&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2

Pressdowns are k the above are better though...if you do pressdowns go with a close grip with elbows tucked

legs
pick 1-2 hamstring exercises
leg curls (6-12 rep area)
stifflegged deadlifts/romanian deadlifts/db sldls (8-15 rep area)

quads (ramp up on one to all out set to 6-10 reps) (Then after a rest do the same exercise or another one and take what you think you can get 10 with and push for 20 reps) ( I would avoid doing 20-reppers with front squats though as your back will get fatigued before legs, unless you do them in the smith machine )
barbell front squats/smith machine front squats
hack squats
leg press

calves (I alternate workout to workout)
seated
standing

shoulders pick one main pressing movement ramp up to 1-2 all out sets 6-12 reps

smith machine behind-the-neck press (ear level)
hammerstrength BHTN press
seated pin press (set pins so bar is like at forehead height)
regular seated shoulder press
smith machine high incline shoulder press

pick one lateral movement
machine laterals
db seated/standing laterals
cable laterals

2-3 sets 10-15 reps

Back width exercise pick 1-2 all out sets 8-15 reps
lat pulldowns (underhanded close grip or pronated)
hammerstrength high rows
rack chinups
machine assisted pullups/chinups


back pick 1-2 rowing/rack deadlift movements (if you did stiff legged deadlifts/Romanian dls on your leg day skip deadlifts as to not wear out your lower back to much)

Ramp up to one all out set of 6-10 reps

Rest then do another all out set to 12-15 reps

yates rows (supinated)
barbell rows
dumbbell rows
t-bar rows (can be done one handed also)
rack deadlifts (pins set right at knee level, just below or slighty above)
seated cable rows

Like last workout for instance I did rack deadlifts at knee level ramped up to 365X6

Then I did seated cable rows with something like 140X15 or something.

That was it for back thickness work.


The rep ranges I mentioned are just a guideline ...you might respond better to higher reps or lower then I mentioned so gauge this ........Focus on getting stronger in those rep ranges....always perfecting technique/form and going for either more reps or weight each session. Of course it will not always be linear...Yet do your best. Give your body a ****in reason to want to hang onto or gain muscle.....and become a human blast furnace by eating lots of protein/veggies/goodfats!!! Every time you walk into that weight room, whisper under your breath "I'm one bad ass mother****er and nothing is going to get in the way of my goals"

When you're in the kitchen or thinking about binging on ****...stop for a second imagine your body is a high performance Porsche Carrera GT (my fav car haha) or your favorite bad ass super car....You wouldn't go putting unleaded cheap ass fuel in it right, when it clearly states in the manual only high octane 93+ premium gas. Right?
 
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There's a very low chance you're going to be able to become a competitive bodybuilder in just a year unless you have exceptional genetics, and if you're fat now you probably don't.

However, the fastest results will come on a simple program where you work with low reps on the basic, important lifts (squat, overhead/bench, deadlift) like Starting Strength.

The fastest way for anyone to progress is simple linear progression. This is mathematically axiomatic.
 

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To look good, get strong first. The good looks will come as a result of proper diet & rest. Plus, as you said, you want to have the strength to go with the prettiness.

As a newbie, do all compound exercises. Don't do too many exercises, focus on a few. Every exercise should consist of squat, push (preferably heavy stuff overhead) and pull (preferably heavy stuff off the ground). Add a fast lift and you're set.

The more exercises you do, the less efficient you are at working towards your goals. You're a newbie, work out like one.
 

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Kerpal said:
There's a very low chance you're going to be able to become a competitive bodybuilder in just a year unless you have exceptional genetics, and if you're fat now you probably don't.
Maybe not in the NPC, but for little local shows, a year is plenty of time. My mother used to compete in the late 80s and early 90s when I was little, and she won her class twice. And my father is a built guy as well, plus I've got a cousin who just won the SHW class at the Jay Cutler Classic in 2009, so I think genetics just might be on my side, even if only a little bit. Most of my body is somewhat muscular (16" arms flexed, 48" chest), I just have a huge gut. No disrespect intended, I just get very defensive when people try to tell me that I can't do something. Annoys the life out of me.

Edit: That sounded a little rude on my part. I just think that people put way too much on genetics and use it as an excuse to give up on things, especially athletic pursuits.
 

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Dice52987 said:
Maybe not in the NPC, but for little local shows, a year is plenty of time. My mother used to compete in the late 80s and early 90s when I was little, and she won her class twice. And my father is a built guy as well, plus I've got a cousin who just won the SHW class at the Jay Cutler Classic in 2009, so I think genetics just might be on my side, even if only a little bit. Most of my body is somewhat muscular (16" arms flexed, 48" chest), I just have a huge gut. No disrespect intended, I just get very defensive when people try to tell me that I can't do something. Annoys the life out of me.

Edit: That sounded a little rude on my part. I just think that people put way too much on genetics and use it as an excuse to give up on things, especially athletic pursuits.
Ignore some of these fools please for the love of god.....they're content with just looking fit/mediocre....this is not what bodybuilders strive for. Speak with your cousin and tell him you're interested in competing after a few years of hard training/or until he can confidently tell you, you can place decently. I'm sure he'll help you setup a sound routine and help you with nutrition/proper exercise form/technique..

great forums for bodybuilding info

http://tnation.tmuscle.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding?pageNo=1&s=forumsNavTop

http://www.intensemuscle.com

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