I apologize ahead of time for the length but my situation requires some explaining in order to get advice.
Ok well to start, although this is my first post, I have been around reading the bible and threads on this board for quite some time. I have definiately dramatically improved but am still a work in progress. So I thought I would make this thread so I could gather advice on not only how to improve certain areas of my game but also how to deal with a situation I am in with a girl I am currently talking to. I will highlight my strengths and weaknesses to help you guys understand me and help you guys help me.
My strengths include good to very good conversational skills. I have frequently been described as anywhere from funny, to the funniest person they know. I have a fairly large group of friends both men and women. I would consider myself average in the looks department. I have been described as built but I could lose 10 to 15 pounds or so. I would say I am confident and have little to no fear of approaching most women and starting conversation for the most part. So far your probably thinking that my life should be great and I should have no problems until you read my weaknesses. First of all my major weakness is that I have absolutely no problem making friends with girls and getting them to love me and call me to go out with them, yet most of them I would like for more than that. I probably have 15-20 girls that absolutely love me and beg me to hang out or go out with them, yet I know I am friendzoned. Secondly I severely lack experience in kinesthetics, and esclation from touching to kissing and then more.
I have been trying to analyze myself but it might be easier to find a solution to this problem with the boards help. I know that I need to show the new girls I meet that I want them sexually and not just for friends yet I am having a difficult time doing that since I am unexperienced in that area since in the past I always ended up going about it the wrong way and becoming friends. I know that kinesthetics should be a focus for this. However my question then I guess is how fast and how much kino should I use say when I first meet them. I know its judge by the situation, but for those of you who are better at this, how aggressive and how quickly(first 5 minutes, first date, ect?) do you apply kino and what levels(arm touching, leg touching, ect.). Also any other tips that can be used to make damn sure that a girl I meet will realize I don't want to be her friend.
Part 2:
Ok now for specifics. I am still a work in progress obviously, however I have had some success here and there recently. So let me describe my situation with this girl I met about a month ago, and you guys can tell me what you think I should do.
I met HB7 in an assigned group we had outside of college class(we didn't pick groups, its an online class). I am put in a rough situation because we have had to work on a class project while I still try to game her. After first meeting, I go over to her house by here invitation but its only to work on our part of the project. I had her laughing and having a good time so I asked her to be my date for fraternity pre-valentines semi-formal party. Date went amazing, ended with both of us being a little too drunk and the person who was driving us couldn't find my house so she offered to let me sleep at her house. She initially said I could sleep in the guest room, but I joked that I she had enough room in her bed, and she laughed and said sure. We didn't do much but kind of cuddle/hug/talk, even though looking back I obviously should have escalated and I know I am idiot for not doing so. Other than that though the date went about as good as a date can go.
After this we had a second date lined up, but she had to cancel for what I know 100% was a legitimate excuse. Her interest level seemed to me to be high, but she said that we should wait to continue our dating until our group project was over, so avoid any drama that might unfold from dating and our group, plus this was 2 weeks before spring break and I wanted to do my own thing completely and not worry about her so I agreed, while trying to make it sound like my idea so it wouldn't seem as if I was giving her the power over the situation.
Well our group project ended a week ago. After the last day I told her we should do something that week. We discussed days and found that the only time that was available for both of us was that night. So she invited me over for dinner. However I didn't know what to expect, because we basically had to remain professional/friendly for about 3 weeks for our project. Turned out dinner involved her roomates too, so it wasn't what I hoped for, and I having a very hard to moving the conversation from friendly, to basically more than friendly and initiating kino because of the roomates being in the room during and after dinner.
I know that I need to escalate the kino otherwise each time we meet without more aggressive kino the more awkward it will become and I will be friend-zoned if I haven't already. During the course of the project and before our first date, she showed at least moderate interest level by always promptly returning my calls and I made sure I never called her more than once ever 2-3 days. In fact recently she has been calling me or texting me about the project. However its mixed signals. I am the only one she calls about the project and each conversation starts with project, but quickly segways almost immediately to something fun or just asking me how I am doing or what I did last night, ect. This is where I need some advice. Am I looking to far into this and she truly is just being friendly while talking about the project, or is she using that as an excuse to talk to me and find out stuff about me. Is this a commen game that women play in order to not seem needy while still calling to just talk or am I looking to far into this.
So I saw her today for the very final culmination of the project, and I applied some like incidental kino such as light arm touching and such. When I said bye to her I made sure to give her a pretty tight hug. Overall every time I have seen her or talked to her I have been ****y and funny, and have not been a doormat and jokingly put her in place a few times, all the while keeping her laughing her ass off and we always have great chemistry.
So basically I guess to sum it all up, I need advice in the following areas. Has this girl already friend-zoned me by saying she didn't want to date until our project was finished. If she didn't is there anybody who has experience with going from dating to having to be professional, then back to dating again. What can I do now to make it perfectly clear that I want to move back to a more than friends and go back to a dating sexual relationship.
Also from Part 1 advice needed: How aggressive should I be with kino. Do I basically escalate until its obvious the girl is protesting the escalation with her body language? Or do I wait until her body langauge suggests that I escalate? With this girl how strong and quickly should I escalate. I mean I know her fairly well enough in the past month or so that I should be able to fairly aggressive, yet we had to remain completely professional for the middle 2 or 3 weeks, so how far should I take it and what should I look for to make sure she is not objecting since I have stated I am unexperienced in this area.
Lastly but probably most importantly, when I ask her out on the next date, what should say or how should I say it to make it completely clear that its a date and not a hangout with just her and me as friends. Basically whats the best way to make it known that since the project is over we can go back to dating and that we haven't just become friends.
Thank you for whoever read my extremely long post, and any and all advice is greatly appreciated.
Ok well to start, although this is my first post, I have been around reading the bible and threads on this board for quite some time. I have definiately dramatically improved but am still a work in progress. So I thought I would make this thread so I could gather advice on not only how to improve certain areas of my game but also how to deal with a situation I am in with a girl I am currently talking to. I will highlight my strengths and weaknesses to help you guys understand me and help you guys help me.
My strengths include good to very good conversational skills. I have frequently been described as anywhere from funny, to the funniest person they know. I have a fairly large group of friends both men and women. I would consider myself average in the looks department. I have been described as built but I could lose 10 to 15 pounds or so. I would say I am confident and have little to no fear of approaching most women and starting conversation for the most part. So far your probably thinking that my life should be great and I should have no problems until you read my weaknesses. First of all my major weakness is that I have absolutely no problem making friends with girls and getting them to love me and call me to go out with them, yet most of them I would like for more than that. I probably have 15-20 girls that absolutely love me and beg me to hang out or go out with them, yet I know I am friendzoned. Secondly I severely lack experience in kinesthetics, and esclation from touching to kissing and then more.
I have been trying to analyze myself but it might be easier to find a solution to this problem with the boards help. I know that I need to show the new girls I meet that I want them sexually and not just for friends yet I am having a difficult time doing that since I am unexperienced in that area since in the past I always ended up going about it the wrong way and becoming friends. I know that kinesthetics should be a focus for this. However my question then I guess is how fast and how much kino should I use say when I first meet them. I know its judge by the situation, but for those of you who are better at this, how aggressive and how quickly(first 5 minutes, first date, ect?) do you apply kino and what levels(arm touching, leg touching, ect.). Also any other tips that can be used to make damn sure that a girl I meet will realize I don't want to be her friend.
Part 2:
Ok now for specifics. I am still a work in progress obviously, however I have had some success here and there recently. So let me describe my situation with this girl I met about a month ago, and you guys can tell me what you think I should do.
I met HB7 in an assigned group we had outside of college class(we didn't pick groups, its an online class). I am put in a rough situation because we have had to work on a class project while I still try to game her. After first meeting, I go over to her house by here invitation but its only to work on our part of the project. I had her laughing and having a good time so I asked her to be my date for fraternity pre-valentines semi-formal party. Date went amazing, ended with both of us being a little too drunk and the person who was driving us couldn't find my house so she offered to let me sleep at her house. She initially said I could sleep in the guest room, but I joked that I she had enough room in her bed, and she laughed and said sure. We didn't do much but kind of cuddle/hug/talk, even though looking back I obviously should have escalated and I know I am idiot for not doing so. Other than that though the date went about as good as a date can go.
After this we had a second date lined up, but she had to cancel for what I know 100% was a legitimate excuse. Her interest level seemed to me to be high, but she said that we should wait to continue our dating until our group project was over, so avoid any drama that might unfold from dating and our group, plus this was 2 weeks before spring break and I wanted to do my own thing completely and not worry about her so I agreed, while trying to make it sound like my idea so it wouldn't seem as if I was giving her the power over the situation.
Well our group project ended a week ago. After the last day I told her we should do something that week. We discussed days and found that the only time that was available for both of us was that night. So she invited me over for dinner. However I didn't know what to expect, because we basically had to remain professional/friendly for about 3 weeks for our project. Turned out dinner involved her roomates too, so it wasn't what I hoped for, and I having a very hard to moving the conversation from friendly, to basically more than friendly and initiating kino because of the roomates being in the room during and after dinner.
I know that I need to escalate the kino otherwise each time we meet without more aggressive kino the more awkward it will become and I will be friend-zoned if I haven't already. During the course of the project and before our first date, she showed at least moderate interest level by always promptly returning my calls and I made sure I never called her more than once ever 2-3 days. In fact recently she has been calling me or texting me about the project. However its mixed signals. I am the only one she calls about the project and each conversation starts with project, but quickly segways almost immediately to something fun or just asking me how I am doing or what I did last night, ect. This is where I need some advice. Am I looking to far into this and she truly is just being friendly while talking about the project, or is she using that as an excuse to talk to me and find out stuff about me. Is this a commen game that women play in order to not seem needy while still calling to just talk or am I looking to far into this.
So I saw her today for the very final culmination of the project, and I applied some like incidental kino such as light arm touching and such. When I said bye to her I made sure to give her a pretty tight hug. Overall every time I have seen her or talked to her I have been ****y and funny, and have not been a doormat and jokingly put her in place a few times, all the while keeping her laughing her ass off and we always have great chemistry.
So basically I guess to sum it all up, I need advice in the following areas. Has this girl already friend-zoned me by saying she didn't want to date until our project was finished. If she didn't is there anybody who has experience with going from dating to having to be professional, then back to dating again. What can I do now to make it perfectly clear that I want to move back to a more than friends and go back to a dating sexual relationship.
Also from Part 1 advice needed: How aggressive should I be with kino. Do I basically escalate until its obvious the girl is protesting the escalation with her body language? Or do I wait until her body langauge suggests that I escalate? With this girl how strong and quickly should I escalate. I mean I know her fairly well enough in the past month or so that I should be able to fairly aggressive, yet we had to remain completely professional for the middle 2 or 3 weeks, so how far should I take it and what should I look for to make sure she is not objecting since I have stated I am unexperienced in this area.
Lastly but probably most importantly, when I ask her out on the next date, what should say or how should I say it to make it completely clear that its a date and not a hangout with just her and me as friends. Basically whats the best way to make it known that since the project is over we can go back to dating and that we haven't just become friends.
Thank you for whoever read my extremely long post, and any and all advice is greatly appreciated.
