America is two-time back to back world war CHAMPS

[White Boy]

I think some of you are forgetting that, with these Syria threads

 

[the_stig]

We are?

Simply put, America didn't enter WWI until 1917.

By time time we landed in '44 the German Army had been beaten down for five long years by the British and Russians with many of their top generals, veteran soliders and ace pilots already lost. With the help of the Canadians we beat the 2nd and 12th SS Panzer Divisons fair and square at Normandy but suffered heavy losses there and the ensuing battles.

Without a doubt we played major roles, but to take all the credit would be naive and an insult to the tens of thousands of our allies who fought and died for the freedom we take for granted today.

 

[Who Dares Win]

The same day America will taste his own medicine on his own ground and civilians you probably would stop bragging about how cool you are to join wars and kick around the injured.

I really cant believe that a country founded in the most promising way from great men as Washington became the bully state that is now.

As if America joined WWII to bring democracy instead of getting back post WWI rebuilt contracts money for their bankers.
The bankers were so eager to join the war that they didnt have any problem to cut japanese supply routes thus forcing them to attack, 0 fvcks given about american civilians deaths.

Its the same sh1t of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction which existed nowhere but in american intelligence reports, just needed a reason to bully someone weak enough to be unable to protect himself.

Not saying nazis were a bless (hope they spend their last days in jail) but there was no "good guy" in america's wars.

 

[MaddXMan]

We are?

Simply put, America didn't enter WWI until 1917.

By time time we landed in '44 the German Army had been beaten down for five long years by the British and Russians with many of their top generals, veteran soliders and ace pilots already lost. With the help of the Canadians we beat the 2nd and 12th SS Panzer Divisons fair and square at Normandy but suffered heavy losses there and the ensuing battles.

Without a doubt we played major roles, but to take all the credit would be naive and an insult to the tens of thousands of our allies who fought and died for the freedom we take for granted today.

Yes, in the first year of Operation Barbarossa, during the first great encirclement battle of Kiev, the Russians lost 600,000+ troops........in one battle.

But they recovered from that and other losses, pushed the Nazi's back from Moscow, stopped the German spring offensive (350,000+ Germans lost at Stalingrad) and had the Germans reeling by the time the allies invaded France.

It is estimated the Russians had over a million causalities during the Rhzev offensives.

The numbers from the east blow my mind, that Russia could have taken those kind of losses but still won, and won big. It is because they learned how to fight. Lend lease helped a little, in keeping up mobility, speeding the end of the war....but Russia did the lion's share of the fighting. And that makes sense, since they had the most to lose, they were invaded by Germany.

 

[backseatjuan]

Every country has its own history, including America. You have to look at facts of history.


USSR won WW2. USA and Britain had played its roles, but little when it comes to European theater. USSR had the manufacturing capabilities, and reserve capabilities, to stop Hitler in his tracks. Battle of Kursk was the decisive battle of WW2, after which German forces were pushed back to Berlin. It was Soviet red flag that was raised over Berlin.


Today, Russia has early warning missile system, which, read this carefully, can respond automatically. That means, if America fires ICM missiles, Russia will know about the attack 25 minutes prior, and an response attack will be launched. Each Topol M ICB rocket has several warheads, and several dummies, which, read this carefully, change position while they fly down, maneuver, and evade. No missile defense system won't stop all the warheads.


If it comes to WW3, the Earth crust will be split in half, spewing lava and gases, killing everything alive on this planet. If something survives, it will have hard time finding food, and will eventually, and after cannibalism, die off.


Make no mistake, WW3 means the next war will be fought with sticks and stones.


It doesn't matter which side you choose though. You could be an American fag, feminized sissy boy, that thinks Alex Jones is wrong, and Obama is Jesus Christ, or you could be Russian. It doesn't matter. In a nuclear war your life span shortens down to less than an hour. If you lucky you die quick.

 

[Who Dares Win]

You guys can accuse the U.S. of being a bully for wanting to remove bloodthirsty tyrants who gas their own people all you want, but for all of America's evils if it weren't for that country every single person on this thread would be starving to death in either a German concentration camp or a Siberian gulag.

Instead, you guys sit behind your keyboards safe and sound, and enjoy the freedom of being able to criticize the very country that sent its sons to fight and die just so you can enjoy the privilege of talking sh*t about it.

True it sent its sons to war, nobody denies it and nobody is bashing the american people itself.

The problem I do have and many others have is with americans elitè which find perfectly doable to screw up or sabotage other countries if such countries dare to live free from what they are told.

The joke of freedom house, the supposed agency which establish which countries are "free" and which are oppressed, strangely free countries are those in good relationships with the Us while the "oppressed ones" are the ones which stay by themselves...what a coincidence eh?

And Im sure now in Libia people live much safer underer muslim extremists than under the previous ruler right?

Afghanistan is a paradise and surely Siria will be well administered in peace and freedom after Assad will leave a empty ruling place which will be filled from muslim extremists.

Bombing Japan was a necessary thing since it was taking too much time to win them, who cares if their sons grew up with two arms right?

South america is close to america therefore its right to sabotage hostile (aka not sold) governments if they stand as a threat (aka not a servant).

I mean legally talking the us gov can kill his own citizens without a trial, can spy on them with drones while at the same time spying his own European allied.

For you all this is ok right?

Ah yeah but Hitler was a bad guy so he had to be taken down (it wasnt for his intention of not paying back bankers which gave money to rebuilt Europe after WWI as much as Iraq wasnt for oil/position but to remove the weapons of mass destruction which still have to be found).

As a european Im sick to my stomach to be dragged in wars that have no reason to be fought just because some fat fvck is fine in being ruled from bankers and lobbyists, all this politically correct bvlls1t in my house and no respect for others outside....bend over to foreigners at home but acknowledge no one abroad if theres something to be taken from them.

And regarding to your main point "you are free to say what you want"...no man Im not free to say what I want after all the rubbish that you guys pushed around anything I say against immigration, women or gay will cost me my job,reputation and freedom, Im not even free to have a relationship with a woman or own property without the government tell me what to do before,during and after.....thank you my ass

 

[speed dawg]

No country is perfect, and I agree the U.S. has its share of problems.

No it's not a coincidence, I think there is a very good reason why U.S. allies are considered free, but I think my reasons for why are very different from yours. The American ideals of democracy and electing officials chosen by majority vote may not be a perfect system of government, but it is the preferable form of government by the majority of the world, and for good reason might I add.

Actually Who Dares, the current president of Libya is Ali Zeidan, a former human rights lawyer from Geneva who has been described by the media as a "strong minded liberal." He's as far from the idea of an extremist muslim terrorist as you can possibly get.

No country was ever given its freedom on a silver platter. Like every other nation on earth, Afghanistan and Syria will have to fight for its freedom, and yes some innocent people will die. But such is the high price of freedom.

The Japanese slaughtered 25 million Chinese in their attempt to forcibly conquer East Asia. They led an aggressive military campaign and attacked the United States first. The Japanese people supported its military with blind fanaticism, and they didn't even try to topple their warmongering military leadership. Hopefully that was the world's last fullscale total war, but those deaths were necessary in order to stop even more millions from being needlessly killed.

The U.S. should be able to do whatever it thinks is necessary in order to protect its interests and the interests of its citizens.

No, I don't think it's ok for a government to kill its own citizens without a trial, can you give me widespread examples of the U.S. doing this? And I don't mean isolated cases where mistakes were admittedly made. And yes, spying on its citizens may sometimes be necessary in the interest of national security. Do you think it's abhorrent for courts to allow the police to tap the phones of those suspected of murdering people and trafficking heroin? And spying on both enemies and allies is not an American invention, it's been done for centuries by every nation. Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. Any country that does not spy on both its friends and its opponents is exhibiting incredibly naive behavior.

Yes, Hitler was a bad guy. At least in the opinions of the Americans (as well as most of the other countries of the world). The bankers would not have ruined Germany if Germany had not gotten all arrogant under Willem II and Adolf and started thinking they could take on the entire world and still win. They ended up getting what they asked for and deserved.

The "American" notions of freedom and equality that you are referencing are actually creations of Britain and France - perhaps you should be more angry at them than the U.S. Your anger is misplaced. The U.S. did not force its ideas on Germany; the German people elected German politicians who made these laws for them. The U.S. did not make these laws, instead you should blame the German legislators who were elected by German citizens.

Acceptance of homosexuality is not just a U.S. problem, but a global one.

Great post bradd80. Pretty good ownage here, Who Dares Win and backseatjuan need to step away from the keyboard and dust their asses off. If there's one area where you shouldn't f*ck with a lawyer, it is history. My roommate in college was a pre-law and damn near all his classes were history it seemed.

It's comical to see the hatred/jealousy/contempt for the United States throughout the world. We're all just people here. And for the most part, the U.S. has been a 'good' country. Obviously it's not perfect.

 

[Who Dares Win]

DISCLAIMER both for Brad(which I believe altough in disagreement got my point) and Speed dawg(which probably treats politics as a football match and probably has a flag on his sofa), I dont hate americans as much as I dont think Backseat juad does, the problem I have is with those who run your country and how their actions affect my life and the ones of other innocents.

I have nothing against BillyBob from Indiana as much as I dont have anything against Burt from Texas or others like them, I have problems with the rich bankers which run your country and not only are making your life worse than your fathers ones but while chasing their desire for power are doing the same to mine and other innocents around the world.

That cancer know as political correctness is a peculiarity which exists only in that side of the world which was under american culture influence, which as you know means Us and western Europe (following the division which happened post WWII).

Again the use of economical hidden warfare to influence sovereign states is something I dont particularly like as much as political blackmail in order to push decisions on other sovereign nations when the population of such nations already made clear what they expect.

Again Im not talking about the average american which I can only blame for being ignorant or lazy to care about politics but surely not for being worse than me or others.
Sure I could be wrong but just a question, if the US are at the top of the list when it comes of hated nations in this world there must be a reason or it just happens out of "envy" ?

Regarding that thing about the gov being able to kill his own citizens without a trial, there is thread in this section with all the explanations from guys from the Us, its not my discovery.

Nobody here cares about the fact that a war has been started because of weapons of mass destruction only to find out that after destroying and destabilize that country none of that was found?
Can you imagine the police rushing in your house, killing your dogs and beating your family while looking for drug the after not finding any just leave without even say sorry? Is that really fine for you?

I mean if a guy doesnt like you it could be his problem but if the whole town does, theres must be something bigger behind.

Its not a d1ck measuring contest about whos more cool behind his flag, its a matter of whats fair and whats not.

One last thing, Russia made pretty clear that they aint taking it anymore with all the conseguences for us all...westerns and easterns.

 

[Jaylan]

Oh goodie. World War champs.

Do we get a shiny gold wrestling belt to put around our waist? Why are you guys even toasting in this roll bread?

 

[speed dawg]

DISCLAIMER both for Brad(which I believe altough in disagreement got my point) and Speed dawg(which probably treats politics as a football match and probably has a flag on his sofa), I dont hate americans as much as I dont think Backseat juad does, the problem I have is with those who run your country and how their actions affect my life and the ones of other innocents.

I have nothing against BillyBob from Indiana as much as I dont have anything against Burt from Texas or others like them, I have problems with the rich bankers which run your country and not only are making your life worse than your fathers ones but while chasing their desire for power are doing the same to mine and other innocents around the world.

That cancer know as political correctness is a peculiarity which exists only in that side of the world which was under american culture influence, which as you know means Us and western Europe (following the division which happened post WWII).

Again the use of economical hidden warfare to influence sovereign states is something I dont particularly like as much as political blackmail in order to push decisions on other sovereign nations when the population of such nations already made clear what they expect.

Again Im not talking about the average american which I can only blame for being ignorant or lazy to care about politics but surely not for being worse than me or others.
Sure I could be wrong but just a question, if the US are at the top of the list when it comes of hated nations in this world there must be a reason or it just happens out of "envy" ?

Regarding that thing about the gov being able to kill his own citizens without a trial, there is thread in this section with all the explanations from guys from the Us, its not my discovery.

Nobody here cares about the fact that a war has been started because of weapons of mass destruction only to find out that after destroying and destabilize that country none of that was found?
Can you imagine the police rushing in your house, killing your dogs and beating your family while looking for drug the after not finding any just leave without even say sorry? Is that really fine for you?

I mean if a guy doesnt like you it could be his problem but if the whole town does, theres must be something bigger behind.

Its not a d1ck measuring contest about whos more cool behind his flag, its a matter of whats fair and whats not.

One last thing, Russia made pretty clear that they aint taking it anymore with all the conseguences for us all...westerns and easterns.

Who Dares Win, my personal opinion....is IN GENERAL, all your petty insults aside, the U.S. has tried to do what they felt was right and just, #1 for its citizens. Are there bad apples? Sure, there always are. But for the most part part, we've tried to play peace maker throughout the world and tried to help people and in some cases, it was viewed as 'none of our business'. Vietnam, Somalia, Syria, etc. And those events stirred up as much controversy in the states as they did the rest of the world. #2, yes, some wars like Iraq were about oil and money. But it was mostly about stabilizing that area and not putting money in the hands of people like Bin Laden, who's entire existence centers around killing people. This is as simple as I can make it.

Corporate greed/bullying/etc. and all that? Man, that is NOT just an American issue. People are slaughtered all over the world every day in the name of money.

 

[speed dawg]

Oh goodie. World War champs.

Do we get a shiny gold wrestling belt to put around our waist? Why are you guys even toasting in this roll bread?

Not surprised that you jumped in an America-hating thread on the anti-American side. I truly think that leftist faggots like you don't really have an established mission statement that you're passionate about. That at least could be respected. You just like to challenge the established order in the most passive aggressive way possible. And funny enough, the U.S. is probably one of the few countries on the planet that would NOT persecute effeminate homo-loving traitors like yourself. And this is how it is repaid?

No good deed goes unpunished, eh?

 

[Fatal Jay]

Lol@defending America, when all the young guys in the army are fighting for the bankers and rich guys investment and resources.

 

[Jaylan]

Not surprised that you jumped in an America-hating thread on the anti-American side. I truly think that leftist faggots like you don't really have an established mission statement that you're passionate about. That at least could be respected. You just like to challenge the established order in the most passive aggressive way possible. And funny enough, the U.S. is probably one of the few countries on the planet that would NOT persecute effeminate homo-loving traitors like yourself. And this is how it is repaid?

No good deed goes unpunished, eh?

Lmao @ how you got anti-American out of me making a wrestling joke at the obvious trolling OP? My joke said NOTHING about my feelings regarding this whole topic of war.

Jeezus christ dude. Are you just trying to fvking argue any way you can? Youre being a fvking toolbag dude. I could go into great detail about how I feel about the whole Syria thing and any impending global conflict, but I dont have time to make you look like more of a presumptuous troll than you already are.

In other words, plenty of people in the center, and on the left, support our country enough that we dont want to risk American lives by getting involved in another nations civil war. The polls make it clear that most American, REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL AFFILIATION, do NOT support a strike on Syria. I mean its so traitorous to value American lives and want to stay out of another nations business right?

There ya go numbnuts. Get the fvk over yourself.

 

[speed dawg]

Lol@defending America, when all the young guys in the army are fighting for the bankers and rich guys investment and resources.

......and they are getting paid well to do it.

There is no military draft right now.

Next anti-American post.....

 

[Who Dares Win]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVsB07CcSNw

Im sure this guy is a liear like Assange and Snowden.

 

[Who Dares Win]

......and they are getting paid well to do it.

There is no military draft right now.

Next anti-American post.....

So nothing wrong in guys like black water right? I mean after all the bankers are paying well them, its no draft, being a mercenary is cool...

And Im sure those in the Us military which oppose to strikes in Syria are just lazy, they are not doing it cause they joined to protect their country instead of being used as mercenaries for money wars.

There is nothing anti-american here, its not the iron sheik vs hulk hogan waving iran flag as much as there are no cobras challengind gi joes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVsB07CcSNw

 

[speed dawg]

America= Bankers now? What happened to the free market?

I meant that the military is getting paid well. Very good perks and benefits to be in the military in this day and age.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Yes, paid to serve the bankers with our money

Something like:

Tax payers money--->government---->military industry and rebuilding industries

Bankers loan money to---->government---->military industries and involved warfare industries, citizens pay back to the involved industries plus interests to bankers.

Once is done:

Bankers and industries get contracts in "liberated country" to get oil or whatever goods it exists then sell it back to citizens at much higher price, government tax further such goods before them being sold to citizens.


Local population live the "liberated country" after crying their own deads and dealing with a "new society", a horde of desperates is ready to be enlisted in terrorists groups and strike back govern?...banke?....CITIZENS!

The solution its simple, just join the army and you will be paid well to be active part of it, right?

 

[MaddXMan]

I meant that the military is getting paid well. Very good perks and benefits to be in the military in this day and age.

Yes I am jealous of my military friends who get to be retired by age 45, have medical etc. But I think the $ is dependent on rank.

 

[speed dawg]

Yes I am jealous of my military friends who get to be retired by age 45, have medical etc. But I think the $ is dependent on rank.

Just like everything else in life.