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another night out.. increased confidence on the dancefloor, and alcohol..

MrNiceGuy

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The title here is slightly misleading, it may imply that alcohol helped my game on the night out in question.. while in some areas it probably did.. in others I think it probably harmed it..

anyway, a week or so ago I posted this thread http://www.sosuave.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35851 which was basically a moan about my lack of confidence grinding with chicks..

anyway since then I've been feeling more confident and better about myself lately, went out on saturday to watch the rugby, then after that finished went to a pub with cheap shots, knocked back quite a few and so by the time it chucked out at 11 I was absoloutely hammered... anyway, in the club me and my mate went pretty much straight onto the dancefloor, and stayed there all evening..I don't remember too much, and most of the night seemed to flash by but I do remember dancing with two girls..

the first one.. I can't remember why I started dancing with her.. I think that basically her ass was near me so I just grabbed her and she didn't resist, and this time I didn't wuss out like I did in my previous post, I held her, stuck my crotch firmly up against her ass, and moved with her, plus I worked my hands up and down her body and over her thighs, eventually (after a long period of time) I did break off.. she showed no signs of turning around to face me and I was getting bored.. the pospect of actually trying to talk to her didn't even cross my mind (possibly due to the booze).. anyway, shortly after dancing with me she went back to dancing with some guy she'd been dancing with before and she stayed with him for the rest of the evening I think, he may have been her boyfriend (they were necking occasionally) and she was just after a bit of fun, anyway I wasn't too bothered..

now the next chick, again I can't remember why I started dancing with her, I dunno if she backed into me or not, I think I may have just grabbed her again.. I certainly dont remember even seeing her face, I danced with her same way I danced with the chick before, after a minute or so I got bored and broke off.. then a bit later on she was still around so I started dancing behind her again.. broke off again cos I was getting bored and she didn't make any effort to turn around.. and then I went back again one last time.. same result.. again, the idea that I might need to talk to her or somehow force her to turn around and look at me didn't cross my mind at all.. I dont think I actually saw this girls face at all..

I stayed feeling pretty good all night, and ended up having a little C+F convo with some girls in the kebab shop on the way home

anyway, on the way back home me and my mate were chatting about the night, hes got a girlfriend but he was saying to me..

him: "it was pretty good in there wasn't it? I was pretty tempted. I can't believe you didn't pull.." (hes only known me a month so isn't aware of my lack of success with ladies)
me: "why?"
him: "there was loads of girls in there.. they were gagging for it.."

his conclusion, (and mine) was that I wasn't trying hard enough. and to be honest I wasn't.. the two girls I danced with, well I just grabbed (pun intended) the opportunity when it was there.. and the rest of the night I didn't make any effort to really impose myself into girls personal spaces on the dancefloor or approach them, sure I danced near them, but I never actually put myself in front of them or tried to make EC. In fact I don't remember making any EC with anyone all night..

this is where the alcohol comes in.. I was so pissed and having such a good time, I wasn't really thinking about approaching/making EC/talking to girls I danced with at all.. and seeing as its something that doesn't come naturally to me yet I didn't do it.. plus I was pretty hammered and therefore was probably looking a bit like a drunken tw*t, (some of the phots taken with my digital cam confirm that)

so what have we learnt today? my confidence on the dancefloor has increased which is good, but its still not high enough and I'm still not making enough of an effort.. alcohol is good if you wanna have a good time, but it can lead you to forget important things.. although of course we all know that thinking too hard about pulling can be detrimental, its then that self doubt starts to set in,

anyway thats it.. key questions

grinding/dancing how much convo do you need.. (if any) when should you try it? is EC necessary?

the alcohol debate, get pissed or not? sober and analytical or drunk and uninhibited (albeit with a lack of direction)?? lets have your thoughts.. I guess I think somewhere in the middle is best..
 

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Originally posted by MrNiceGuy
..I don't remember too much, and most of the night seemed to flash by..
Well this says it all for me, I mean, is this really how you want to live your life? Does this sound like a confident, integrated male?

Been there, done that, btw, for way too many years. I used to drink Stoli on the rocks like it was ice water. Had a nice little party going on in my own head, but out in the real world I was just another fukked up human being, drinking to hide from my problems instead of facing them head on and actually solving them. Any self-confidence gained from alcohol is an illusion.
 

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Originally posted by MrNiceGuy
this is where the alcohol comes in.. I was so pissed and having such a good time, I wasn't really thinking about approaching/making EC/talking to girls I danced with at all..
And see how much fun you had? And how many girls were "gagging for it?"

Now can you do this WITHOUT the alcohol? Without the sloppiness? :)

If you can, you're all set! :D
 

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yeah, thats the thing.. can I do it without the alcohol..?

If I'm in a good mood, then.. I think.. yes.
at the moment the trade off is trying to maintain focus for what I'm trying to do, without overanalysing and allowing self doubt to set in..

So, hopefully things are finally starting to come together..

With regards, do I want to live my life like that and so on.. well I'm by no means an alcoholic, in fact saturday was the first time I'd been really, really drunk for quite a few weeks..
I've stopped what I was doing a few years ago, which was drinking and drinking, but then ending up sat in the corner in a daze and not talking to anyone..

The night did seem to flash by, but, I was having a good time, and I still know that I had a good time, which is, er.. good. Its not like I don't remember anything.. I remember all the more different things that happened, the girls I danced with, my friend that turned up and I chatted to for a bit, the random guy that my mate ended up getting a photo with, and the conversations in the kebab shop and so on..
 

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Yes, you can do it without the alcohol - or at least, with much less alcohol. I never used to be one for the dancefloor unless I got really wasted, and then I would always have a great time. I found after a while that I could drink less and still have a great time, until the point where a couple of weeks ago I only had one beer (I was gonna drive home) and still thoroughly enjoyed myself. so... it might not happen overnight but it will happen. ease yourself off it man, it's much cheaper too :)
 

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MrNiceGuy, okay, sounds like you don't really have a drinking problem then. So maybe it's more about pumping yourself up and getting into a good mood before you go out.

And I don't know if this would work for you or not, but maybe try swinging through a non-threatening venue such as a grocery store on your way to the club, and strike up convos with a couple of women there just to get warmed up. Might be a way to put yourself into "approaching-strangers-mode" before hitting the bars.
 

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yeah thats the main thing, just being in the right mood for the night out.. I've found sometimes I can be on top of the world and brimming with confidence without a drop inside me, depends what my day is like...

and yep, unless the club is playing music I'm really into I usually don't have a great time dancing unless I'm wasted, or.. in a really good mood..
 

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The thing with alcohol is that it will help you approach a woman if you don't have much confidence, but you won't be as good in the conversation with her.

Once you can approach any woman without alcohol then you will be on top of your game.
 

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how many of you guys are just grabbing and dancing with these ladies from behind? I think it shows more confidence if you walk up and dance with a girl infront of you, so she can see, and see how you dance, rather than some drunk ass grabbing her and grinding on her ass (no show of confidence), i mean he didn't even see these chicks faces, could have been total dogs, maybe even guys in drag! For sh1ts sake, think what the lady is thinking!
 

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Originally posted by b's nuts
how many of you guys are just grabbing and dancing with these ladies from behind? I think it shows more confidence if you walk up and dance with a girl infront of you, so she can see, and see how you dance, rather than some drunk ass grabbing her and grinding on her ass (no show of confidence), i mean he didn't even see these chicks faces, could have been total dogs, maybe even guys in drag! For sh1ts sake, think what the lady is thinking!
agreed, although I did see the first girl before I danced with her, not sure if there was eye contact.. plus I think she may have moved towards me.. she was certainly happy enough once we started dancing,

but yep.. eye contact and smiles will work alot better, I think alot of chicks prefer grinding though.. hence why alot of them back into you
 
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