Are we submiting to women by learing the game?

[timmylivingalie]

I have changed my personality, my behavior, my natural nature, my belif system, my habits, my sense of style. Basically transforming myself into a different person just to attract women.

 

[BeDJ]

I'm taking ballroom dancing classes and never seen competition anxiety like it before. That and salsa.

 

[mrRuckus]

Dude, most of this sh1t is getting permission to do what you naturally want to do anyway and unlearning the nonsense modifications that were made to you before you were old and wise enough to have much say in the matter.

 

[Jitterbug]

Just be yourself then. You'll make a great husband to some lucky woman some day.

 

[Mike32ct]

Do you like everything about the new you? If there are things you really DON'T like, then get rid of them.

If you generally like the new you, game is an improvement. If you are forcing yourself to dress or act in way you hate, you are selling yourself out for puss. That's ok to score here and there, but to constantly force yourself to be some guy you don't like is not healthy as a man.

Pair: I do ballroom lol. Some of the more aggressive women don't know how to "follow." I end up in a tug of war with them.

But I see a lot of similarities between what i observe ballroom class and what I've experienced gaming. If she likes your looks, your dancing could be awful and she will love it and be friendly with strong eye contact. If she doesn't like your looks, she will avoid eye contact and act cold no matter how good your dancing is.

Do I consider ballroom "selling out?" As i said above, its only selling out if you don't like it.

 

[Greasy Pig]

You've got it wrong, Timmy. The whole idea of improving yourself is for you only. Attracting high quality women is merely a by-product of that improvement.
Sure, I've changed my demeanour towards women and it has got me laid far more than I ever dreamed.
But I did that to protect myself more than just simply to get loads away into a willing vagina or mouth.

 

[betheman]

Dude, most of this sh1t is getting permission to do what you naturally want to do anyway and unlearning the nonsense modifications that were made to you before you were old and wise enough to have much say in the matter.

lot of truth to this. if you are doing things that feel false and you arent comfortable, you need to evaluate them, of course unlearning certain behaviours will feel unnatural and uncomfortable at first, but if you really arent into ballroom dancing for instnace, dont do it, try something else, do stuff you enjoy.
those are the external things though, how you interact with people and especially women, a lot of guys become too much of a jerk and and just end up looking stupid. go at your own pace, doing what works for you and what youre happy doing, improving yourself and your life, that isnt supplicating

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

It may seem like changing everything about your life just so you can get laid is supplication to the max.

But consider this:

If you wanted to improve your life irrespective of women, what would you do?

Get in shape, become more assertive, become more socially outgoing, acquire wealth, become more persuasive, learn better communication skills, etc.

Without the never ending desire to get laid, conscious or unconscious, most guys would never do any of this stuff.

You can think of learning game (or improving yourself in general) as the true path for all men, and the genetically programmed desire for endless poon as nature's way of keeping us from turning us into fat blobs on the couch.

Of course, there's one crucial distinction:

Improve your life to attract women, never change your life to attract a woman.

 

[vatoloco]

I have changed my personality, my behavior, my natural nature, my belif system, my habits, my sense of style. Basically transforming myself into a different person just to attract women.

Therein lies the problem.

When you can say:

"I have changed my personality, my behavior, my natural nature, my belief system, my habits, my sense of style. Basically I transformed myself into a better person... for my own benefit."​

is when you know you are a Prize.

Which happens to be attractive to women.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Why to NOT Just Be Yourself

16. Dancing Monkey Hate

Hater: Men who run game are just doing the bidding of women. Alphas don’t entertain women.

If you want success with women, you are going to have to entertain them… one way or the other. The same is true of women. Once a woman stops entertaining men with her body, her femininity, and her commitment worthiness by getting fat, old, ugly, *****y, or single mom-y, she stops having success with men. We are all doing the bidding of our biomechanical overlord, and on our knees to his will we surrender, by force or by choice. You fool yourself if you believe you have some plenary indulgence from this stark reality.

 

[muscleman]

I have changed my personality, my behavior, my natural nature, my belif system, my habits, my sense of style. Basically transforming myself into a different person just to attract women.

So?

Did this transformation (and subsequent attraction of women) make you a happier person? That's the fundamental question.

If yes, keep doing it.

If not, you should probably evaluate what you want.

 

[timmylivingalie]

You've got it wrong, Timmy. The whole idea of improving yourself is for you only. Attracting high quality women is merely a by-product of that improvement.
Sure, I've changed my demeanour towards women and it has got me laid far more than I ever dreamed.
But I did that to protect myself more than just simply to get loads away into a willing vagina or mouth.

Your right it has improved my life alot in other areas besides attracting women. I was just saying if a man changes something just to make his self more attractive to women it's kind of like submitting to them.

 

[muscleman]

Your right it has improved my life alot in other areas besides attracting women. I was just saying if a man changes something just to make his self more attractive to women it's kind of like submitting to them.

That's kind of a silly premise. By that logic, you are submitting to whatever goals you want.

If you want to make a lot of money, you are submitting to work/hustling/sacrificing your time and energy for the dollar.

If you want to get in shape, you are submitting to a diet and hard work at the gym.

And so on.

I guess to some guys the notion that they are 'doing it for the pvssy' seems low somehow, but throughout civilization pvssy has been the greatest motivator of all for men. We are slaves to biology.

So if I can make myself a better person in other aspects while at the same time becoming more attractive to women, why not?