article: Why women prefer geeky guys

[MatureDJ]

http://theweek.com/article/index/228513/why-women-prefer-geeky-guys

NOTE; There are some very interesting comments. Perhaps some folks here can add some.

Why women prefer geeky guys

Early in human evolutionary history, women started opting for the loyal and loving Beta male over his big-bicepped Alpha brethren

In the 1980s movie "Revenge of the Nerds," the nerds got the girls, and, it turns out, the same thing happens in real life.

Plenty of guys will be hitting the weight room this summer before heading to the beach, but new research suggests that when it comes to winning over women, big muscles aren't always necessary. A new analysis by researchers at the University of Tennessee-Knoxville suggests that long ago, women started turning down strong, confident Alpha males in favor of Beta men who were more devoted. Here, a concise guide to the study:

Why do researchers think that geeks rule?

The team of evolutionary biologists wanted to determine exactly when it was that humankind began settling into monogamous relationships. Using a computer model, they found that when early humans began congregating in large social groups to up their chances of survival, physically dominant Alpha men had their pick from multiple women. For lower-ranking Beta men (think "scrawny geeks") to obtain mates, they needed to devise a different approach to circumvent the pecking order.

What did Betas do?

The researchers posit that out of necessity, a Beta man would devote himself to a single woman at a time, providing her with necessities like food and protection. Showering her with affection "led women to value a generous and devoted partner over a promiscuous stronger man," says Nick Collins at Britain's Telegraph. Monogamy persevered because it meant less infighting between competing males and better survival rates for offspring who had two parents watching over them.

Why does this matter?

Experts have long struggled to explain how the modern family arose out of tribal networks, study author Sergey Gavrilets tells the Daily Mail. As it turns out, the critical factor in this model was female choice, which sparked a "sexual revolution" and laid the groundwork for the modern two-parent family society is predicated on today.

 

[Who Dares Win]

What a bunch of bvllsh1t, women turn to beta only when they have to no different that a guy turning to fat girls.

They get fvcked from masculine men till they can for many reasons like instinct,ego,bragging and validation then when they no longer have what it takes to compete for those men, they accept the attention of a beta who will not mess up their ego checking other women nor will get them sleepless nights.

Second, a beta is much easier to control and his inferiority complex push him to whorship the b1tch and take any sh1t she throw at him.

Women dont like beta, in fact they hate them because having a beta boyfriend is the living sign of their lack of attractivness as a woman, you will see this easily in any commercial center where a fat old woman walks ahead of her beta husband whos carring all the bags with her large clothes.

Dont let yourself fooled from this sh1t, women are as superficial as men when it comes of look, no nice word from you will work on her as a six pack.

The only people which appreciate betas are men for the simple fact that its mostly betas to allow progress and achievement in this society, from engineers to programmers they changed this world not football players or mma fighters.

 

[FairShake]

It's become a nerd's world. After the age of, say, 27 or so it is a nerd's world when it comes to dating. Assuming said nerd can hold a conversation of course.

At LEAST half of all women I know are dating slightly to totally geeky men or want to. ALL the GOOD women I know are dating geeky men or want to. The only real problem with them is that women who prefer nerds get wifed up pretty early and get married and don't cheat. They are not the kind of girls you find on the barstool listening to corny alpha sweet talk. I am sure that SoSuave is a cornucopia of nerds of all types so I think we shouldn't hide that part of our personalities. But I also think that in our 20s we should feign those alpha traits to sew our wild oats.

 

[MatureDJ]

It's become a nerd's world. After the age of, say, 27 or so it is a nerd's world when it comes to dating. Assuming said nerd can hold a conversation of course.

At LEAST half of all women I know are dating slightly to totally geeky men or want to. ALL the GOOD women I know are dating geeky men or want to. The only real problem with them is that women who prefer nerds get wifed up pretty early and get married and don't cheat. They are not the kind of girls you find on the barstool listening to corny alpha sweet talk. I am sure that SoSuave is a cornucopia of nerds of all types so I think we shouldn't hide that part of our personalities. But I also think that in our 20s we should feign those alpha traits to sew our wild oats.

I wouldn't have much of a problem with that 27 y.o., so long as she is still hot, with perky breasts, skinny waist, slender arms, etc., and yes, WITHOUT THE RUGRATS! :trouble:

 

[FairShake]

The kind of girl who goes for nerdy guys is less likely to have kids at the age of 27.

 

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More bullsh!t filler to serve the fem-centric imperative, give the beta chode a smile on his way to work and keep the gears turning.

This heavily blue pill influenced "study" could have at least put a disclaimer that results will only be seen when she's in her mid 30's, had her temporary fill of azzholes and ready to settle for a provider.

 

[Burroughs]

nerds = betas with money (IPO or VC funded startup in series B)

thus nerds = perfect hottie fallback as she ages and wants off the cawk
carousel

/thread

 

[nismo-4]

Women prefer geeks when they have lots of money. Having lots of money can make you look sexy even if you look like you got beat up by Tyson and Holyfield at the same time! Also, they find stability in nerds. Once again, a nerd is sexy if he's got lots of money.

Judge nismo rules this article complete bullsh*t! Don't you all know that all women desire a strong muscular millionaire who has marriage on his mind?

What a bunch of bvllsh1t, women turn to beta only when they have to no different that a guy turning to fat girls.

Exactly.

They get fvcked from masculine men till they can for many reasons like instinct,ego,bragging and validation then when they no longer have what it takes to compete for those men, they accept the attention of a beta who will not mess up their ego checking other women nor will get them sleepless nights.

Geeks can be in that top 10% of men that all women want provided they're successful. They can BUY a alpha male body if they want. These days, even women in their 50's think a doctor or some other top 10% male will discover them. If one doesn't come along, she has no problem sitting alone at home watching Sex And The City and fantasizing about said male.

Second, a beta is much easier to control and his inferiority complex push him to whorship the b1tch and take any sh1t she throw at him.

Cuz he typically ain't used to female attention, love, sex, and companionship.

Women dont like beta, in fact they hate them because having a beta boyfriend is the living sign of their lack of attractivness as a woman, you will see this easily in any commercial center where a fat old woman walks ahead of her beta husband whos carring all the bags with her large clothes.

I see it a lot in Atlanta! All women want alpha males, and there aren't enough to go around.

Dont let yourself fooled from this sh1t, women are as superficial as men when it comes of look, no nice word from you will work on her as a six pack.

Being very physically and/ or financially fit gets you lots of women. Much, much more than your awesome game and great personality. Those traits really don't get to shine as much as most men want them to.

The only people which appreciate betas are men for the simple fact that its mostly betas to allow progress and achievement in this society, from engineers to programmers they changed this world not football players or mma fighters.

Football players and mma fighters have success for the most part. They won the proverbial lottery. Women always love winners.

Women know exactly what they want. And this type of man is a VERY RARE FIND.

Case closed.

 

[zekko]

You guys seem to think that you're either a smart nerd beta or you're a muscular alpha. One of the most beta acting guys I know is a very tall, good looking guy who works out. Because he's tall and good looking, women are constantly draped all over him.

And since he's smart and has a degree, he also makes pretty good money. And he's married, so he has preselection.

Nearly everybody is into fitness these days. I lifted weights for 25 years before I ever found this forum. The idea that only people who have found this forum and/or buy into the DJ lifestyle work out or have good bodies is highly laughable.

Also, if you buy into the idea that women want men who are more fit to survive, why wouldn't they start to appreciate the smarter nerd types who will someday have the muscular player grunts working for them? Intelligence will earn your way in the modern world far better than an alpha body. Look at Mark Zuckerburg or Bill Gates. Seems only natural to me that women would start responding to the changing model.

 

[Jitterbug]

Yeah babes all around the world are diddling themselves to Zuckerberg and Gates's faces before bed every night. On college / uni campus in every country, you see girls gathering near the computer science and engineering buildings hoping a cute geek would approach them.

Sometimes I have to wonder if you're actually serious about what you post here, zekko.

The "women are into geeks" trope is from the same factory that manufactures "real men love women with curves".

I work with geeks (scientists). Most of them get nothing and you'd hardly look twice at the women who are into any of them.

Who do you think pay big money for those PUA bootcamps and seminars? Geeks or jocks?

A geek can do well with women, but it's always in spite of him being a geek, not because.

 

[zekko]

What i'm trying to say, Jitterbug, is that there are various factors at play when it comes to attraction. A good looking nerd may do better than an ugly jock.

If the nerd makes a good wage, that may help them too. Perhaps I'm wrong here, but I'm guessing the biggest problem with your scientist friends is that they don't get out there into situations where they meet and interact with women. If they did, maybe some would take an interest in them.

 

[Jitterbug]

"Perhaps I'm wrong here, but I'm guessing the biggest problem with your scientist friends is that they don't get out there into situations where they meet and interact with women"

Two problems:

1. Being a real successful geek means a lot of time & effort dedicated to work. After work, they're all exhausted. Hardly any time & energy left to chase girls around. Girls don't make it easy for them either, unlike other types of guys they're actually into.

2. They do go out enough, but girls don't flock to places they go to, nor to them. See any hotties at Comic Con that aren't paid to be there?

I also happen to know lots of jocks and artists (in fact I'm a bit of both myself). Those two types don't deliberately seek out places women go to either, but women simply gravitate towards places they hang out at.

Do you get what I'm saying here?

That and the fact that hardly any girl hangs out near the science and engineering buildings at universities, but you can always count on plenty of hotties around arts, commerce and law buildings, plus the campus sport fields, to name a few.

Are you familiar with stated vs revealed preferences?

Women don't prefer geeks; they don't go for geeks with the same zeal they do with jocks and artists. Like I said earlier, successful geeks succeed in spite of their geeky interests / careers, not because of. Struggling artists and college athletes get laid; do you see struggling computer science students get laid?

Don't bother bringing up the mega elite rich geeks like Zuckerberg either. You know what kind of girls would **** those guys.

 

[st_99]

I think we just have to keep in mind that 80% of us are probably somewhere in the middle of geek beta and alpha cool guy. So we shouldn't argue the outliers, yes the 10% total dweebs probably aren't getting any sex and the 10% alpha cool guys probably are getting decent amount of sex. But, for the masses, the 80%, its all a mixed bag.

I have a cousin who is smoking hot, dresses all sexy and sh!t, a head turner, but is in a serious relationship with what i consider a kind of nerdy dude. First time i saw him i was scratching my head, like huh?? I wouldn't think she would go for that type at all. But, maybe he has some other balancing out attributes. I mean, he isn't a total loser type of geek but has a geek vibe, but maybe has some other cool attributes that i don't know about.

 

[nismo-4]

"Perhaps I'm wrong here, but I'm guessing the biggest problem with your scientist friends is that they don't get out there into situations where they meet and interact with women"

Two problems:

1. Being a real successful geek means a lot of time & effort dedicated to work. After work, they're all exhausted. Hardly any time & energy left to chase girls around. Girls don't make it easy for them either, unlike other types of guys they're actually into.

Girls make it easy for them if they have lots of money or status. I've hardly heard of a geek getting laid or a girlfriend becaust of his personality or inteligence. Hell, women want a man who has lots of money, but also has a lot of time to spend with her. She will cheat if you don't.

2. They do go out enough, but girls don't flock to places they go to, nor to them. See any hotties at Comic Con that aren't paid to be there?

LMAO! I'm a huge fan of The Legend of Zelda, and being that I'm not successful yet, I have yet to hear of a girl who would be ecstatic to "Play with someone's Deku Nuts" or "Clean somebody's Master Sword." They are more than likely to play these guys like an Ocarina.

I also happen to know lots of jocks and artists (in fact I'm a bit of both myself). Those two types don't deliberately seek out places women go to either, but women simply gravitate towards places they hang out at.

Intelligence is overrated. Women want what a man has IN THE PRESENT.

Do you get what I'm saying here?

Geeks are shunned unless they've got money. Also, women like getting the seed from an alpha, and getting child support from a beta.

That and the fact that hardly any girl hangs out near the science and engineering buildings at universities, but you can always count on plenty of hotties around arts, commerce and law buildings, plus the campus sport fields, to name a few.

How could you forget medical?! When a woman sees you training for a lucrative career, she'll come near because she KNOWS how much these fields make.

Are you familiar with stated vs revealed preferences?

Very to the 5th power. Case and point, have you ever read those surveys about what women want in a man? They always tend to rank things like Personality, confidence, sense of humor, smile, and ambition highly. What they DON'T TELL YOU is that that stuff only matters when you pass her physical and financial tests.

Women don't prefer geeks; they don't go for geeks with the same zeal they do with jocks and artists. Like I said earlier, successful geeks succeed in spite of their geeky interests / careers, not because of. Struggling artists and college athletes get laid; do you see struggling computer science students get laid?

If women preferred geeks with ambitions, MIT students would have groupies! I've hardly seen a struggling computer science student get laid.

Don't bother bringing up the mega elite rich geeks like Zuckerberg either. You know what kind of girls would **** those guys.

Zuckerberg can have a conversation about Zelda and women will get turned on. Because he's in the top 10% of men! They can do very little wrong. Of course there's golddiggers, but billionaire and millionaire status can make any man on the planet sexy.

I think we just have to keep in mind that 80% of us are probably somewhere in the middle of geek beta and alpha cool guy. So we shouldn't argue the outliers, yes the 10% total dweebs probably aren't getting any sex and the 10% alpha cool guys probably are getting decent amount of sex. But, for the masses, the 80%, its all a mixed bag.

The 10% alphas have no problem getting women. The women in the 80% these days think that one of these guys will magically come to them. Not all of them, but I've seen a lot of them do it. Even women past 50 think they're entitled!

I have a cousin who is smoking hot, dresses all sexy and sh!t, a head turner, but is in a serious relationship with what i consider a kind of nerdy dude. First time i saw him i was scratching my head, like huh?? I wouldn't think she would go for that type at all. But, maybe he has some other balancing out attributes. I mean, he isn't a total loser type of geek but has a geek vibe, but maybe has some other cool attributes that i don't know about.

If a hot girl is in a relationship with a nerd, it usually means one of these things:
1. They've been dating for a long time and he wasn't always like that.
2. He has money.
3. She has low self-esteem.
4. He's in a high status social circle.
All I can say is that he somehow passed her tests. Being that he's classified a nerd, he's less likely to stray. I wonder how long this relationship lasted and how many muscular men she's seeing behing his back.

Read betwe- That's how it happens in real life.

 

[Burroughs]

Women don't prefer geeks; they don't go for geeks with the same zeal they do with jocks and artists. Like I said earlier, successful geeks succeed in spite of their geeky interests / careers, not because of. Struggling artists and college athletes get laid; do you see struggling computer science students get laid?

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Yes a 100%

If you were to a take walk down mass ave to MIT you would see no dripping wet groupies waiting for the next kid ready to emerge with his internet innovation that will go IPO in 3 years...nope you don't see it

you see it to a SLIGHT extend at Harvard where kids who are building companies do get attention as kids on the make, but only from less attractive harvard girls who are bossy repressed lesbians essentially (see zucks chick)...but even then the hottest girls want the traditionally handsome, six one, swimmers build, etc..if a nerd fits these specs he'll be in but other than that if the nerd doesn't have serious $$ IN THE NOW...frankly women don't give a fvck.

ambition isn't sexy anymore don't believe the hype..remember most girls are delusional..they believe THEY are famous simply because of the number of their facebook 'friends'. so like any 'celeb' bishes want the prettiest things around them and that includes boys....what some average looking nerd is going to earn IN THE FUTURE is of no consequence to her.

 

[Blue Phoenix]

Yes a 100%
Ambition isn't sexy anymore don't believe the hype..remember most girls are delusional..they believe THEY are famous simply because of the number of their facebook 'friends'. so like any 'celeb' bishes want the prettiest things around them and that includes boys....what some average looking nerd is going to earn IN THE FUTURE is of no consequence to her.

Spot on! I had the chance to see a girl´s facebook account. Guess what? The only thing I saw was pictures of them on the beach, them posing against the mirror and their friends saying how wonderful they look... It´s all about image and status. I don´t think this is an isolated case.

Whereas a guy´s facebook account is more likely to have jokes or other things. Women already have their army or girls boosting their egos, and with guys coming along, they think their sh1t smells.

It´s a lot like the law of supply and demand. If unbalanced, it will screw up whoever is on the down side of it ("disadvantaged").

Putting Women on Pedestals: Don’t Do It (article)
http://www.shrink4men.com/2012/04/05/putting-women-on-pedestals-dont-do-it/
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/avoiceformen/2012/04/03/get-her-off-that-pedestal (podcast)

 

[nismo-4]

Jitterbug and Who Dares Win Have nailed it! Burroughs, you did too! I gotta spread rep around before giving it again! Damn.

Yes a 100%

If you were to a take walk down mass ave to MIT you would see no dripping wet groupies waiting for the next kid ready to emerge with his internet innovation that will go IPO in 3 years...nope you don't see it

you see it to a SLIGHT extend at Harvard where kids who are building companies do get attention as kids on the make, but only from less attractive harvard girls who are bossy repressed lesbians essentially (see zucks chick)...but even then the hottest girls want the traditionally handsome, six one, swimmers build, etc..if a nerd fits these specs he'll be in but other than that if the nerd doesn't have serious $$ IN THE NOW...frankly women don't give a fvck.

ambition isn't sexy anymore don't believe the hype..remember most girls are delusional..they believe THEY are famous simply because of the number of their facebook 'friends'. so like any 'celeb' bishes want the prettiest things around them and that includes boys....what some average looking nerd is going to earn IN THE FUTURE is of no consequence to her.

Everyone needs to read this again and again! That bold hit the bullseye! Lots of women these days have lots of entitlement issues, and they want to make sure their "Golden Vagina" is taken care of, physically or financially.

Your hopes, dreams, wishes, pride, and ambition won't assist you when bills are due.

 

[Jitterbug]

This is not to say that there's anything wrong with geeky interests or careers. If you have it, own it. I don't look down on geeks, I have some geeky interests of my own, but I understand that they don't tingle any pvssy. Those articles and magazines going on about women preferring geeks are selling snake oil.

 

[backbreaker]

womenese really is like, a foreign language. you either speak it or you don't.

let me put it like this. I have the worst foot fetish on earth lol. I love pretty feet. can't date a woman without pretty feet. I like my women/wife to wear sandles and open toed shoes and heels at all times just about.

this article, it would be like, it would be like someone writing an article about "men love pretty feet" and then go on to talk about how men really like girls with pretty feet and crap and then you have all these girls going out and getting manicures which they do anyway, but the article is missing one very key ingredient.

I like pretty feet on hot women lol. you having pretty feet or cute feet but being 160 pounds and 5'6 i don't give a **** how pretty your feet are.

Women do love an intelligent man. Women do find intelligence sexy. Not even because of the money or anything just, there is something that turns a woman on about a man knowing what's going on around him and being cultured and being able to talk about things other than sex or what not. But the key is, the woman want the men that they already find sexy to be intelligent lol. intelligence by itself isn't going to get you jack ****. An intelligent mind is the difference between two cute/handsome guys to a woman. ti's a tie breaker. It's not the sole requirement

 

[backbreaker]

I know 2 types of women that like geeky to normal guys:

1.Quality girls(cant call them normal girls because they are out of the norm these days). These type get wifed up real quick if even remotely good looking.

2.HPD/BPD/NPD women looking for an easy target

we tend to put women into extremes here.

the girl that borught me here, i won';t revel her real name but let's call her K, is a knockout. still is. and could have just about any man she wanted. she ended up marrying a pretty good looking dude who is more nerdy than alpha. he's not a nerd but you won't ever mistake him for an alpha male. but he's very handsome no homo. plus his family has a little bit of money and her father in law got her the break as a newscaster.

but what i have learned studying or looking at their relationship, she's not.. not passionate about him. to her marrying him was a calculated decision. he's hot enough to have sex with, smart enough to make a decent living and buy me **** and beta enough to not want to lose me and do whatever i tell him to do.

for the women who can't marry the rock star millionare this is the next best thing. K, while she had her issues, was no one's dummie. she knew how to play the game and knew exactly when to take her chips and cash in. if she wanted to today she could be single screwing allt he hot shots around town or whever she lived but she knew her looks would fade. she has a man that buys her anything she looks at and never argues with her and he's good looking enough to get it on with when she feels like it.