AFC articles on sosuave.com

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Well, it's like everything elsewhere, there's info that will mislead. I don't mind so much the 'that's a pretty name line' but the 'may I kiss you' line could make you look like such a mega wuss that a woman's IL could drop from 75 to 15 if you said that.
 

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Personally, I like the idea of not forcing oneself on a woman. A relationship is as much her decision as yours, and it's your job to convince her to make the right decision. Treating a woman well gives her positive feelings, which she will grow to associate with you, causing her to want to spend more time with you "because you make her feel good." I really don't see anything wrong with that article. Behavior like that is part of the reason my LTR and I will be celebrating our 2nd anniversary in a couple weeks.
 

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I really don't see anything wrong with that article.
of course you dont, your a self confessed virgin and proud.:rolleyes: does a vegetarian know anything about cuts of meat?

dust 2 dust is right, its bollocks, since when have we changed our opinion to "asking" may i kiss you .wtf?

isnt that what kino is for and getting her into such a sexual state she will appreciate you acting like a man who knows what he wants and goes for it????

confused
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This site is full of AFC and even at times WBAFC advice... actually this is a pretty **** place to base your knowledge on considering seduction is the "main" agenda here.

Its no wonder many regulars on this site consider "online" sarging a good idea! :rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by PUA_GUY
This site is full of AFC and even at times WBAFC advice... actually this is a pretty **** place to base your knowledge on considering seduction is the "main" agenda here.

Its no wonder many regulars on this site consider "online" sarging a good idea! :rolleyes:
The internet has some serious advantages. Where else can you talk to 3 women at once and have none of them get upset?
For quantity the internet is amazing. The quality over time isn't that bad either. But the internet rewards a completely different skill set than the club.
 

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Originally posted by PUA_GUY
This site is full of AFC and even at times WBAFC advice... actually this is a pretty **** place to base your knowledge on considering seduction is the "main" agenda here.

Its no wonder many regulars on this site consider "online" sarging a good idea! :rolleyes:
PUA_GUY,

Sometimes you need to shut up. Here you come from ASF thinking you're gods gift to seduction and that, being a regular mASFerbater, you're above anything posted here. In case you didn't realize, many SoSuavers are on mASF too and have built reputations on both sites. Its perfectly fine if you want to come here and criticize particular pieces of advice and, thereby, give us your insight, but it just seems like you're begging for a flame-fest. Take a look at gunwitch, he's here, and rather than taking the flamer method he's actually spending time posting his articles and theories, thereby, HELPING people! One line I hear on mASF, "We learn the knowledge we don't have, and share the knowledge that we do." If you want to share, thats fine, if you want to bitch, then go to HeartlessBitches.com.

Also, on the point of "online sarging," no one is claiming its a substitute for real sarging, but you present it as such. If you listen to Mystery, then you'd know that the hardest stage in sarging is the Find stage, M, A, and C are whole lot easier. By tapping into the online network, all you do is set up some cheesy page, throw some lines, and then start meeting and filter out those you don't want. I don't do online dating, but the premise, from a DJ/PUA perspective is perfectly legit: no effort pickups. Even Mystery has written about online PUs.
 

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That particular chunk of advice IS pretty weak. I've even seen E-mails circulated among GIRLS that say, "Thou shalt never ask for a kiss, thou shalt take one." I mean, no, don't force yourself on the girl, but a kiss is never a decision or a transaction.

I was actually ready to b*tch you out for being another SoSuave complainer, but after reading that blurb, your complaint is actually fairly legit.

Maybe you should move this to "suggestions."
 

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A Moderator's Humble Opinion....

Its not Allen's job to determine what content is and/or isn't "AFC". That's your job. Unlike seducingwomen101 or mASF, this site isn't centralized towards only one school of thought when it comes to women and relationships. Take what you think applies to your own personal life and ignore the rest.

That being said, I'm moving this to Suggestions and Feedback.
 

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No, it's not centralized toward one "school of thought" per se, but you can tell that there are some general underlying ideas and themes that both Allen and generally everyone on this forum share.

This particular article is correct that no woman "owes" you a kiss for ANYTHING, especially not buying her dinner and crap, and to expect that or buy things for her in return for that is AFC at its finest. But asking for a kiss is a weak position to take with any woman. To me, if you "have to ask," then you're probably not ready to kiss.

My only real concern is that articles will be added not with regard for their content, but for their sponsorship of SoSuave. I know it takes a lot to run this site, but I'd hate to see the content be affected by corporate motives. :(

That's my 0.02
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Hey Moderators and Allen, how would you feel about having surveys on how the users would see fit to have weekly or dayly apearence on the front page? I say that the people interested in writing frontpage articles should stand up and let the other users vote for who they would prefer.

I personally beleive Ross Jeffreis is a peice of shit in many regards.
 

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Originally posted by squirrels
No, it's not centralized toward one "school of thought" per se, but you can tell that there are some general underlying ideas and themes that both Allen and generally everyone on this forum share.
I seriously beg to differ. We have everyone here from Pook worshippers to wanna-be pimps and PUAs to D9 clones. And all are spouting their gospel as the only supreme doctrine.

Allen does compile HIS own "Discussion Hall of Fame." However, there isn't any underlying theme to the compilation; at least I don't see any. The "Discussion Hall of Fame" is just Allen's collection of what he thinks are some of the more persuasive and better written articles posted here.

The "DJ Bible", however, is a totally different animal altogether. First of all, it isn't Allen's creation, but OURS. Secondly, it was Neophyte's attempt to compile a list of better articles, but unlike the HOF, the "Bible" was supposed to stay within certain "DJ" principles that were generally accepted by forum members AT THAT TIME. Things haven't exactly worked out that way (because its impossible, imo). The "DJ Bible" is chock full of contradictions, but Neo's heart was in the right place so you can't fault him or Nick Hill for that.

Originally posted by squirrels
This particular article is correct that no woman "owes" you a kiss for ANYTHING, especially not buying her dinner and crap, and to expect that or buy things for her in return for that is AFC at its finest. But asking for a kiss is a weak position to take with any woman. To me, if you "have to ask," then you're probably not ready to kiss.
I agree 100%. But still, we don't own this site. I'm sure Allen has his reasons for keeping that article posted. We have to respect that.

Originally posted by squirrels
My only real concern is that articles will be added not with regard for their content, but for their sponsorship of SoSuave. I know it takes a lot to run this site, but I'd hate to see the content be affected by corporate motives. :(

That's my 0.02
So, you would rather have SoSuave turn into a pay site, right?...:(
 

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Originally posted by MrBond007
Hey Moderators and Allen, how would you feel about having surveys on how the users would see fit to have weekly or dayly apearence on the front page? I say that the people interested in writing frontpage articles should stand up and let the other users vote for who they would prefer.

I personally beleive Ross Jeffreis is a peice of **** in many regards.
Some of those articles bring in the only source of income for the site. I seriously doubt Allen would be willing to fork over any influence or control of the frontpage.

I share your sentiments about RJ. However, be careful about bypassing the swear filter in the future, ok?
 

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Originally posted by Survivor
Some of those articles bring in the only source of income for the site. I seriously doubt Allen would be willing to fork over any influence or control of the frontpage.

I share your sentiments about RJ. However, be careful about bypassing the swear filter in the future, ok?
1-How much does it cost him to run this website? I spend 500$ monthly on mine and I have no need of an ugly frontpage to afford it.

2-How much does it cost to have your articles on the frontpage?Maybe I could pay better and have the stupid stuff removed for a while and piss off RJ while Im at it.

3-If it such a hassle to pay for hosting the forums, I offer my bandwidth and server space for free as long as RJ and anyone making money out of dating advices disapear.

4-As for your last question: What about no?Youll just be short of another good member.
 

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Originally posted by Dust 2 Dust
I was just wondering if the mods or Allen actually screen any of the articles that appear on the front page of this site. I feel that some of this advice is terrible and should be deleted from this board.

For example,

http://www.sosuave.com/home/redfield/bryan23c.htm


HOLY CRAP!

Man I was thinkin this post was BS at first..but when i clicked on the link just for the hell of it i was AGHAST.

"When it's time for your final parting of the date, ask her simply and nicely, "May I give you a kiss goodnight?" If you're in your car, your dialogue can go like this: "Would you like me to walk you to your door?" If she says yes, walk her to her door. When you get to the door, ask, "May I give you a kiss goodnight?"

I thought this was some sort of joke or something...this is ridiculous.
 

Men frequently err by talking too much. They often monopolize conversations, droning on and on about topics that bore women to tears. They think they're impressing the women when, in reality, they're depressing the women.

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Re: Re: AFC articles on sosuave.com

Originally posted by WORKEROUTER
HOLY CRAP!

Man I was thinkin this post was BS at first..but when i clicked on the link just for the hell of it i was AGHAST.

"When it's time for your final parting of the date, ask her simply and nicely, "May I give you a kiss goodnight?" If you're in your car, your dialogue can go like this: "Would you like me to walk you to your door?" If she says yes, walk her to her door. When you get to the door, ask, "May I give you a kiss goodnight?"

I thought this was some sort of joke or something...this is ridiculous.
Although I disagree with the advice and think that the Redfield System is excellent for those of you chasing cock, his POV is shared by more respectable PUAs. Mystery has a "kiss test" where you ask the chick "do you want to kiss me?" and if she says no you say "I didn't say you could kiss me. I simply asked if you wanted to, you're giving me a lot of eyecontact and its making the situation uncomfortable."
 

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Re: A Moderator's Humble Opinion....

Originally posted by Survivor
That's your job. Unlike seducingwomen101 or mASF, this site isn't centralized towards only one school of thought when it comes to women and relationships.
Actually, Survivor, there is a practically immeasurable number of different schools of thought being represented on mASF. I will say, however, that both sosuave and mASF seem to have become more diverse in the material being discussed in the time I have been in the community. In the past Sosuave was primarily Doc Love/Anti-Dump and mASF was primarily Mystery Method.

As for the article discussed and whether it is or is not AFC, I think it is important to consider the overall message of the article and who the audience is.

One of the main characteristics of an AFC is to believe that women owe you something. For example, the frustration that stems from being denied a kiss or sex from a woman after a date. The author is trying to get guys to let go of seeing dates as something to "do for" women so that they will "owe" him sex or affection because of it. He could have been a little clearer in explaining that the idea is to get the woman WANTING to kiss you rather than OWING you affection, but I know that's what he was thinking.

I do think it's a little weak to say "may I give you a kiss goodnight". You should just be able to tell when it's appropriate to go in for a kiss. But if the guy is inexperienced and not quite able to tell if to kiss the woman is going to be appropriate, then I guess asking would be okay. In other words...you should really not HAVE to ask but if you are at the level where if you don't ask you don't get, by all means ask.
 

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Originally posted by Survivor
ISo, you would rather have SoSuave turn into a pay site, right?...:(
No, but at the same time I wouldn't like to see it posting inconsistent advice based on who's willing to pay the most at the time to have their advice posted. Not saying that they're doing that HERE, but in the Internet world, it DOES sometimes happen.
 

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This is a public forum, and censorship of ideas is completely wrong in a public forum. That's the bottom line. Right or wrong, you have a right to voice your opinion, and just because the mods may not agree, that's no reason for your post to be deleted.

I see only two reasons to delete a post. One, if you insult any of the other posters for their opinions, or two, if you post specifically with the intention of lowering the quality of the forum i.e. making stupid comments like, "To gets all the biznitches you gots to drop your pants and whip out that big old love hose, and yell "'Touch me in the good place baby."'

Once we have to begin evaluating content, we limit this forum to only those opinions held by the moderators on what is best for seducing women. If Allen believes that phone conversations are bunk, and men should never use the phone, he may decide to delete any posts that encourage the opposite, thereby limiting the potential of the forum.
 

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Originally posted by UltimateScoundrel
This is a public forum, and censorship of ideas is completely wrong in a public forum. That's the bottom line. Right or wrong, you have a right to voice your opinion, and just because the mods may not agree, that's no reason for your post to be deleted.
Ergh...see, that's the thing. It's NOT a "public forum" if the person who pays the bills doesn't want it to be. And there's nothing you can do about that except post here and complain or go somewhere else if you don't like it.

"Right and wrong" are irrelevant in a place like this. When you sign up here, if you post on this site, you agree to the terms the moderator sets forth. And those can be subject to change without notice.

You can only hope that the moderator/owner of the forum DOES want to keep the forum "public" and DOESN'T want to randomly change policies without notice based on a whim (or the whim of someone who pays to keep the site running). But if so, there ain't much you can do about it.
 

Peace and Quiet

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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