Article: "Bad-boy moves women love" - and game over for us

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Looks like "game" has officially made the masses.

http://yahoo.match.com/y/article.aspx?articleid=12983&TrackingID=526103&BannerID=1332738


Sorry to break this to you, single men, but it is possible to be too nice. And if you’re reading this article, you’ve probably fallen into the trap of following all the rules — you wined and dined her, asked her questions, called the next day — but still didn’t win her heart. What gives? “Women like a nice guy at first,” says Dr. Robert Glover, author of No More Mr. Nice Guy. But niceness can also be seen as weakness — and that’s a major turn-off for most women. So how do you show a date that you’re genuinely interested in her without going overboard? We asked Dr. Glover and single men and women for some pointers that should help even the meekest man make a stronger statement during dates.

DO take charge
“Dating is like a dance: If you don’t take the lead, she has to,” Dr. Glover says. “Most women don’t want to be in charge.” Asking her out is a big step, but it’s not enough. Dr. Glover suggests having a particular day and plan already picked out in advance: “Asking her to go out sometime leaves too many details to be determined. Instead, ask her to meet you for drinks on Tuesday.” That way, all she has to decide is whether or not she’s free that night.

DO disagree with her
“Nothing irritates me more than someone who agrees with everything I say, even when I can tell he has another opinion,” says Theresa M. from Washington, D.C. “If I wanted to hear my thoughts on a subject, I would just talk to myself. I want a guy who will challenge me.” By avoiding conflict with your date, you may as well be wearing a big sign that says, I’m a pushover! If you don’t see eye-to-eye with her, say so.

DO tease her a little
You won’t ever find a woman who doesn’t like a man who’s funny. So go ahead and let your sarcasm streak or dry sense of humor shine — just make sure to do it playfully. Sean, 35, from New York City, attests to the power of this move: “I used some playful teasing on my last date — I told her, ‘Your head isn’t nearly as large as it looks on your profile’ — and we were able to use all that built-in first-date tension to our advantage.” By carrying yourself this way, you’ll look confident — which, by the way, is a turn-on for everyone.

DO talk about yourself
Don’t ramble on about your own life constantly, but mentioning things here and there is a good way to make sure your date doesn’t feel like she’s interrogating you. Instead, ask her where she was born; then, when she’s done answering you, drop a few relevant details about your life. “Everything was always about me with this one guy I dated. It was so annoying,” says Alina from Chicago. “There’s no way I’m that interesting! I kept waiting for him to tell me something.”

DON’T plan elaborate dates
“The first two or three dates should be simple, casual coffee-type meetings. You should pay for them, but they should be cheap,” says Dr. Glover. Do the opposite, and you just look like you’re trying too hard, says Marissa from Johnson City, TN. “A guy bought concert tickets for a band I had mentioned in passing,” she explains. “He spent way too much money. It was shocking, and I felt like I owed him something afterward.” Clearly, these are not good feelings to build a relationship on.

DON’T compliment your date too much
“An ex-boyfriend gave me compliments all the time,” says Rachel from Harrisonburg, VA. “It got to the point that I didn’t believe him anymore, and I figured he said those things to every woman he dated.” Seeming insincere is bad, but it can get even worse: “She’ll like it at first, but persistent flattery will start to spook her in some way,” says Dr. Glover. Forget the usual flood of flattery, then, and show her you care by the occasional compliment from the heart — and by being reliable.

DON’T try to speed up the relationship
After a great date, you may feel compelled to ask her out again — right then and there — for the next night… and the weekend after, too. Go slowly — don’t overwhelm a woman with attention. Dr. Glover suggests you only see each other once a week (at most) at the start of a new relationship. If you seem too eager, you’ll look needy and available for most women. “After a second date, this guy wanted to spend all of his time with me,” says Caroline, 28, from Los Angeles. “I started to wonder if he had his own life, but I didn’t want to stick around to find out.” So to avoid that fate, pace yourself, enjoy the anticipation — and let things unfold slowly and steadily.
 

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Game over for us? This is good advice...and it's not like, a secret. It's stuff that guys know, but some suckers choose not to follow because they wanna show girls that they're "different".
 

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Woah this just fvcking hit me hard.. What the fvck? So all the girl has to do is put on a bit of make and show up. No fvckig effort on her part. Welcome to the 21 century people. Seems like my life as a monk is becoming more realistic every day, why should we have to put up with this shlt??
 

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This is all basic stuff. It's not game over at all. You can still be nice / decent and challenging, interesting, and mysterious. Very easy to be nice and attractive. Nice guys are on another level altogether. Being nice doesn't make you a nice guy.
 

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SamTheHobit said:
Woah this just fvcking hit me hard.. What the fvck? So all the girl has to do is put on a bit of make and show up. No fvckig effort on her part. Welcome to the 21 century people. Seems like my life as a monk is becoming more realistic every day, why should we have to put up with this shlt??
they dont even have to wear make up, 30lbs overweight is average body type these days too!

the decks are even more loaded these days. so much media and femology telling us what an ideal man is....f cuck thatlive your life, be good and what you enjoy and be passionate about t, focus on it, not women. women will come, if you run after them, you scare them off
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Anyone here think we're reaching a changing of the guards where the pressure for men to be a certain standard will top female pressure?

Right now the pressure is on the female to be attractive. But even unattractive girls are landing dates, while at the same time, attractive nice guys are striking out, the bad boy is becoming more accepted by the mainstream as a rite of passage. almost all girls i've spoken to either admit to having gone through the bad boy phase, or are currently in it. their reasoning is "i want to have fun now and settle down with a nice guy later"

not only that, but we have pressures to be fit and whatnot as well.

so it's like we're gonna have a bunch of fake alpha douches with six packs walking around fighting for the top women.

maybe that's extreme, but you get my point. the media always talks about how much pressure there is on women, but i'd argue the pressure on men is just as great.
 

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damn.. the more I read from sosuave forum, the more I feel depressed about game. Sh!t, how much do I got to try and put in to finally get a girl friend or occasional sex like a regular man can. I'm tired man sh!T
 

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Mister: Of course... It works both ways. Women try to be skanky barbies, just as guys try to be pretty boy badass. Everyone goes after hot and exciting - then settles with nice and stable later. While still fantasizing about the former. Just the way it is.

There's a LOT of people trying to fit the mold of what is deemed attractive. I knew a bunch of nice girls who became bad sluts later. This is nothing new. Everyone goes through the bad phase, and even become bad themselves.

There's usually more to it than you describe, though. That's a simple-minded and shallow approach to a complex issue. But its common among nice guy rants. People get hurt; they stereotype, become bitter, have delusional views... That's what usually causes this stuff. It's not just hot and sexy now; nice and stable later. A lot of people want the whole package, and believe every crush is "the one". They also try changing them into whatever vision they have of who they COULD be - if only they wait longer, love harder, etc. There's a lot of variables in play. Then you also have the emotional maturity. How many young people really know what they're doing? They just go with the flow, and don't care about depth of character. They just want to have fun, be cool, fit in, have the hottest mate to show off and ****. A lot of things change as you get older. Your entire mindset is a lot different. You don't care about stupid **** anymore. But, when you're young, you don't even think about it. It just happens.

Most of this stuff is just natural evolution of what a person goes through. Nobody knows **** going in. It's not planned out this way, or anything. ****, I tried to wife up skanks for the longest time. Didn't even realize what I was doing. I didn't think, "oh, I'll **** her for a while - then get married to someone else later". I just went with how I felt. Same with all the "game". It's all learned through experience.

Edit: You also have the fact that people date around a lot. They don't always know when someone is good for the long-term, or if they're even gonna like them for years and years. Nothing is pre-determined. Feelings change. Things don't work out. You also have things like abusive relationships, and not wanting to be alone. There's so much to it. People aren't plotting all this **** by the time they hit 16. But a lot of bitter guys think women are evil geniuses. They know even less than us.

Mostly its just unsuccessful people who stereotype to these extremes. Reality is nothing like they believe, at all. Contrary to popular belief - we're all human, make bad decisions, live, learn, adapt, realize, etc.
 
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moneyisking said:
damn.. the more I read from sosuave forum, the more I feel depressed about game. Sh!t, how much do I got to try and put in to finally get a girl friend or occasional sex like a regular man can. I'm tired man sh!T
Feel the exact same way.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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"Game over for us".
Don't be ridiculous! We're So suave, way ahead of these bro's anyway. Plus, no one cares what yahoo has to say, ever. Nobody can stop us!
 

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If she aint "into" shooting and karate, I don't bother with her. If she IS into such things, I have a never ending supply of training tips, stories, etc, to share with her. Women dig the hell out of this, at least, the ones I've been interested in do. :)
 
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MisterD said:
Anyone here think we're reaching a changing of the guards where the pressure for men to be a certain standard will top female pressure?

Right now the pressure is on the female to be attractive. But even unattractive girls are landing dates, while at the same time, attractive nice guys are striking out, the bad boy is becoming more accepted by the mainstream as a rite of passage. almost all girls i've spoken to either admit to having gone through the bad boy phase, or are currently in it. their reasoning is "i want to have fun now and settle down with a nice guy later"

not only that, but we have pressures to be fit and whatnot as well.

so it's like we're gonna have a bunch of fake alpha douches with six packs walking around fighting for the top women.

maybe that's extreme, but you get my point. the media always talks about how much pressure there is on women, but i'd argue the pressure on men is just as great.
No, there will still be women pissing and moaning about "there's so much pressure for us to look perfect, we have to starve ourselves, puke up our dinners, etc." It's not our fault they're too stupid to realize they can live on Big Macs and fries and people will call them "curvy".
 
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