Alpha on Alpha combat

[Mac]

Hey guys,

Have you guys ever been put into a situation in which their are other alpha males to compete with for impressing women. Often in others alphas presence I just give in since it is difficult to compete. Any of you have suggestions with dealing with other alpha DJish guys, when picking up women.

Mac

 

[Jason S.]

Sorry

Ok ... well .. a new forum and I am back

Sorry Dude but that's bull, I'd never never never ever give in. Over and out. I don't care about competition, because the only thing that could keep me from going after her (not impressing, what's this childish crap anyway, never try to impress a chick. You don't want a job, you wanna bang her, right ?) is my own failure.

So .. just ignore them, who cares about a ****head that's to dumb to take a pee without wetting his shoes in most cases ? In case he gets mad, ignore him anyway until he starts a fight (that might happen from time to time).

my 2 cents

 

[Duff]

you're not an alpha male.

 

[So pimp its scary]

**Those that know about taoism, or have seen the tao of Steve will see where I'm coming from**
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There is no need to ever compete for a women.

"What the hell are you talking about?" - I can hear you saying right now, so I repeat. There is no need to ever compete for a women.

"How can you get the girl if your not willing to compete?" becomes the next logical question. Being a newbie, this may be difficult for you, but you simply need to prove your sexual worth.

"How can I prove my sexual worth???" Simple, by being 'excellent'. Things that can count as being excellent are : having a Dominant personality, Great Conversation, Rapping could be if your good, beatboxing would be another 'if your good' example, OR any sort of 'display' such as magic. The list really is endless. All you need is to find the thing that you are good at.

"But, I'm not excellent at anything." - This is a possible answer, and was covered in the movie 'the tao of steve', so I will answer by quoting Dex, "If you arent excellent in anything, you've got a worse problem then picking up chicks."

"What does this have to do with not having to compete to get this girl?"
Simple, it has everything to do with it... just as it has nothing to do with it. By proving your sexual worth, consistently, for example, in a room with a bunch of guys scrounging around trying to score with that one hottie. Although you do need to be in this womans proximity... while all these guys are trying to score with this woman, you are sitting there, having fun, demonstrating your worth and WORST OF ALL!!!! I will quote what the women WILL be thinking, if you are doing it right,

"WHY IS THIS GUY NOT HITTING ON ME???"

And this thought blows the woman away, she will start hitting on you, and the competition is no longer a competition, because no matter what all the other guys are competing for her... but her thoughts are on how she can compete to GET you.

To paraphrase... These guys are thinking about how they can get their d!nky stinky, you are sitting there thinking about how you can have fun... and the women will sense that, and she will want to have fun with you.

I will post this here, but I think with a little modification... I think this is worth a thread of it's own.

 

[trajhenkhet]

As odd as this sounds, in my experience, a collection of DJ's seem to socially compliment each other.

 

[jakethasnake]

Originally posted by Duff
you're not an alpha male.

Seriously. What makes you think you're an alpha male? The fact that you're even THINKING about this is ample proof that you're *not* an alpha male. An alpha wouldn't even feel the need to visit this site in the first place. Alpha has many, MANY things in life that take precedence of fooling around on the internet. Almost every single one of us here are Beta males. It doesn't make us losers (at least some of us), but it doesn't exactly make us top-dog either.


Maybe you're just "planning for the future", when you ARE an alpha male? Psssh.... Enough with the tomfoolery and just focus on the present, the NOW.

 

[USSOCOM]

Traj, was right on! If you are an Alpha you should consider yourself lucky to find another at the same level as you. Learn from each other....

 

[Charm]

Originally posted by jakethasnake
Seriously. What makes you think you're an alpha male? The fact that you're even THINKING about this is ample proof that you're *not* an alpha male. An alpha wouldn't even feel the need to visit this site in the first place. Alpha has many, MANY things in life that take precedence of fooling around on the internet. Almost every single one of us here are Beta males. It doesn't make us losers (at least some of us), but it doesn't exactly make us top-dog either.


Maybe you're just "planning for the future", when you ARE an alpha male? Psssh.... Enough with the tomfoolery and just focus on the present, the NOW.

I'm an alpha male, and I post here. However, please continue being a Beta-male as Alpha is probably too much for you to handle.

 

[jakethasnake]

Pffft...... ok Charm, whatever you say.

I can't say I'm offended at that little jab, though. I'm not going to bother explaining why, because I don't have the patience for immodest buffoons who toot their own horn. That is all.


Now go play, "alpha"- grasshopper.

 

[Shiftkey]

If you have to compete with the other guys for women, you're not the alpha male of the group. Sounds like there is no alpha male in your group, if there was he would be deligating who gets what woman and there would be no competition what so ever.

 

[Oscar Wilde]

Yes, alphas do post here, cos I just did.

Being alpha has nothing to do with being a DJ. You can have the confidence and dominance of an alpha, without having the knowledge of a DJ. Sure, I've scored enough times in my life, but that was just "getting lucky", because I really didn't know what I was doing. Understanding the rules and logic behind this helps an awful lot (I'm an engineer, I can apply this stuff).

--

Had a great night out DJing on Sat, report later.

Oscar.

 

[suavedave]

Similar question

I wanted to ask you all a question. I love to hear other's opinions. Let me know what you think. I seem to get p'od at alpha males... I guess this is just when I am not considered the alpha in the situation. What is the best tactic to take? Ie, what do you do when there's another alpha -- I think I get too annoyed. I am working on this, but what is the best way to deal with it?

 

[italostud]

I remember when I was younger, I worked at this restaurant. There was a guy there, who was a few years older than me(he was 19, i was 16 or 15 i think).6'1", 220lbs, quarterback at his HS. This guy was the most alpha male I've ever seen in my life. Every single concept that has ever been talked about here, he knew it. He controlled all of the waitresses like it was his harem. At lunch breaks, he would dominate all conversations(not on purpose either). The way he talked, his mannerisms, everything was alpha. I learned a lot from that guy, watching him for the year or two that I worked with him. Although I was intimidated by him, I knew that he had tapped into something most guys never do and I had to figure out what the hell it was. We can all try to be as alpha as we can, and some of us can get pretty high up on the ladder. But for some guys, it's very easy, and they don't even have to think about it.

 

[Enduro]

If you're not an "alpha male" how do you truly know the characteristics of such a man?

 

[Pap]

Mac, if you are interested in tactics for dealing with AMOGs (as we call them on the mASF fastseduction.com forum) or Alpha-Male other guys, then check out below which includes a lot of ideas and tactics that my wingman TylerDurden and I created while in the field at Leicester Square in Lodon.

What follows are my mASF posts, which I have not posted here because
of a firewall that blocked my access to the Mystery's Lounge from school.

They are in my opinion some of the best I've written, and include:

-AMOG TACTICS
-SEXUAL PREDATOR MISINTERPRETATION STYLE
-SOCIAL VIBING
-RANDOM POSTS ABOUT GAME

I'm just reposting for guys who are interested.


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Just stopped by, and thought I could post something. I don't have
time to get into all that stuff Jlaix was on about (too long), but
here's some other stuff I've been up to lately that I thought was
pretty funny.

I learned most of this stuff in Europe, while trying to steal sets
from guys and preventing them from stealing sets from me. The guys
here are not pushovers like most guys I meet in North America. Many
have game.

This is field tested probably hundreds of times.


AMOG: How do you guys know eachother?
PUA: Her? I ****ed her.

(Girl will go "aaaaaaaaah... hahahahah, I did NOT!!! But she'll hit
you and be giggling and start crawling all over you...).

AMOG: Hey, this is a nice girl.
PUA: Her.. she's a slut..

(Again, girl will start going "nooooo!" while giggling her ass off
and crawling on you.. this is very deflating to the guy trying to
cut in)

NOTE: Trying the above 2 was actually kinda weird for me. I was
like "****, I can't say this". But I'd seen the European naturals
use it on me a few times, so I thought "**** it, I'll use it". I use
it all the time now, including just bringing it up like "actually
guys, you know her and I know eachother.. know how? I ****ed her.."
The girls freak out and giggle and grab you and get hyper. The key
though is that you have to do it when they're already at high buying
temperature. Like similar to CraigSD220's C&F Accentuators. You do
it to add punch to something else that already got them laughing.

AMOG: Hey girls whats up (or whatever)
PUA: Hey dude dude (putting hands up like you give up).. I will pay
you a HUNDRED dollars right now, to take these girls away from me.

(Girls will go "no no no... we love you PUA.. noooooo" and giggle
and crawl on you.. Again, immediately deflating to the guy)

AMOG: Hey girls what's up (or whatever)
PUA: Dude, OMG that shirt is AWESOME.. I had one just like it in
highschool, it ****ing rocks man.. Having a good time in London
man.. It's awesome huh? Dude you're like the coolest guy I met all
night.. (patting him on the shoulder)..

AMOG: (showing signs that he wants to fight)
PUA: hahah, dude, are you like trying to pick a fight with me?
hahahha.. ok ok hold up hold up.. wait a sec, we'll do even better..
first... we'll have an armwrestling competition.. then second..
we'll do one armed pushups.. and last..... POSE-DOWN!!

(then you start flexing and go "ladies?", and they start saying how
you're so strong, and the AMOG looks like a tool.. you're tooling
him, by making him seem like he's trying too hard to impress the
girls by showing them superiority).

AMOG: Hey man.. keep talking.. no no, let's hear your pitch man..
pick these girls up man, you're doing awesome.
PUA: Hey, you know I've gotta try to impress you COOL (x-city, x-
dressed, x-whateverquality) guys.. You guys ****ing ROCK.

(cut him down on whatever limited amount of knowledge you have of
him, even if its not relevant whatsoever, he'll feel uncomfortable
and his bodylanguage will show it)


AMOG: (starts touching you to show dominance)
PUA: hahhaha, DUUUUDE, I'm not into guys man... dude, there's club-
gay-whatever over there man.. hands off the merchandise buddy

(girls laugh at him, then he starts qualifying himself to you that
he's not gay)


AMOG: (gets in your face)
PUA: (don't answer.. just SIT there quiet.. the more he says stuff
to you, the more he's TRYING.. talking too long without an answer is
QUALIFYING yourself.. so if he keeps trying to out-alpha you, and
you don't answer, eventually he looks beta because he tried too hard
to get your attention.. another trick is to make "let's get out of
here" girlcode with your eyes to the girls (mimmick what they do to
eachother when you do a bad set), and they'll leave with you)

AMOG: (gets in your face)
PUA: dude, you're an alphamale..
AMOG: what's that..
PUA: you know, like the leader of the pack.. you call the shots..
you can put your hands on guys you don't know, cause you're alpha..

(****s up his whole 'look cool' game, because you've characterized
all his manneurisms, so anything he does to look alpha makes him
appear to be qualifying himself too you.. if he continues, just
say "see... alphamale.. whoa tiger, I can't mess")

 

[Pap]

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Also more tactics..

Once you get the guy to qualify himself to you in any way (like he
tries to make friends), rather than being nice, IMMEDIATELY cut him
out of the circle. Just cut him out. You'll notice trying to SHUT
YOUR GAME DOWN by bombarding you with logical questions. They'll
start pummeling you with logical stuff, so that you have to answer
him the girls fall out of state. For me I found the solution was
just to say "hey man, don't get all scientific on me.. we're here to
have fun.." and then immediately start gaming the girls again. btw,
if I'm out with any of my GFs at a club, and another guy hits on
them, I use the same tactics on AMOGS to stop them.

When you cut him out of the circle, he'll either leave (too
deflated), or he'll try to grab your shoulder and say something
like "don't turn your back on me". From there, the girls think he's
creepy, so you say "hey guys, this dude is creepy.. are you friends
with this guy?? did YOU bring this guy here?" The girls will say "no
no no, we don't know him", and you say "OK, let's get out of here",
and put out your arms for them to grab.

Then walk away with the girls on your arms, and if you want (I do
this alot) turn around and have them both kiss you on the cheek and
wave the AMOG goodbye.

===

Also, you can USE the AMOG's WORK for yourself. Like he lines 'em
up, you knock 'em down.

This is something I do alot. I let a guy pick a girl up and increase
her buying temperature, then I go in and outalpha him, say he's
creepy to the girls, and then remove them from him.

The girls are already aroused, so they are still in state based on
what the AMOG did. I can do this like maybe on 90% of sets I
approach where a natural AMOG has gotten far with a girl. I think a
dude I know "Stephane" recently posted about this on Cliff's List
regarding a sarge we did.

Basically, I just make the friends of the girl who is getting gamed
on by the AMOG like me. Like, they want me, but they know they're
not qualified but their friend is.

Then I say "Hey I want to meet your friend so much, but that touchy
grabby lean in guy is all over her.. is she just being nice, or does
she really like guys who lean in and touch and do all the 'whats
your name' fake ungenuine stuff?"

The UGs are invariably like "no no, we hate guys like that.. that's
why we love you so much blah blah", and then you get the FRIENDS to
literally REMOVE the hottie that you want from the AMOG who is
conveniently heating her up for you and saving you the hassle.

Have fun.



-TD

PS: I just read Style's recent post on Cliff's List about rapid fire
value conveyers or something like that. I thought it was great, and
someone might consider reposting it here.

Hoboken wrote:
1.What would you do if you are with a chick and she is not yet into
you and a AMOG upsurps you..would your tactics work then or is there
another method?

2.What about guys that say nothing to you and then put there arm
around the HB you are sarging or hold her hand?

3.Does Ben do the same thing for anti AMOG?

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TD SAYS:
Thanks man. 1) At this point, my game is based around the assumption
that all girls I approach will be into me, unless I made an error.
If they're not though, I suppose I'd probably try to exploit the
alphamale as something I could use to convey higher value in front
of the girl, and hope that she sticks around to watch. 2) I'd
say "wow, you guys are so cute.. you look like brother and sister.."
3) As for Ben, one thing that's frustered me is that I never get a
chance to sarge with the guy. We're always split up in groups. Same
with Papa for the last few months. It sucks. They're my close
friends, but we never get to sarge together. My main wing right now
is Sickboy007.


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Michael wrote:
In case it's not already
obvious, I just wanted to say
that if YOU "started up" with HIM and interrupted him with his HB(s)
and so thereby started the "attack"
on this AMOG, and if THEN he starts to
show that he will fight,
it would be risky as hell
to do the same tactic of
making fun of him, etc.

 

[Pap]

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TD SAYS:
Yeah totally man. For me though, I don't worry about that.

Papa pointed out to me that we look at a mixed gender set and
analyze one of two choices.

1) If they CAME with the set (they're there "together") then its
*NEUTRALIZE*.

2) If they're just meeting them that night, then its *BLOW THEM
OUT*.

So if the guys are with the girls, I cut them down, until THEY are
chasing rapport with ME. Then I make friends. But if they don't know
the girls before now, I just roll in and literally PLOW them with my
better tonality blitzkrieg-style. My tonality is specially geared
towards cutting through noise in clubs. I talk from the diaphragm,
and it cuts over all other noise while not appearing that I'm
yelling. Girls are like deer in the headlight around it, which is
why I'm able to cut over all other talking. I find that often while
I'm gaming sets, girls from around the area will start coming over
to check me out, because they hear the voice cutting over
everything, even though it doesn't sound like I'm actually YELLING.
They say weird **** like "I like your voice".. It just sounds like
I'm talking, but its cutting over all music/talking/noise. I also
have inflexions in my voice that I learned from meeting the best
guys, that come across playful and cut out the guys immediately.

The key here is PATTERN BREAKING. For example, we all have patterns.
If I go to shake hands with you, but then I cut you off just as I'm
about to shake it, you'll be STUNNED for a second. This is a natural
response.

So this goes for false opinion openers.. (pattern-breakers
in '*'): "Hey *guys*, I *need* a female opinion.. do *girls* think
that the rockstar David Bowie is hot? *short pause, not long enough
for them to answer*, my friends little sister just got a poster of
David Bowie.. That is an OLD MAN.. he is OLD.. *do YOU like old
men???*

-"guys" breaks pattern of them being called "girls", and disarms
-"need" disarms asking permission.. rather than setting their brain
on a "can I get" train of thought, where her thought process has to
DECIDE whether or not to reply, you just say you "need" it, so she
has to listen
-do "girls" think that, implies that you don't care what SHE in
particular thinks, and you are just using her as a SPECIMEN for a
female opinion
-the short pause, just too short for her to answer, allows you to
barrel through and cut over all her thought processes and those of
the guys.. she then BACKWARDS RATIONALIZES that because she's been
chatting you for 2 minutes, that you're in a conversation, and
doesn't resist it
-"do YOU like old men" is an accusation.. it gets her buying
temperature up, because you're accusing her of things, which conveys
you as authoritative, and gets her into a qualifying frame.

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IJJJI wrote:
You acknowledge him too much. IGNORE him until the HB you talk to
start to notice him. At this moment he will come off as TRYING to
get into your set (trying=beta).

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Thanks for the input man. Actually you and I are on the EXACT same
wave length here, but I failed to explain things thoroughly so good
clarification. Check over the part where I wrote to actually just
not to talk to the alpha, to bait him to keep talking to you. Where
I wrote "just sit there and say nothing, or even make "let's go"
girl eye code.

What I do is use silence to blow the guy out. If he acknowledges ME
while I won't acknowledge HIM, he qualifies himself by still paying
attention to me, and is blown out.

As for acknowledging him too much, I actually DISREGARD the alphas
until they try to cut in. I de-value them by treating them like they
don't exist, but if they get in my way aggressively (which is what
most of the post was referring to, since its Europe out here), then
I cut them down with the aforementioned tactics.

Still man, very good clarification, because like with boyfriend
destroyers where guys will say "How do you get the boyfriend to come
up in convo?", its like "dude, this is TROUBLE SHOOTING..
preferably, you don't want it to come up at all". The out-alpha
stuff is for when its unavoidable - common out here in Europe.

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IJJJI WROTE:
Okokok.. but TD, you left out the one AMOG that poses a real
problem. Its the one who goes straight up to the HB you are talking
to and NEG her, while totally ignoring you. What are you supposed to
do if he gets HB's attention and continue ignoring you??

 

[Pap]

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Haaa.. dude, you definetely do this stuff also.. Yes man, in Lester
Square we get these guys. The key is to go FURTHER than they do..
Good that you brought this up also, I forgot about these, and
they're common.

Examples:

AMOG: You know I already ****ed these girls.
PUA: haa... oh man, I hope you doubled up! GROSS!

AMOG: hey guys..
PUA: Hey.. know how I know these girls.. I ****ed them..
AMOG: haa.. then you got sloppy seconds buddy.. gross!
PUA: hahaha.. oh dude, you KNOW I doubled up on these girls.. hahaha

AMOG: look at these little brats (or whatever teasing or neg)
PUA: yeah man, these girls tried to **** me all night..
AMOG: they tried to **** YOU? hahha, these girls ARE sluts!
PUA: dude, you have NO CLUE.. these girls just did (whatever thing
you can MISINTERPRET)


THIS I LEARNED FROM CROATIAN BADBOY (IMO the best PUA in the scene
in all Europe, taught me this stuff.. he's not known on mASF, but
well known in the European scene and the Lounge.. He did post stuff
here though on how he ****ed the "Miss Croatia" competition winners
and other celebs he ****ed, which you guys may remember)

Look at the double binds Badboy is using here:

AMOG: hey look at these little brats (or whatever teasing)
BADBOY: hey man.. do you have a girlfriend?

either:

AMOG: yes..
BADBOY: girls.. what do you think of a guy who goes out and leaves
his girlfriend all alone.. is that nice?
HBS: nooooo...

or:

AMOG: no... (he now looks bad for having no girlfriend)
BADBOY: man, you have to be nice to girls.. you have to by them
drinks and flowers and call them 10 times a day.. girls, you like
guys who treat you nice right (they HAVE to say yes, even though
they don't.. also, by saying it in a way that makes nice guys sound
LAME, he's highlighting that he's not like that, but is TOOLING the
AMOG all the while)

For guys who have less game:
AMOG: flowers/drinks/compliments/even just approaching
BADBOY: girls.. go to him.. he is nice.. he will buy you whatever
you want, and call TEN TIMES A DAY.. no no.. a HUNDRED TIMES A DAY..
he will WORSHIP YOU..



-TD


Thanks Craig. That reminds of me the classic "Hey, when I'm talking
to you I'll point my finger at you" from your Elimidate. I used that
tonight and the HB10 was all over it.

One addition that I forgot about.

Sickboy007 and I were gaming a 2 set from this HUGE 6'6 black guy.
Once he looked ready to knock us down, Sickboy007 goes -


Sickboy007: Dude, have you ever seen Fight Club.. Have you ever seen
Fight Club??
AMOG: umm yeah..
Sickboy007: OK dude, dude.. "I want you to HIT ME, AS HARD AS YOU
CAN"... hit me.. hit me...
AMOG: (looking like WTF?)
Sickboy007: whoa whoa whoa.. actually dude, DO NOT hit me.. with
those arms, man you'd KILL ME.. seriously man, don't don't.. look at
this guy, WTF was I thinking???

(use at your own risk.. ... )


Also, I get alot of AMOGs here knowing the frame, so I have to take
it further: AMOG: Is that design on your shirt a sphinkter? Man,
you're going to need somebody to protect you mate, you're going to
have all the guys into you.. (yes I actually got this, and that was
a cool shirt but he still found a way to diss it, and to be honest
it was a good diss)
PUA: Dude, that's why I rolled up on you.. I need YOU man.. help me,
please man.. dude, I look at you, and I just KNOW that you were born
to protect my sphinkter


OR:


AMOG: Is that design on your shirt a sphinkter? Man, you're going to
need somebody to protect you mate, you're going to have all the guys
into you..
PUA: hahah man you are SO FUNNY.. man, you're the best comedian..
dude, honestly, I like you man.. you're awesome.. you don't have to
be funny for me to like you..

AMOG: hey you ****ing ginger-minger.. (I'm considered bad looking
out here, because red-head guys are apparently unattractive in
Britain - gingerminger means ugly redhead guy.. for guys who are
fat, short, etc, guys will fall back on a CRUTCH and hit you with
something sensitive to try to get you to flinch.. after getting
burned on this a few times, I figured the formula, again, is to
point out the GAP between what they actually ARE what what they
PROJECT..
PUA: whoa you're like the best verbal sparring partner ever.. that
was so original man.. you're SO COOL.. ladies, is this guy not the
coolest?? Guy, I can't roll with you, I'll pay you a hundred dollars
to take these ladies from me right now..


-TD

....saw some more tonight.

I'm walking home (first day back at school, btw) and some dude is
pissing on the wall.

AMOG: its ****ing huge, huh?
TD: yeah dude, I almost swooned.


He's surprised obviously (this guy was pretty alpha actually). He
keeps walking, probably thinking of how to out-alpha me.

AMOG: swooned huh? hahah man you're such a JOKER.

(I *LIKE* this one, calling guys a "joker" if they nail you with a
good one.. like the implication is that he's the insecure type to
use humour to gain acceptance)

TD: yeah man... you know I've got to impress..

(standard come back for guys who imply I'm trying to impress them
with any of the "nice shirt" or "you're awesome" type stuff)

AMOG: haa, I AM impressed man..

(still trying to top me here)

TD: guy, without my fans.....

(I raise my hands to finish the sentence.. notice that in out-
alphaing, you don't use alot of well thought out sentences.. its
like even giving well thought out answers is too much.. this is like
from JAP Busting posts where I answer "why did you ask me this"
simply with "....I'm talking" (with a funny face like "WTF is she
thinking asking me this.. ) Then I do freeze out and turn my back on
him. If he attempts to re-initiate, he's outalpha'ed, so must give
up.. Also, if a guy answers with something too well thought out, I
just smirk and go "whoa dude, that's pretty scientific" and
immediately turn my back and freeze him out.. As usual, if he tries
to get me to turn around by grabbing me, I run the "whoa dude, Club-
477 (gay club here) is down there.. hands off the merchandise buddy,
and if he replies I keep saying "man I'm not gay.. stop trying man,
I'm not gay").

===

I think another variation of this could be if a guy really burns
you, you could say:

PUA: haaa, GUY, hahah.. man, I can't keep up with you buddy, while
I'm out you're like at home thinking this stuff up.. guy you are a
JOKER man..




-TD


====================END OF OUTALPHA POSTS
_________________
Tyler Durden

 

[suavedave]

Great to see you

Im so happy to see you here. These are better tactics than I have seen before. Say hi to TylerDurden!

 

[StockTrader]

Alpha/beta......gamma.........sigma.......whatever you want to call it, it is wildly overrated IMO. If you have balls and confidence with women, you are going to get farther than 95% of the typical AFC's out there.