Am I in the friendzone?

Stringer_Bell213

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Ok so there's this girl I've been talking to for a couple months now, I guess since the end of August to now and she's always texting me, almost every morning, and I try to be flirty with her anytime I talk to her but I haven't made a move yet either but I feel lik eI haven't had the right opportunity for it.

Anyways we've hung out a few times at first we did activities like playing pool, going for walks and going to the movies once. But lately it's been more coffee then anything else.

Anyways, I just recently asked her out for drinks and she was like yes and that she wants to go for drinks with me, and then I asked her if this was a date or just as friends and this is what she said:

"I like u :) but I just want it to be just friends for now.. But we'll see :) ........"

So what do you guys think that means? We are suppose to go out next week and I'm gonna try to make a move but Idk if I'm in the friendzone or not. A very confusing message.


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What? What makes u think that? She's told me she is single and not seeing anyone, but who knows.
 

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Shes stringing you along .... notice the "well see" but you missed the first part "just friends " . You are either a friend or a lover to a woman im sorry there is no middle ground tshere. A couple months and no sex .... dude you know the answer here. If you havent had sex with her or any physical contact (kissing, touching, etc) with her IN MONTHS, then you are in the friendzone.

I know youll then ask, "well JohnChops how do i get out of the friendzone, i like this girl , shes the beezneeze, shes the best!". First of all you never get out of the friend zone. Its much more work than it really is worth. So dont even bother. Next your going to ignore that previous statement because you think you really liker her. I ought to slap you !

You never get out of the friendzone

Re read it. .... Did you fvcking re-read it?! Good. Just making sure :)

She told you she was single, but she also told you shes a virgin saint too huh? Women and men both lie, we have all told lies. I guarantee she has another guy that shes looking to get with or is already getting with. You are her back up, she wants to keep the thought that you both will end up together alive so she can have you as a back up. As a man you should be disgusted by this. I know i am just typing it!

So shortened version, yes you are friendzoned. Solution: move on and find another fish in the sea.

However, the only surefire way to tell if you are friendzoned is to make a move.
 

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I think she's definitely interested but you just haven't done enough to elevate yourself to "A" guy status.
You MUST make a move when you go out for drinks. Play some drinking games, do shots, kino the shyt out of her and flirt outrageously.
The key is not to appear desperate. Just go out with the view that you're going to have a good night out regardless.
Don't smother her, just be cool and confident, c0cky and funny, make her laugh. Resist the urge to splurge money on her but definitely go round for round of drinks.
Show her that you are the man she should be dying to be with.
If she rebuffs your advances, withdraw your attention for a while and see if she comes to you.
That means, delay your replies to her texts and focus on yourself and other women.
Also, I don't agree with asking a girl if the date is just as friends. I subscribe to the view espoused regularly on these boards that you should assume it's a romantic date and escalate until you fvck or until she says "no, LJBF".
Good luck.
 

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Alright so basically what I'm getting here is there's a good chance I'm in the friendzone but the only way to find out is basically if I make a move?

That's what I've been thinking because the text was in regards to what going out for drinks meant, as in it being a date or just as friends.

And what I got from it was that maybe as friends but we'll see how the night goes lol, but that might be me, grasping at straws.

I'm sort of tempted to just straight up asking her beforehand, if she's only interested in being friends or something more? In which case I would save money and time lol, but that's prolly a bad idea.

Ps. Thanks for the input so far.
 

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I think you missed your window by not making a move but still hanging out with her and texting her so now you are in the friend zone. She likes the attention and having someone to occupy her time but she doens't see you like you want her to so it is time to go. I'd find a reason to back out of the nondate and then back it off and fade away. If you have any chance at all it will becuase she started pursuing you after you move on.
 

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Damn, son... You kind of FZ'd yourself. Thats what you should be looking at, and working to improve. You're acting too passive-agressive, insecure, asking for permission, letting her call the shots, waiting for an "opportunity" to escalate, talking too much, waiting WAY too long... No no no! Gotta man up. Be assertive, take the lead, act sexual, show interest, be a challenge, TELL not ASK, etc. All of this should be done RIGHT AWAY.

Of course, if you do this now, she'll wonder where her "best friend" is, and try to keep things as they are. Likewise if you date others, or move on. Prepare to be stuck in limbo IF you let her call the shots, and not do whats best for you.

But youre definitely acting TOO friendly, and she's not crazy or passionate about you. Bad times. I'd just disappear from the map, but I'm kind of a ****face. lolz.
 

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In one word....YES....you're in the friendzone.


To be honest,when I saw the VERY FIRST SENTENCE,I said "yes" without reading the rest,but I decided to read the rest of it anyway.

A couple of things you said stand out,like this....



Stringer_Bell213 said:
I try to be flirty with her anytime I talk to her but I haven't made a move yet either but I feel lik eI haven't had the right opportunity for it.
You said you've been talking to this girl since the end of August. It's currently the end of December. That's 4 months.

You're saying that in 4 MONTHS....in A THIRD of a YEAR,you couldn't find the "right opportunity" to make a move? In four months? Come on now man.

Anyways we've hung out a few times at first we did activities like playing pool, going for walks

Playing pool and going on walks. Dude,those were your opportunities right there. I'm sure it was just the two of you when you went on walks,and far as playing pool,heh...well that's a sexual innuendo GOLD MINE.



Anyways, I just recently asked her out for drinks and she was like yes and that she wants to go for drinks with me, and then I asked her if this was a date or just as friends and this is what she said:
You shouldn't have asked her if it was a date or just as friends. Instead,you should have just ASKED HER OUT on a date..

"I like u :) but I just want it to be just friends for now.. But we'll see :) ........"
That's friendzone dude. The "We'll see" comment was to give you FALSE hope. If she flat out said no,you might get angry and just leave. By saying "We'll see",it makes you hang around hoping that something might happen.

So what do you guys think that means? We are suppose to go out next week and I'm gonna try to make a move but Idk if I'm in the friendzone or not. A very confusing message.

Well be careful when you do this "try and make a move" thing. she ALREADY told you she wanted friendship,but if you pull something after she told you that,she may become upset,and she'll have A RIGHT to be upset cause you two discussed this and she clearly told you what the deal was.


Hey...you shouldn't have asked her if the hangout was a date or not. You did,she said friendship,then you accepted it. So in her mind,you two have a clear understanding of where things stand.


You can still make a move,just don't be shocked if she gets upset.
 

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Yeah I know I had so many chances but it seems like it wasn't an opportunity you know, or maybe I was looking for the perfect one haha. But yeah a part of me thinks I definitely put myself into this position. Like there was a point her friend was interested in hooking up with me but she didn't want it to happen and made her friend sound bad in the process, so that maybe I wouldn't be interested lol

So basically most of you think I'm in the friendzone from what she said but I did tell her, her message confused me and I didn't know what she meant to which she just laughed it off or something. but I think if I make a move anyways, i'll find out no?

I mean it would suck if we stopped talking but I'd get over it, so it's not a huge deal to me, I'd prolly prefer it then just being friends lol. Like I do agree with most of you guys that I prolly am, but I'd like a definite answer in some form so that I can move on.

So should I just make a move when I go drinking then?

Or maybe just lay down the law and be like I only interested in going out for drinks if it's a date otherwise not interested. Just so my intention are clear on what this is lol.

I know I suck with woman, too much of a passive guy lol. I realize I def need to man up lol.

Thanks so far.
 

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if you have to ask or ponder it then it usually means yes, otherwise you would be busy tearing her up on a friday night instead of posting here wondering
 

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Bro you are done for. She wants to see how far she can milk this cow with free drinks and nice company.

Even if you are as smooth as 007 now she may not give in with that friendzone statement.

You have to want sex with her to see how good she is, not ask her permission to make a move
 

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Stick a fork in it, broski, you have been airdropped into the Friend Zone where the fence is high and electrocharged!
You waited too long, basically. She stated she wants to be friends, and that should of been your cue. You can go out with her a thousand more times and it'll be like going out with your buddies. Forget the moves, it's gonna make you look bad, and yes, it'll be like grasping at straws at this point.

Keep her around for quick get togethers when you're bored and to expand your social circle, meet other girls, but romantically speaking, she's not interested (she herself didn't make any advances either). If they are interested, they don't confuse you.

Sucks, but you gotta be this way, it's actual manning up.

Good luck.
 

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JohnChops said:
You never get out of the friendzone
this is not true...

you have to pray to tim tebows god and make it to the super bowl and then win it.. with the jets.

so you have slim to no chance sir.

the friendzone is something you can't explain to people. you just have to go threw it.

don't expect it to happen man. i am one of the lucky ones who got to fook his onetits girl. it was great at first, until she found someone better and my jealousy and rage made me move country just to get away from her. after blatantly calling her a sloot. things didn't end well.

so. my question to you is? do you really want her..? or do you want her because there are no other girls around?

my best advice i can give you is. " GET MORE GIRLS!" what i mean by this is. go out more. start hitting up sets. at first your going to get 4's then after awhile you will be able to get 6's once you get those you move to the 8's then then 10's then once you an get a few of those you go after that girl you want.

by that stage you will look back at the girl you wanted now a laugh that you ever wanted her in the first place.

you also need to work on yourself outside the game. hit the gym, get sick hobbies, ( I collect vinyl records) in other words. get you **** together.

people can tell you, you got no chance in hell. but i'm the exception to the rule! it can be done.
 

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Ugh, so much stuff was done wrong here... where to begin...

1. She's been texting you since August? Okay... so, this is the part where I say "texting KILLS relationships." Only, in this case, it's not because you were sending her too many text, but because you weren't responding to them by asking her out. I don't advocate guys initiating conversations via text because, more often than not, they end up saying the wrong thing and making her lose interest. However, if SHE is the one constantly hitting you up, day after day, for FOUR months, it means she's interested, and giving you a chance to ask her out. The fact that you didn't means you were wasting these texting opportunities chatting away about dumb stuff when you SHOULD have been asking her out, which is what her texting you was designed to help you do.

What you SHOULD have done when she hit you up is the following:

HER: Good morning :)
YOU: (20 minutes later - never answer back right away) Yep, so far so good. Hey, I'm planning on seeing a movie tonight around 6 or 8:30, care 2 join me?
HER: (some kind of response, leaning towards either a "yes" or "no")


And that's it!

2. You put her on the spot BEFORE you even went on the date. You asked her out for drinks, and she said "yes." That's all you needed to do. Just the fact that she agreed to it meant there was a chance she was thinking to herself: "Hmm, he's asking me out? Okay, I'll bite - let's see if he's got what I'm looking for in a potential boyfriend..."

But then, you asked her to clarify what kind of date it was - "romantic date or friendship date" - which, in her mind, forced her to now have to make a decision about you that normally takes at least 10 DATES to figure out. Yes, a girl may decide after date one that she likes you and wants you to be her BF, but she still needs a few dates in so she can make sure you are the guy you're proclaiming to be.

The GIRL is supposed to be the one that eventually asks a guy, "So, what are we?" In my experience, this can take anywhere from a month to three months - regardless, though, it's a decision made AFTER going out on a few dates. YOU just asked her to make this decision before date one - and, since she doesn't know how you are romantically or have an idea of what kind of relationship she wants with you yet, she had no choice but to make the "friendship" statement, which YOU forced her to make.

3. Your problem is not that you're too passive; it's that you're not indifferent to the outcome. You're so focused on having to make this thing work with this girl that you're trying to get answers out of her and/or throw down ultimatums about her telling you what you two are. Were you actually MORE passive, knowing these things for right now wouldn't bother you because you'd know that if she didn't like you, you could easily find someone else.

Amazingly, there may actually be a chance that she likes you - but not the most recent version of you that's trying to make her make a decision about you two despite this being the first time you've asked her on a "date." So, don't go in there wanting to know what you and her are before you spend a few bucks - it's the dating game, so every date is a gamble that may or may not pay off.

Here's what you do:

1. Go on the date and don't mention anything about it being a "date." Just have fun.

2. While you're having this fun, though, be on the look out for signals from her that she's interested in you more than just a friend. These include things like brushing up against you, touching your arm/shoulder/hand while telling a story, giving you compliments about anything involving your looks or the type of person you are, trying to hold your hand while walking around, playfully teasing you... basically, anything that seems flirty.

3. Speaking of #2, make sure SHE'S the one to initiate kino first - it's the best way for you to see if there's an interest there. Once she touches you, touch her every so often as well, progressing to longer, more intimate touches as the night goes on (i.e. from touching her arm, to feeling her hair, to holding your arm around her). And when you go for these touches, do NOT act nervous or ask permission.

4. If all this touching and flirting goes well, at some point during the date go in for the kiss. The best way to do this is probably at the end of the night - go in for the hug, hug her, then look right at her for a brief second and lean in for the kiss. Depending on her interest she'll do one of three things: kiss you back, which means she's feeling you on some level; turn her face and give you the cheek, which means she doesn't see you that way; or ask you what the heck you're doing, which means the thought of kissing you disgust her - definitely not interested.

Regardless of how she reacts to the kiss, though, don't go overboard with YOUR reaction. If she kisses you back, just say "have a good night, I'll talk to you soon" and walk off - no jumping jacks or saying things like "does this mean we're in a relationship now?!?" If she gives you the cheek, kiss it then say, "well, I'll see ya later," then walk off - no crying or saying things like "why don't you want to kiss me?!?" And if she asks you what the heck you're doing, just say jokingly, "my bad, I thought you needed mouth to mouth resuscitation!" Then laugh it off, say "anyway, I'll talk to ya later" then walk off.

In any case, don't let HER reaction determine how you feel about going for the kiss - if you don't go for it, you'll be stuck in uncertainty land forever, and NO man likes to end up there. You've been talking with this chick for 4 months - better to find out now if she'll back away from your kiss than wonder for 4 more months and waste your time. Hope this helps!
 

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Stringer_Bell213 said:
then I asked her if this was a date or just as friends
Never, ever, never ask this. First off, it makes you sound insecure. Secondly, you're handing the leader position over to her. The man should lead.

I think the other posters are being too negative. I don't think her answer to you was so terrible. She could be leading you on with the "we'll see", but at least she left the door open. I think a lot of girls would like to start out as friends first, if they had their preference.

Anyway, yes you can escape the friendzone, especially if you aren't locked in too tightly. Like the others say, you have to make a move, you have to lead the interaction. Show her (not tell her) that you are interested in her sexually, and not on a friends only basis. If you get rebuffed, don't get upset, just smile and try again another time. It will get her thinking, and she will probably get tempted.

At some point if you get rebuffed repeatedly, you should give it up and realize then and only then you're stuck in the friendzone. Only you can say for sure when that point is. But my gut tells me that if you go about it right, you will get out. The biggest danger is that you have already acted too weak and unmanly so that it turns her off. A man shows his strength through boldness, action, and taking the lead.
 

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Update

Hey guys thanks for all the advice, much appreciated!! Update in bold section.

So a couple of things, umm there are other girls I talk to but only one other I'm somewhat interested in, but haven't talked to her much lately lol. Also I do keep pretty busy hanging out with my buddies, playing videogames, sports occasionally and working out, going out with my buddies and partying big time, which she knows I do, and I try to hit on chicks at clubs but I lose motivation sometimes when I'm already talking to someone a lot like this chick (I know bad).

Anyways, so I have an update:

I figured since pretty much everyone here thought I was in the friend zone, including my real life buddy as well lol, thought I'd might as well go kamikaze and be like **** it, instead of wasting my time and money on someone that isn't interested which the date would have cost me both :p lol and since a lot of guys here were against me making a move during the meet up (although some weren't).

So essentially I decided to be blunt and texted her saying that I wasn't clear about things previously and that I'm only interested in meeting up with her if it was a date and not as friends and if she was down with that lol. To which she replied, she was and when we meet up next week it will be a date, I know I still gotta make a move and see how things go, but at least I know I have a chance I guess.

I can update this if anyone is interested on how it goes next week, if not I guess this topic is done.

Thanks a lot for the advice from everyone!!

Cheers!!
 

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Stringer_Bell213 said:
I figured since pretty much everyone here thought I was in the friend zone, including my real life buddy as well lol, thought I'd might as well go kamikaze and be like **** it, instead of wasting my time and money on someone that isn't interested which the date would have cost me both :p lol and since a lot of guys here were against me making a move during the meet up (although some weren't).

So essentially I decided to be blunt and texted her saying that I wasn't clear about things previously and that I'm only interested in meeting up with her if it was a date and not as friends and if she was down with that lol. To which she replied, she was and when we meet up next week it will be a date, I know I still gotta make a move and see how things go, but at least I know I have a chance I guess.


So you decided to do a "Hail Mary" and just go for it,huh? Good deal dude. :up:

Whether it works or not,who cares,but the MAIN THING you need to learn for future interactions with girls is this.......


You need to have this "Hail Mary" attitude FROM THE GETGO. You need to be bold with your interest when you FIRST MEET a chick.......NOT 4 months later.


If she said ok to it being a date,then cool.....hope it works out for you. Can't help this damn "spider sense" of mine going off for some reason,but let's hope for the best. Don't be surprised if she "suddenly" can't make it though.





I can update this if anyone is interested on how it goes next week, if not I guess this topic is done.


I'm interested...update it reguardless of what happens.
 

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Congrats! She just told you, via her answer to your directly making sure it was a 'date,' that she likes you. So, for you, that means there shouldn't be so much pressure for you to make her like you, but rather to enhance that like. The stuff I laid out earlier still applies and has worked countless times. At the very least, make sure you go for the kiss - after 4 months, if she likes you she's probably DYING for it and will be happy to reciprocate. And if not... on to the next!
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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