America's future is deteriorating...

[ScrewIt]

Im probably a hypocrite for sayings this, but ill say it.

At college all i notice are everyday people. The majority of them dont even appear like they care, like theyre forced to be there unwillingly. They have no drive or intention to making the best of their education. Well in my major so far, dont know about any others but its probably all around the same.

I admit I dwelled for 2 1/2 years in a community college being the a lazy fvck, not caring cause the professors didnt care. This semester im starting fresh at a new college, and since this is my bachelors im here to finish...i think im starting to see a new light on the situation.

Anyway the way i see it, you're here for a purpose...the next step into your future career, take advantage of it and focus.

The problem is cause everyone' spoiled, no one ever knew what it felt like to not be able to get soemthing cuz of financial problems. Spoon fed from baby to adult by their parents, partying..drinking..smoking..drugs all that sh!t.

Even their tuition is being paid by parents or financial aid, so it doesnt matter to them.

Foreign exchange students i notice are pretty hard workers, they know what it is to not being spoon fed or pampered. thats why theyre here for school, and usually they work/pay for their own education so all is wasted if they dont take it seriously.

Everyone's so spoiled by their parents, theyre just leeching off their cash for all eternity. If this keeps up, i can iimagine america's goign to fall behind other countries in an economy/workforce race.

Just my 2cents, feel free to discuess..

 

[B-Lemond]

I agree and I think that we are already falling behind other countries such as China.

 

[sifer]

I can comment - in America, unlike 10 years before, it will take only people like you, STR8UP, and I to succeed.

It's the new generation and a new future where there will be a new age.

Information is about to go and the world isn't only going to have one superpower it used to have.

America has had its Rome time. Now everyone else that's a major sizer (that is, big nations) get to be superpower.

And eventually they'll reach the same stance we're at, and that is, students not wanting to work hard and only the select few wanting to make a difference.

Then... we're back at square two... and eventually square one which is either a war outbreak that wipes out a lot of people or a revolution or a historic change that change the way we view the world.

Something along those lines imo.

 

[ScrewIt]

Sifer, i know where you're getting at, i havent thought of it like that but i definitely agree.

Basically what you're saying is that America has had "it's time" or "renaissance"...the peak of it's civilization. I do agree in due time it will crumble as rome did. Every structure has a flaw and America's is its new generation.

In a race for success, once again it's back to the old story of "Tortoise and the Hare". It's obvious which one's the hare....

ON ANOTHER NOTE - not only the new generation. But OLD technology is going to hinder us. A lot of booming countries such as China are already adapting new car technologies which arent focused on oil, magnetized trains.....etc.

In the long run our inability to adapt new technologies quickly due to transition will cripple the economy easily. China can easily adapt because theyve risen recently in the past few decades to industrialization.

 

[oakraiderz2]

I too have a new out look on college eventhough im at a gay community college. I was watching something about stocks and that made me think. All this money theyre spending for me to go to school is what theyre investing in me. So i better do good to make them happy with the investment they chose and so i can have an audi a6 and a big ass house one day.

 

[diplomatic_lies]

So you reckon the potential revolution will be communist, fascist/white supremicist, or libertarian?


All I see is whining. If you really care, do something about it.

 

[Desdinova]

The problem is cause everyone' spoiled, no one ever knew what it felt like to not be able to get soemthing cuz of financial problems. Spoon fed from baby to adult by their parents, partying..drinking..smoking..drugs all that sh!t.

Even their tuition is being paid by parents or financial aid, so it doesnt matter to them.

I completely agree. I see young adults living on their own, but their parents are paying their rent and utilities. Any money these young adults get is spent on pleasure and junk they don't need. How can anyone call this living on their own?

I've read a bit about how GenX is made up of a lot of "failures" with 5hitty fast food jobs, and these are the ones being talked about. They don't give a damn about what they do in college because they didn't pay for it. I'll tell you, when you pay for it, it's a whole different ballgame. When you pay for it, you know you're money is gonna be wasted if you don't do the work.

But what I see down the line is these spoiled kids' parents will eventually die off, and they'll be left to fend for themselves. They may end up on social security, or possibly even homeless. The children of these bums will be forced to fend for themselves.

I have a friend who is a good example of this. He paid his own way through high school by working. His father was an alcoholic who didn't financially support him. He's now making good money because he busted his ass working to get where he wanted.

It's people like you and me who are going to make it somewhere in life because we worked for it. The kids who mooch off their parents won't have the means to pay for their kids' education because they've dried up their parents' bank accounts instead of establishing themselves.

My father, the a55hole that he is, did one thing right. He taught me the concept of working for what I wanted early in life. I will definately pass on the way he taught me to my kids.

 

[King of You]

dont be so gotdamn cynical.

 

[Glassjaw]

College

College for the most part is where the rich have sent their children to further their EDUCATION. Why? Because they can afford it. College is not, and never has been, about learning marketable skills. If you want to learn marketable skills go to a trade school.

Their is no guranatee that you will find a good job upon leaving college. Unfortunately most employers will not even look at your resume unless you have Bachelor's degree in something. But you have to compete with million of other individuals who are just as qualified and ambitious as you. The children of the wealthy don't have to worry about this because, traditionally they would go off to college to learn and get a job with Daddy's company after they graduated.

The thing that bothers me is that society has ingrained in us this idea that college is for everyone and unless you go to college you're somehow not achieving your full potential.

I wish parents would understand that college is basically just a place where they'll send there kids off to drink, smoke weed, and fornicate for four years and spend thousands of dollars to do it.

The education in most colleges is a joke. So use that time to gain some character and build a social network that can help you find a job.

 

[B-Lemond]

^ You say that most colleges are a joke. I'm a junior in HS and I need to start looking at some. Which would you recommend? Thanks

 

[Desdinova]

You've made some excellent points, Glassjaw

Their is no guranatee that you will find a good job upon leaving college. Unfortunately most employers will not even look at your resume unless you have Bachelor's degree in something.

It's come to a point where your experience or skills aren't an asset, it's the piece of paper you hold in your hand.

A college degree is not required to get a good job. A high school diploma is not required to attend college. I walked into my job and did it well. My workplace paid half of my college tuition to get my papers. The only condition was that if I failed the course, I had to pay them back.

I know someone who didn't graduate from high school, went into college, and got a degree. My high school stressed that in no circumstances will a college accept you if you don't have your HS diploma. It's the amitious ones that prove them wrong.

But you have to compete with million of other individuals who are just as qualified and ambitious as you.

Very true. However, if the person in question has no clue what they want to do, they'll enter college (paid by their parents) to get at least SOMETHING. Even if they get their degree, they need the ambition to search out a job. If they don't have that ambition to look (nor any interest in what they took), they're going right back to flipping burgers at McDonalds.

 

[ScrewIt]

You make some valid points glassjaw -

not everyone that goes to college, gets a degree ends up doing what they intended for the rest of their lives. But since it's an investment, it shouldnt be taken lightly.

All those liberal arts course requirements for majors are b.s. and most dont care for those because it's not major related. Those i will side with people if they could care less about education.

Even my friend who dropped comp sci, went full blow liberal arts....i dont even know why he goes, but most likely to fulfill the concept of having a college degree = normal. Yet he wants to start up a game company with a liberal arts degree..and even that doesnt make much sense.

Regardless of how ambitious you are in finding your dream job or working hard in classes...it's all dependent upon the individual. Especially if the person was in design (archit, interior, graphic, fashion...etc.) Every career field is competitive, and the design field is even more competitive if you dont work hard enough to make some top-notch stuff. Usually for design, Your portfolio and experience is more highly valued than a gpa or college per say.
But i do agree that the college name will get you in the door, but portfolio will keep you in.

I guess college education-wise, how hard you work or how much you slack off, it really depends on the career field. And sometimes a college degree isnt important at all as long as you have those connections around...

 

[backbreaker]

Originally posted by Desdinova
You've made some excellent points, Glassjaw



It's come to a point where your experience or skills aren't an asset, it's the piece of paper you hold in your hand.

A college degree is not required to get a good job. A high school diploma is not required to attend college. I walked into my job and did it well. My workplace paid half of my college tuition to get my papers. The only condition was that if I failed the course, I had to pay them back.

I know someone who didn't graduate from high school, went into college, and got a degree. My high school stressed that in no circumstances will a college accept you if you don't have your HS diploma. It's the amitious ones that prove them wrong.



Very true. However, if the person in question has no clue what they want to do, they'll enter college (paid by their parents) to get at least SOMETHING. Even if they get their degree, they need the ambition to search out a job. If they don't have that ambition to look (nor any interest in what they took), they're going right back to flipping burgers at McDonalds.

I tried to explain this to my friends a year ago but it fail upon deaf ears.

My two best friends, gragutated in May with a 3.6 and a 3.4 GPA, and neither has gotten a job yet.

I tried to explain to them that all you are diong is putting yourself in the "pool" of 20 or so million other people just like you. College doesn't seperate you from anyone else, it makes you apart of everyone else. I mean, college is not bad, but you can't think that if you go to college you will get out getting a job off the bat. That's what colleges want you to think so they can get that money from you.

 

[STR8UP]

The idea that America has seen its best days has crossed my minds several times.

When I travel I see people in other countries doing the things that made this country great in the first place. Then I get back home and it seems like everyone here is simply living off of the prosperity that was built by our parents and grandparents without putting anything back in.

The sense of entitlement many Americans have is sickening. They think that just because they were born they deserve to have everything handed to them and they don't feel like putting forth any effort to get it.

I doubt that America will ever become a third world slum, but I DO see there being a downturn happening sometime during my lifetime. Won't effect me much, but unfortunately my friends and family aren't set up to weather the storm.

Wake up America. If you don't start getting back to what put you on top, someone will be right there ready to knock you down.

 

[ShizamDaMan]

I figure all the people who don't give a crap about education will be serving my coffee through a Tim Horton's drivethrough window (if they're lucky) while I drive off to meet with my colleagues that went to college and learned.

I know lots of people who have dropped out of college. I don't feel sorry for them, but I hope they do learn something to get by. As long as they're happy, who cares? I'm going to become as rich/powerful/successful as I can be.

F*ck all the rich, spoiled kids spending their parent's money. I go to school on scholarships and my RA job, and I'm going to kick ass while I'm in college.

 

[tristan22]

I'm tired of all of the employment ads stating "women and minorities encouraged to apply."

Whatever happened to the best person for the job mentality?


Our country is based on quotas now, and not by merit! Everyone preaches equality, but until we do away with affirmative action and diversity quotas; equality will never happen!

The bottom line is, if you work hard ethnicity or gender doesn't matter; because those who work hard succeed.

 

[The Antichrist_Star]

Originally posted by tristan22
I'm tired of all of the employment ads stating "women and minorities encouraged to apply."

Whatever happened to the best person for the job mentality?


Our country is based on quotas now, and not by merit! Everyone preaches equality, but until we do away with affirmative action and diversity quotas; equality will never happen!

The bottom line is, if you work hard ethnicity or gender doesn't matter; because those who work hard succeed.

There's no reason to take it there... let's not bring this up again.

Stick to the script, or else I'll be forced to close this thread too.

AS

 

[tristan22]

What do you mean, the topic is "America's future is deteriorating?"

This is my opinion as to why America is deteriorating.

 

[ScrewIt]

Originally posted by backbreaker
I tried to explain this to my friends a year ago but it fail upon deaf ears.

My two best friends, gragutated in May with a 3.6 and a 3.4 GPA, and neither has gotten a job yet.

I tried to explain to them that all you are diong is putting yourself in the "pool" of 20 or so million other people just like you. College doesn't seperate you from anyone else, it makes you apart of everyone else. I mean, college is not bad, but you can't think that if you go to college you will get out getting a job off the bat. That's what colleges want you to think so they can get that money from you.

Yeh of course we all know GPA isnt everything. Unfortunately there are those that believe that a high GPA means the world for them...the deans list.

I mean a high GPA is always a good thing of course, you should have other things going for you other than being an A student. Like friends, connections, sociable skills, ambition...entrepenuership even perhaps.

I mean there are those that "understand" the real world, that not everything is based on grades. And there are those that "understand" the educational system, and know nothing about the real world. The thing is a lot of colleges dont offer real world experience for undergrads, other than internships that are found for them.

But it also goes hand in hand that personal growth that comes with college where you grow more independent, and during that time should you realize your responsibilities.

And most likely even upon graduation the person still doesnt grasp how to work the evironment around them to their success.
In the end its up to you really on where and how you push yourself.

As my mom always says "your mouth is the most important thing in this world", finding a job, connections..etc.

Let the spoiled kids have their fun, cause it wont last forever.

 

[The Antichrist_Star]

Originally posted by tristan22
What do you mean, the topic is "America's future is deteriorating?"

This is my opinion as to why America is deteriorating.

Because corporations are reaching out to miniorities? That's all you got eh?

So, going by your reasoning the future of the entire country is deteriorating because:

"I'm tired of all of the employment ads stating "women and minorities encouraged to apply."

Whatever happened to the best person for the job mentality?


Our country is based on quotas now, and not by merit! Everyone preaches equality, but until we do away with affirmative action and diversity quotas; equality will never happen!

The bottom line is, if you work hard ethnicity or gender doesn't matter; because those who work hard succeed."

Although I think that this country will be just fine in the long run, I think that something like quotas and affirmative action (two things, though in spite of being black I do not necessarily agree with) are mere cogs in a much bigger problem.

Again... there's absolutely no need to bring that up.

AS