approach to sucess ratio?

[tobby]

I'm wondering what percentage of approaches you do are successes? I'm not knocking the process, but I'm interested in the numbers. I've done a lot of approaches, but the sucess rate has been so low, I'm trying to understand if I'm doing something wrong or if it's just like this in general.

My success rate on cold approaches is very low. To be honest, I've never actually suceeded on a cold approach (I mean proceed to date). I've gotten numbers from 10%-15% of the girls I approached, but they've all flaked. I'm wondering if girls, (particularly black girls! I don't want to pull a racial thing, but I've only approached black girls so I'm stating this for factual purposes) nowadays fake interest level.

This has made me a little more reluctant to keep doing them. Most of my relationships have come from social circles or social places. E.g (parties, groups/clubs/ classes etc.)

I do admit I've been really successful (70-80%) when I see IOIs, but I don't like that because it's almost like she's doing the choosing to an extent. I'm approaching, but it's like "don't go towards girls who don't show IOIs."

Just want to here what others say on this.

 

[BuckwildNYC]

Seriously, you really need to read the article on the front page. It's called "A Critical Mistake When Aproaching women" by David Deangelo. Basically it says that 50% of women are taken so you can scratch them off right there. Out of the other 50% probably 30% aren't interested. So that leaves you with 20% out of a hundred who you have a chance with.

But don't get discouraged. That just shows you that you need to be out there interacting with as many girls as possible. Also don't get down from rejections. Basically you have to go through 4 rejections to get 1 yes. Accept it and move on and get that pussssy dog. Don't let anyone stand in your way!!!!

 

[Distant Light]

Play the game right and you will get the results read the post I mad on cold approaching that I had learned from some guy when I first started practicing.

I try not to number close currently because I need a new cell phone and don't want to call girls from my house phone. But I've kissed a few girls off of cold approaches. Its all about the time and quality you put into the set. try to stay in the set for 10-20 mins. Its a must after she has become attracted that you go into rapport that way she will not flake, that can stop atleast 80% of the girls from not flaking you.

 

[Thomas94305]

Dude, you bring up a *VERY* good point. To answer your question, when I ask for the number, I'm successful about 75% of the time in getting it. I don't ask unless *I* feel comfortable with the girl. BUT, flaking is my current sticking point. About 75% of my number closes end up flaking.

I'm currently working on things that inprove my odds. I've noticed a lot has to do with the venue. If I meet someone in a loud club, with live music, there are WAYYY too many distractions. The music is too loud to talk with her much. You can dance, but that's what all the AFC's are doing. When I go to a club where I can talk and joke above the music, I get much further along. I'm also working on conversation skills, ATTITUDE, body language, etc.

If you're getting a low percentage, keep at things. If most of the people here were honest, they're getting about the same. I'd honestly recommend getting buddies who encourage you to keep going. And, try different things. Building your skill is more important than getting any particular girl.

My percentage is gradually improving, and I can elaborate further on what is helping. But, like the saying goes, "insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results". Try some different things, and flow towards what helps.

 

[Tha Realnezz]

Numbers,dates,etc..I don't have a problem with.

Cuz I usually only go after girls that give me strong signals.

But getting laid on the spot ..man..that's a differnt issue.I can always tell what girls are open to something like that but it's never the ones I want.

I say pretty much I can have an 80 percent success rate with any amount of females I even half approach if it boils down to just getting numbers.


But numbers don't mean **** to me.

 

[I'm Joe Dirt]

Success ratio is a very hard thing to measure because you haven't defined what success is. If you are looking at success in terms of how many raw phone numbers you can get, many guys here will have high ratios. Mine would probably be around 90%.

If you are looking at success rate in terms of getting Day 2's that's a different story. That will be significantly lower due to flaking, not calling the girl (if you #-closed for practice but had no real interest in her), her not calling you back even, etc.

If success to you is eventually making out with the girl or even having sex, then probably the ratio will be even lower.

Some people would consider success to just be having a good convo and not getting blown out.

So yeah, be more specific as to what you consider success.

Personally for me, I would consider failure to be getting blown out and having a bad vibe in an interaction. If I start talking to some girls and I get that gut feeling that they don't want me there and I have to eject or they eject first, that's failure. Everything else is a success on some level. If i just have a good convo thats a small success, if I get a number even better, if I get a day 2 then thats even better, and so on.

 

[Socialreject]

Hmm tough question to answer! A lot of women who give me IOI actually have boyfriends! (as in i know they have through a friend of a friend, not as in a silly excuse). So that cuts back a lot on the success ratio there.

Overall when dealing with numbers i would say maybe 50% of the approaches, physical contact of any kind less than 50% of the numbers (i'm going out on a limb and assuming a kiss close is better than number so it's part of that whole but better...errr). The rest end up flaking completely.

Out of those i get a number, or kiss close on the spot i would say like 10% and from here on the successes are pretty high to proceed to date 2, to her place/my place etc, you get the idea.

So ANY kind of success, 50%... The kind of success you really want, Less than 10%.

That being said. I notice something very 'weird' in my successes. There are 'trends' happening. Sometimes i will get numbers from almost every chick i talk to, half of them will be interested in dating and i'll actually have to flake on some of them because i don't have time. Then other times i will get hardly any numbers at all for a while and if i do get some they all end up in absolutely nothing at all but flakes and if it's a date it's a train wreck!

So uhm yeah, kind of stumps me that one. I think right now i need to really work on my short game to get less flakes and more dates out of the numbers i get, because once i get to the date point everything seems to go very smooth. And a boyfriend detection device would be really handy for me. Either that or some way to tell if they are cheaters ;-).

I think i'm still showing a bit too much 'boyfriend' qualities because a lot of the dates end up wanting 'more'.

 

[Badmannaz]

every guy i know...(im not gay, but these guys are fit-lookin) they tell me "o hell yea i get turned down all the time:yes:

The thing that seperates you from them is they've been rejected so many times it's nothing..but they'll only approach what they like they get better w/ experience