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I've noticed when I look in the mirror, that it looks like I am developing a six-pack. When I flex my abdominal muscles, it's even more noticeable. However, only when the light hits it just right. It seems to disappear when I step out of it.

My current ab routine is two sets of 30 crunches and reverse crunches. My abs start to feel sore after the second set of regular crunches, so they seem to be doing their job, although I'm not sure what good the reverse crunches are doing. But I do them anyway just in case.

So have I gone as far as I can go with these exercises? Or should I keep doing what I'm doing and expect them to become further defined? Of course I'm trying to build muscle overall, but since I've heard that abs are among the hardest muscles to develop, I'm curious as to whether I'm doing it right.
 

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Remember, with any workout, you'll hit a plateu and you will eventually stop seeing results. It looks like you've just about hit your plateu. What to do now? Change it up.

There are so many theories regarding ab workouts through the years. One magazine will say one thing in January, then by December, they will totally contradict themselves.

With that said, my advice comes with a grain of salt. My genetics aren't the greatest, both parents are overweight and adhere to a strict diet of heavily pan fried asian foods. But, through a lot of reading and trial/error, I manage a nice 8 pack through this routine.

* Diet - 1650-1800 Calories a day. No more than 20 grams fat. Period.

I'm not too worried about carbs, sugars, protein. I've found if I control fat and calorie intake, the carbs, sugars, and protein take care of themselves. I'm not a big protein shake or egg whites guy anymore, I found that I get plenty of protein from the food I eat throughout the day.

Low carb diets - Forget about em. They're made for obese, lazy, never go to the gym house wives. Drop your carbs too low, and your workouts will suffer. I rarely count carbs, but, I try to stay away from pastas, rice, grains, and white breads.

If your diet sucks, you can do a million crunches a day, you'll end up with strong abs surrounded by an inner-tube of lard.

* I run 3 miles at 7 MPH - Usually 24-25 minutes. I do this to get the muscles warmed up and build a negative calorie defecit.

* After the run, here is the ab routine:
1) 4 sets 25 reps of regular crunches with no more than 45 seconds rest in between sets
2) Jack-knife oblique crunches 4 sets 25 reps per left and right side with no rest. Alternate 25 reps right, then 25 sets left...etc.
3) Hanging leg lifts - 3 sets 25 reps with no more than 45 seconds rest between sets.

Usually takes only 15 mintues to complete.

* I run another 3 miles at 6.2-7.0 MPH - Usually 28-29 minutes. While I run, I keep my abs tight by squeezing/flexing throughout the run.

Please note that I intentionally include cardio as necessary to the ab work out as any of the crunch exercises. Your mentality should automatically include cardio to reduce waistline. Running at least 20 minutes at a moderately high rate should be as important as one ab crunch. Your abs will work harder and stay tighter throughout the day if you add cardio before and after the crunch sets.

This is my ab "maintenance" workout which I do 4 times a week. I don't do weighted ab crunches because I am looking for a more lean "cut-up" waistline, rather, than being built and over muscular. Understand that this is my "maintenance" ab routine. It took me lots of hours in the gym to get to this point. Take it a step at a time. Once you hit another plateu, add another rep, run a little faster, change the order of the ab exercises.

The theory of my ab workout came from a trainer who said that abs should be treated like a piece of steak you are trying to sear. Work them hard, fast, and explosive - rather than through long hard heavy sets. The abs must stay tight throughout the workout.

My two-cents. Feel free to flame my workout - I had no problems taking my shirt off and walking around the beach during my last trip to Daytona Florida.
 
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your diet is infinitely more important than a specific ab routine. If you're not cut enough, you can kill yourself with ab work, but you'll never see'em.

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Also take note that the bigger your abs the easier they're going to be seen. If you want big pecs do you pump your arms up and down 30 times while laying flat on a bench? I didn't think so. Grab a weight and hug it to your chest then do your crunches.
 

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Originally posted by Phrozen
Grab a weight and hug it to your chest then do your crunches.
Wrong! if you have any fat whatsoever it will make you look fatter. as your abs grow they will push the fat ******ds making you look fatter. Great abs are made in the kitchen, get a diet going.
 

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wtf

you can't say out-wards, oops i didn't read all the post my mistake. i thought you were a fatty.
 

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i found a killer way to work the obliques! I was at the gym and I started doin oblique crunches (crunches to the side as opposed to str8) on one of those big resistance balls, and it seems to target the obliques like no other exercise I've done
 

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Originally posted by Phrozen
Also take note that the bigger your abs the easier they're going to be seen. If you want big pecs do you pump your arms up and down 30 times while laying flat on a bench? I didn't think so. Grab a weight and hug it to your chest then do your crunches.
Nahh bro...if you aren't a pro-circuit lifter and are rather concerned about having lean-cut abs, then working your abs like working your arms is the wrong way to go.

If you work your abs like your pecs, then weighted crunches will make your abs thick, giving you the appearance of a thick (fat) waistline. Keeping the abs tight, rather than exerted by short heavy reps, is the way to go.

Higher reps, less weight is the key to a tight stomach.

Think about it for a second. Why would you want to do weighted crunches or oblique sets? Unless you have 5% or less body fat, the growing muscle for short, heavyweight ab sets will expand that fat and give you a "buff fat" look - where you have a belly, but, can still see the ab muscles pushing out. Check out most NFL linemen. They have incredibly strong ab muscles, but, none of them will be posing without their shirt off in a GQ magazine anytime soon. Other example is Mark Henry of WWE wrestling. He's incredibly strong, you can see his abs underneath his wrestling tights, but, he has a belly.

Albeit, weighted sets "maybe" beneficial if your body fat percentage is low or you are trying to pass a workout plateu.

Other than those occassions, keep the heavy iron for the chest, arms, shoulders, back, and legs. Build a good upperbody with heavy weights, and you'll have a chest/shoulder to waist ratio that will automatically make you look lean.
 

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bump to my above post.

Here's a picture of World Strong Man Bill Kazmaier. A perfect example of the "buff-fat" look that heavy weighted ab workouts can do if you have enough fat around your midsection.

http://www.mcshane-enterprises.com/PB/pics4/kaz9.JPG

This isn't the look I'm after. Check out his obliques and rectus ab. I'm sure those muscles are strong as hell. Heck, you can still see the definition of his six pack, but, those abs are pushing his midsection fat and making him look "buff-fat".

He doesn't look anything like Jean Claude Van Dam (in his prime) or Bruce Lee. The look the above mentioned workout helps me attain.
 

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Originally posted by Microphone Fiend
i found a killer way to work the obliques! I was at the gym and I started doin oblique crunches (crunches to the side as opposed to str8) on one of those big resistance balls, and it seems to target the obliques like no other exercise I've done

MICROPHONE!!
i had that in my new bulkin routine today.. but it felt like it was workin my lats..wtf???

argh.. i will try them again next week.. i just did side to side crunches for obliques for today.. actually wait i do abs monday and friday... so i guess ill try again friday ;p
got any advice for them tho?

btw leg pull ins rock for abs!!
 

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I don't think I have to worry about getting fat just yet. I am currently around 120 pounds. I've been trying to bulk up--not easy though. It stinks being the skinniest guy at the gym.

I've been trying to eat healthier too, more fruits and vegetables, and I try to watch my fat intake (I think I'm doing OK). I've been drinking protein shakes (kind of necessary when you're a vegetarian) as well as weight gainer shakes (yes, I decided to try it out). I do 30 minutes of cardio three times a week. I know some people may argue that I shouldn't be doing any, but I would think the workers and trainers at the gym know what they are talking about. Last time I had a body fat analysis (which was about a month ago, I believe), my body fat had stayed the same (8.4%), yet I had gained 3 pounds of muscle. But I still look pretty skinny.

So as far as abs go, I'm hearing I should either use weights or increase reps with no weights. I guess it's up to me to decide.
 
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reverse crunches work a little more the bottom part of your ab rack. Especially when you focus on squeezing that area at the top and add a slight hip raise upwards.

you might consider adding side crunches to your mix once a week to work the love handle area without building the muscle there.
 

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About the "hanging leg lifts"

Everyone at my gym raises their knees only, but that is too easy for me. So I lift the whole leg (so I have an L shape) for 3 sets of 10.

It hurts right at the end.

My question is: is it unsafe to lift your whole leg, or do people just do the knee because their abs are jello?
 
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