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El brujo

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I know a lot of guys that are in a relationship, and guys that aren't, and a lot of them are my friends. What I see is that they all act so AFC when they are around girls. I can't stand that. If I try to explain them a bit about being not so AFC, they just can't believe it. THey are all so stuck in that circle of being afc. I see all their girlfriends treatin them like shyt, and those guys always let them and dont even bother. Should I even bother to try to help them?

Grtz
 

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Have you ever considered that you are stuck yourself? Only that you are "stuck" in the "DJ" circle, while they are stuck in the "AFC" circle? That you are both equally stuck, no matter what "is" one and what "is" the other?

Chew on it for a bit.
 

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And is the fact that I'm stuck in the "dj"circle as bad as being stuck in the afc circle? I'm not treated as shyt anymore by any girl, I'm happy with who I am while they are anxiously waiting by the phone till their girlfriend calls.Why am I stuck?
 

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Help them only if they ask you for help. I find with all the AFC's taking the 1-6's, this leaves the 7's, 8's, 9's and coveted 10's at large :D They do us a favor by getting with all the girls we as DJ's don't want. Not to mention HB's leave them alone like the plague.
 

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You are still stuck, Brujo. You, now with the "DJ mindset," are stuck in the more society acceptable and popular regions. Before, when you were an "AFC" you were stuck the same, only that you were in those regions that are not popular and very society wanted. Stuck before, stuck now. You only bowed down to the more liked society standards and to where you have to fight less and that gives you a feeling of relief and confidence. Or to say it another way "If you can't beat em', join em'!"
All of this is of course, nothing to be ashamed of and i mean it. Society is one big motherfycer who you can't beat easily.
 

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"If you can't beat em', join em'!"
In what region are you stuck after you beat em? what comes after being stuck in the djcircle?



Help them only if they ask you for help. I find with all the AFC's taking the 1-6's, this leaves the 7's, 8's, 9's and coveted 10's at large They do us a favor by getting with all the girls we as DJ's don't want. Not to mention HB's leave them alone like the plague.
You're right, and sometimes I have this selfish feeling:

Why should I share this knowledge with that AFC? If I don't I have more girls.... (You know what I mean) but then I change my mind because that would be wrong.
 

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Yeah man I'd just leave them to do what they want. But if you see someone reaching out for advice(doesn't mean they have to ask out loud), just give them a few one-liner tips
 

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Brujo, ignore Titus, getting logical responses out of him is like trying to explain the physics of a square circle. But don't kill yourself tryin to explain it to them either, just let em do what floats their boat. If they come whining to you, explain it to em.
 

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After you beat them, or rather, after you stop caring about them, you are not stuck in any region. That is the point. You simply "wake up" in the middle of nowhere.

And i didn't understand the second question. You are just stuck in it. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

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Originally posted by Titus
Have you ever considered that you are stuck yourself? Only that you are "stuck" in the "DJ" circle, while they are stuck in the "AFC" circle? That you are both equally stuck, no matter what "is" one and what "is" the other?
This has been by far the biggest pile of shyt I have ever seen written on this board... Go back to climbing the Alps.
El Brujo:
The only remedy for curing your AFC friends is actually finding new ones. They won't listen to you, so why bother. Besides, if you manage to find a true wingman you'll be 10x better off.
 

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ok thanks for the advice, but I think one thing is wrong:

The only remedy for curing your AFC friends is actually finding new ones
Some of them have been friends for about ten years, I couldn't shove them aside, and a little time ago I've been just like them, ignoring the good advice that more experienced guys gave me. But I managed well, and those guys who laughed at me and gave me their advice helped me a lot.



After you beat them, or rather, after you stop caring about them, you are not stuck in any region. That is the point. You simply "wake up" in the middle of nowhere.
Actually, Titus, I think I get your nonsense...:) It's very much related to the buddhist beliefs (did you get your inspiration there?)

CA
 

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Originally posted by Titus
After you beat them, or rather, after you stop caring about them, you are not stuck in any region. That is the point. You simply "wake up" in the middle of nowhere.

And i didn't understand the second question. You are just stuck in it. Nothing more, nothing less.
Stop pulling dumb shyt out your ass. He already has beat them and he doesnt care about them. The only reason he would try to help them is so they he can help himself. By helping them they slowly start to understand and then they can help him. I dont know what youre talking about saying that hes stuck, its not like he cant move on and is being ignorant. Please dont give advice like this on the count of it is horrible.
 

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Oakrider, he didn't beat them, he just started thinking differently then them, or whatever changes he also applied to himself that only he knows of.
And Oakie boy, just because you don't understand what i am writing in my posts, does it mean that it absolutly means nothing?
Trust me, lost of people on this earth have risen to heaven and above by "waking up" from their illusion. What am i talking about has been the topic that has been battered, rammed and overdebated since the times people started using their brains to do more then just hunt, pick berries, reproduce and rub sticks and stones together.
Brujo, i don't know where it originaly comes from, but it doesn't matter, because it is universal just like sleeping, eating or taking a dump. It's the same wheter you are Japanese, Chinese, Indian, Buddist, Catholic, non-believer or anything else.

And it's really sad, to **** off your friends just because you think you grabed God by the balls with this site *sigh* Really sad.
Whoever is reading this, PLEASE, if you are thinking about dropping your friends, because you think you are something more then them, think about it again, more for your own sake then theirs. What is worth more?
A companion?
Or your own ego?
 

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Titus, you should read about enlightenment in Buddhism and Zenbuddhism. Being and non-being. It's very much related to your philosofical "bµllsh1t".

I guess you put the DJ-way of thinking in a philosifal way: You mustn't strive for being a DJ, because then you won't accomplish it, you just have to be, and you don't have to be. What lies in the middle of being and non-being is the state you want to accomplish.
 

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Originally posted by Titus
And it's really sad to **** off your friends just because you think you grabed God by the balls with this site *sigh* Really sad.
Whoever is reading this, PLEASE, if you are thinking about dropping your friends, because you think you are something more then them, think about it again, more for your own sake then theirs. What is worth more?
A companion?
Or your own ego?
Listen to this:
If you drop a lobster into a pot of boiling water, it will jump right out of it. If you, however, put two of them in at the same time they'll both boil to death. Why, you might ask? It's simple. They dragged each other down, not letting the other one get out.
It's same with AFC friends. If you wanna keep being friends with them, be prepared to some 'dragging down'.
Nobody here says that we got God by the balls, Titus. The truth remains, however, that we have changed and they haven't and now no matter how much you like your AFC buddies, you can always find people that are better in many ways. In fact, I always hang out with people that I feel are better than me. Why? Because:
a) it urges me to strive to be better than they are;
b) to outsiders, you will always appear as good as the best member of the group and;
c)Believe it or not, you are judged by your posse.
Chew on that, milkboy.
 

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When I see friends act AFCs with girls I just let it go and continue being a Don Juan. I think they will learn 10x better watching and seeing the success then trying to tell them what to do.
 

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Jep your right digitalrat, and you can also learn while you spend time with your friends and their girlfriends. for example:

When I'm with my best friend (afc), and his girl is there too, she is used to boss guys around because she can get away with it with my friend, and then she tries to do that with me too, and so I learn and learn. In the beginning she walked all over me, but when time went by, I could deal with impossible girls like her, and others. Right now, that girl has a lot of respect for me, much more respect than she gives to my friend. And because of that, my friend gets jealous of the respect I get and he doesn't get, so he'll try to beat me, so he'll get less afc too. I've figured this out just recently, when I started to think about what I should do with afc friends. I don't aggree that we can compare this situation with the lobster-situation, if you keep your head at it. I see it as a game, where I can grow to be the best. My wish is to be the best, but I don't focus on it. that's the trick. I just keep to be myself and I don't let major b1tches boss me around and let them ask me: "will you pay for my french fries? pleeeeeeeaaaaaaaaase"....:)
 

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Originally posted by Titus
Oakrider, he didn't beat them, he just started thinking differently then them, or whatever changes he also applied to himself that only he knows of.

Yes, and by thinking differently he has created more chances for himself to be more open toward something. Since his thinking is different and he has the right midset then htat means that he has the potential to beat them;therefore, he has somewhat beat them.

And Oakie boy, just because you don't understand what i am writing in my posts, does it mean that it absolutly means nothing?

Just because you're trying to turn DJing in to more than it really is does that mean that you have to not listen to anyone else?? You're making it MUCH more complicated than it really is.

Trust me, lost of people on this earth have risen to heaven and above by "waking up" from their illusion. What am i talking about has been the topic that has been battered, rammed and overdebated since the times people started using their brains to do more then just hunt, pick berries, reproduce and rub sticks and stones together.
Brujo, i don't know where it originaly comes from, but it doesn't matter, because it is universal just like sleeping, eating or taking a dump. It's the same wheter you are Japanese, Chinese, Indian, Buddist, Catholic, non-believer or anything else.


What are you talking about??? What illusion are you talking about?? This isnt buddhism or a religon nor is it complicated as one. So why are you trying to compare two things that differ so greatly for?? Dont tell me i dont understand what you mean because i do, you just have a BAD comparison.

And it's really sad, to **** off your friends just because you think you grabed God by the balls with this site *sigh* Really sad.
Whoever is reading this, PLEASE, if you are thinking about dropping your friends, because you think you are something more then them, think about it again, more for your own sake then theirs. What is worth more?
A companion?
Or your own ego?


You must be a person who got dropped cause your friends outgrew you. It IS possible for your friends to hold you back. But because you MUST still be an AFC you dont understand that concept yet. The way they act and their attitude can bring you down if you stay around them which you most likely dont want unless you're like that. Trying to get more for yourself instead of being brought down where you dont wanna be is worth more.
 

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"I guess you put the DJ-way of thinking in a philosifal way: You mustn't strive for being a DJ, because then you won't accomplish it, you just have to be, and you don't have to be. What lies in the middle of being and non-being is the state you want to accomplish."

*Titus shakes Ej Brujo's hand*
Could i please have a "FYCK YEAH," here? You got it right.
But who knows what might come out of it in 10 years. I can hardly wait to see!


xanderbaz, you seem like you got some points figured out for yourself. That's good.
Mine are very different then yours, but i'm still curious what you might think about them:
I know what you mean, by being dragged down. It happened to me too, a while ago. I suddenly started realizing i had almost nothing in common with some people i spent lots of time with, and that what they were doing actually wasn't what i wanted to do. But those that i consider "friends," and not just "buddies," are still here, no matter if they have the "AFC" tendencies. They don't influence me much anymore, but i still like their company very much. Or to say it another way, i'm friends with them just because of friendship, not because of anykind of improvement or learining.

a) it urges me to strive to be better than they are;

*sigh* Where do i know that attitude from? Yep, restless nights, anger, nonstop fighting who is right and who is now, even in your own head, frustration... etc.
Xand, please, just keep listening to yourself... if you like that kind of attitude, good, but if you ever get the feeling you are getting tired of competing, don't think twice about throwing it all away... cause' once you hit the pavement and it starts hurting, it'll only start hurting more and more, all they way until you drop it all.

b) to outsiders, you will always appear as good as the best member of the group and;

As i already said, i don't care much how i appear to people. I'm far from being totaly unaffected by it, but i try anyway. And, quite a stroke of luck, people threat me very good with that kind of attitude. Some aren't so fortunate.

c)Believe it or not, you are judged by your posse.

xanderbaz, BELIEVE ME, i FYKIN know what you are talking about... much better them quite a lot of people. And that is one more reason i try not to think what people think about me.

Oakriderz2, here are you :)
"Just because you're trying to turn DJing in to more than it really is does that mean that you have to not listen to anyone else?? You're making it MUCH more complicated than it really is."

I found this one quite interesting.
Doest that mean that DJing has limits?? And i try to listen to everyone around me. I stated that a few times already.

"What are you talking about??? What illusion are you talking about?? This isnt buddhism or a religon nor is it complicated as one. So why are you trying to compare two things that differ so greatly for?? Dont tell me i dont understand what you mean because i do, you just have a BAD comparison."

Goddang, i you say you understand what i wrote, well, then I DON'T on what you wrote back.
You seem to have failed to understand what i ment with "illusions," so i'll try to summon it all up in a few sentances for you:
You are TOTALY blind, deaf and numb. Yes, you read it correctly. You are. You don't see anything or hear anything. You have been like that since you left childhood and since you left behind all the primary awareness of the world behind you, the one that mother nature gave to you. It was replaced with the secondary awareness that was given to you by the society, so you could live and fit inside it. Be that, do that, have this, have that... you have been sleeping all of your life, you are even now. All that you see around you, people, object, all that you hear around you, animals, whistling of wind, gurgling of water, listening to people is fake. You don't see it as it is in truth. You see and hear it throu your deformed perceptions that have been forced into you by your parents, society, friends, school and mostly everyting else that is society inflicted. You are asleep. But it is possible to wake up, get rid of your illusions and get back your primary awareness, but it is far from being easy. Becuase the issue here, as it is in secondary awareness, is not "get something," but "get rid of something, shed it."
But do not despair. I am also like that, like everyone else around you. But being aware that you ARE asleep is the first step towards waking up.

Good luck, Oakriderz2 i hope you'll make it someday
 

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But being aware that you ARE asleep is the first step towards waking up.
Now, Titus, you HAVE to tell me where you got that theory from. Do you study philosophie or something? I read all that stuff a few years ago and I can't remember who wrote it all down.


BTW why is there so much hostility in here? Let it be people!
 
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