Anyone Catch the preakness?

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Probably the best horse race I have seen all year long... and I'lve seen a lot.

you just don't see that happen... once a horse makes a move like that, he's usually gone and the horse that he pasted is caught.

however Street Sense's stride started to shorten at about the 8th pole and I think it was more of Curlin able to get the distance moreso than him "battling back".. curlin put in a game effort, and he was my ticket and I'm from arkansas so I like curlin, but you are looking at a hell of an underlay going into the belmont if Rags To Riches decides to actaully run in the Belmont.. she'd make mincemet of this field going that distance
 

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Yeah...I was glued to the TV screaming "RUN YOU SON OF A B!TCH RUN!!!!!!!

....damn, I knew I should have bet on him.
 

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Yeah...I was glued to the TV screaming "RUN YOU SON OF A B!TCH RUN!!!!!!!

....damn, I knew I should have bet on him.
that's what I was saying to Curlin in the derby

I normally don't get too attached to hroses, but I hate street sense. I don't know why. I know why now... he is extremely overrated. His sire, Street Cry was unbeatable at Churchill Downs.. couldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. outside of kentucky, execpt for winning the Dubai World Cup.. which i guess is a pretty nice accomplishment, was a GOOD horse, a very GOOD horse, but wasn't a GREAT horse.

STreet Sense, if you take out all his churchill starts, is a GOOD horse, but isn't a GREAT horse. he was 20 to 1 in the BC Juvenille. no one with in their right mind had him. he constantly ran against the best 2 year olds last year, and didn't beat one of any significance.. then you get to churchill, which again, he loves, makes that sweeping move and the media gets ahole of him and now he's a super horse. it doesn't hurt that the kentucky derby is held at churchill downs every year.

my thoguhts were confirmed in the Tampa Bay Derby this year.. he strugged to beat a horse (any given saturday) who I knew wasn't going to be in the running int he derby.. Then he goes to Keenland and loses to Dominican by a nose. But then gest to his fav track and rumps.

He never had a shot to win the triple crown. Espically not with Calvin Borel on his back. your best bet to win the TC was Curlin, and he lost the race when they drew post positions. As soon as I saw that he got the two post I said to myself well.. no TC this year. unless you fly to the front, which curlin doesn't do, or are a DEEP closer, which curlin isn't, you don't want to have the first 3 post positions in a 20 horse field, and you definatly don't want it with only 3 starts under your belt.

Curlin has only raced 4 times and already has a 105 beyer to his credit. He's a freak of nature.

but that ride by Robby Alverado was horrendous in the preakness. he couldn't control his horse and he moved too quickly, but the horse was just that much game.

I also bet that Street Sense doesn't go to the Belmont. He isn't built to go a mile and a half, and I don't think he will finish on the board if he did go. I think Rags to Riches is the horse to beat if she goes. The best Filly to come along in (at least to me) since Silverbulletday, but unlike Silverbulleday, the farther she goes, the tougher she is to beat. She's bred to run mathrons, her half brother won last year. her last race which she earned a 105ish beyer, would have put her probably 3rd in the derby in front of curlin.

BTW, the best 3 year old in the world is a hosre down in South America named Asiatic Boy.. however because he was born in the southern hemisphere he is considered by american standards to be a 4 year old and wouldn't be allowed to run as a 3 year old here (just like invasor last year, who techinically was 3). The horse is a beast... He won the UAE Derby drawing off in hand, and has won the UAE Triple Crown.. this years breeders cup will be the best in years if SS and Curlin don't retire early
 

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I don't really follow horse racing, but I find the whole lull in triple crown winners facinating. Remember Smarty Jones? When he made that final turn at Belmont and everyone was like crying and hugging and s.hit thinking they were seeing history in the making then that one dude caught him at the very end? Thats when I knew, people take this s.hit seriously. lol! People were making Smarty Jones t-shirts and everything! WOW!
 

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Helluva race ... tie for a record Preakness time, I heard.

It looked like Street Sense made a bit too strong a move to take the lead ... but it also looked like Curlin had all he needed, and was letting the leader dictate his moves.

Gotta favor Curlin in the Belmont.
 

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actually when smarty jones was making that turn around the backstretch, I was yelling at the TV... actually was yelling at Stewart Elliot to be more specefic, for making that move about a quarter of a mile too early. the pressure got to him. Smarty didn't have THAT muck kick to get a mile and a quarter making the move when he made it. I knew he lost. didn't know to who, but I knew he would get run down.

The closest we have came has been Real Quiet. If the Belmont was written to be a mile and 879 yards instead of a mile and 880, Real Quiet would have won the triple crown. got beat by not even a head. About half a nose.

Afleet Alex had the best chance to win it, but Jermery Rose f'ed up in the derby and took the inside trip when the rail had been dead all day.. he admitted he f'ed up after the race, and came back and rumped the last two races.. was easily the best 3 year old in his crop.

I'm from arkansas and I always liked Smarty Jones, but I think the Cliff's Edge might have been better. Probably the most unluckiest horse ever. Was the morning line fav of the derby, and in the race, out the gate he looses his front two shoes (and the race is in the slop) and still finishes 5th. Then because of the injury he got running the derby he was scratched minutes before the preakness started... I think he's standing at stud now, but that was a hell of a horse, even though I think smarty still would have won the preakness.

This is what I do for a living (horse racing) so I take it very seriously. the more people who we can get to come in the game, the better for everyone. the more money in the para mutal pools, the more the purses go up, etc.

the problem you have no is that horses are bred to sale isntead of being bred to race. Inbreeding and breeding to horses who are known to be injury prone, creates brittle horses who can't withstand the triles and tribulations of the game, espiically at the classic distance (mile and a quarter).

out of all the preakness contenders, Curlin probably has soundest pedigree... Street Sense is pretty good, but once you get down the line a little in his pedigree it's pretty bad.

You see these horese sired by AP Indy (Rags to Riches), Stormy Atlantic (Stormello, magnificance-who is the only filly that can give Rags to riches a run for her money, who i sout for the year because of injury), Johnaneseburg (Tefelsburg, Scat Daddy), horeses who have Storm Cat directly within their blood lines, either by sire, grandsire or damsire (Storm in may, any given saturday, Sam P).. they are built to be fast, and that's what they do... but they aren't built for a long term racing career and they don't hold up.

That's why although I always roote for hosres like Brother Derek, Hard Spun, who is a danzing, who is one of the more durable horses you will find. Tiago is by pleasant Tap, who might be my fav sire right now.. his horses will run for ever and a day.. he's the sire of premimum tap who came in a game as hell 2nd in the Dubai World Cup to take him his second place share of 6 million.. can't beat that. Holy Bull colts won't bring alot at sales rings, but you can't write a distance long enough where they can't run it, if you like grays, he is for you (even though he wasn't gray, at least until he got older)

I like smarty jones, he got wisked away to stud so fast it wasn't funny. had one of the better confirmations you can have.. the only horse that looked better was probably Barbaro... who wouldn't have own the TC BTW


Injuries play a large part of it as well.. A horse by the name of Ghostzapper was probably the best race horse north america has seen in the last 10 years, but was taken off the TC trail when he developed an injury. When he came back however, you couldn't come within 10 lengthes of him. he has the highest Beyer in the last 10 years, an only lost 2 races out of like 13... very lightly raced, but he showed up when the money wa son the line, and you couldn't beat him.. the only horse I have ever seen with my own two eyes that had enough in him to lead a group of horses for a mile and a quarter... Grade 1 horses mind you, and pull away in hand in the end like he was breezing, he's by awesome again.
 

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Bonhomme said:
Helluva race ... tie for a record Preakness time, I heard.

It looked like Street Sense made a bit too strong a move to take the lead ... but it also looked like Curlin had all he needed, and was letting the leader dictate his moves.

Gotta favor Curlin in the Belmont.
I think after 2nd look, they were literarly .03 seconds short of Zito's horse in 96.. he did it in like 1:53:43, Curlin did it in 1:53:46
 

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Interesting info, backbreaker.

Secretariat was undoubtedly the most dominant horse in recent Triple Crown history ... and the timings backed it up. Any of his breeding line make waves recently?
 

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actually yes and no.


people say "big red" was a disopointment at sire... BUT although he wasn't a dominiant sire, he might be one of the most important dam sires of all time.

See, big red had the biggest heart ever reported by a race horse.. about 22 pounds (they took it out after he died for an autopsy, he was an insured horse).. the avg horse's heart size is 8.9 pounds. Secretariat was literarly a cut above the rest.. The reason that's important is because that trait has been proven to be passed to dams (fillies), so when you are looking for Secretariat in breeding, it's always more prudent to look on the dam side than the sire side.

But the most important horse he ever sired was a lightly known damn named TERLINGUA. She wasn't a bad race horse.. earned about half a mil in earnings... but she is the dam of Storm Cat and is one of the better dams of all time. Storm Cat for thoose of you don't know, is the sire of sires as of now.. he commands a 500k fee for every live foal he produces (can you imagine getting paid 500k for fvcking?).. i'm not a huge fan of storm cat.. he isn't very sound and his horses don't last very long, but storm cat has sired cat theif, giants causeway (great sire himself), tobasco cat, sharp cat, storm flag flying, bluegrass cat, sweet catomine, hennessey (GREAT sire), forestry (GREAT, GREAT sire, sired the most expensive horse to ever be sold, the green monkey, 16.4 mil), Sea of Secreats (up and coming sire), Stormy Atlantic...

and don't even get me in the list of horses he has grandsired. Also, thoose are just the horses you probably or at least should have known about. he has sired 96 graded stakes winners, earngins over 100 million dollars, and if a horse wins a graded steaks these days, there is about a 25% chance he had something to do with it. however like i said, his racing career was cut short because of injury.. not a sound horse, but he passes on his speed.

so I guess you can say the big red is very prolific in that sense,, as he was storm cat's damsire.

The most important sires in US history are probably Northen Dancer, Mr. Prospector, and then Storm Cat. Every horse in the kentucky derby has one of the three in their bloodlines.
 
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