A Massive Misnoma

[Sart]

I loved the Uhl version of "Fight Club" and thought the movie was brilliant. Based on observing some threads in here however I thought I would add my 2 cents worth.

1. You ARE the car you drive.
2. You ARE the clothes you wear
3. You ARE the job you have (money you make)
and
4. You ARE the physical appearance you create.

Great movie, but exactly wrong, completely wrong. If you are fat, ugly, have no money and drive a piece of crap and live in a dirty poor environment, you will have troubles in EVERY aspect of life.

Get a better car, get better clothes, lose weight and access dough and it will help. It will help with women but will also help indirectly because on an onconscious level, YOU will respect YOU a lot more.

 

[rgeere]

Your right, I've discovered the same thing myself...

People like to talk about fight club around here because it's a man's movie.

This is all good ... But when you think about it the principles are actually quite ANTI-DJ ...

Beating the crap out of your self isn't the best way to learn anything about life.

 

[Dukester]

you also need to have drive in your life. drive is what gets you all those things. then you get confidence, and are happy, which makes everything great.

see my thread on "confidence is the key" it's in dj tips

 

[AlwaysExcel]

Well, yes and no. All those things are symbols and results of your value (being responsible enough to hold down a job, being smart enough to have a lucrative career, having style, etc). That's why they are important as a DJ. They should be in your life as a RESULT of who you are inside. These things convey your value to others.

On the other hand, those trappings aren't necessary at all because they are merely a result of your strong inner game. People get caught up in pursuing things instead of pursuing themselves. It's putting the cart before the horse and so is a infinite cycle of unhappiness and meaninglessness. That's what Fight Club was trying to say.

Also, the power of your trappings and outer image really depends on how much power you give them. If you truly do not believe that living in a phat crib matters, then living in a cardboard box will not make you depressed (affect your inner game). When Tyler Durden of the movie rejected the value of a lifestyle society determined as good FOR him, he improved his life because his value was no longer dependant on physical things. His life was in fact hindered by pursuit of schtuff. He lived in a shyt box but his personality and path were so intensely strong from pursuing and gaining value within himself that he attracted people like crazy despite his lack of possessions.

Speaking of not having a nice house, I think there's an alleged heavyweight pick up artist on mASF who lives in a tent and pulls mad girls back to his tent!! LOL! It's all about conveying inner game without the use of possessions. I recently met someone like this who was dressed extremely plain for the wildly peacocked event I was at, yet his sheer energy was more magnetic than the craziest costume I saw. I think you're stronger if your value is not tied to possessions because possessions are so temporary and fragile.

It's true that most of us have strong psychological connection to trappings because we are so conditioned to identify them with value. So improving our lives on the outside (clothes, weight, job, car) does help us feel better on the inside and attracts other people...to a point. I've never experienced it carrying the day though. Physical things aren't strong enough to make me overcome my deep seated fears. Who here has put on a money shirt and then automatically had NO fear approaching?? And if you did, what happened to your faith in your shirt the first time you got shot down? If you're a puzzy and have all the best things, you're still a puzzy. Like this forum is constantly preaching, inner game is key!

Ok, I'm starting to feel like a keyboard jockey. DAMN the lure of forums!
Peace

 

[Soma]

Speaking of not having a nice house, I think there's an alleged heavyweight pick up artist on mASF who lives in a tent and pulls mad girls back to his tent!! LOL!

That would be Xaneus.

 

[cannibustacap]

Fight Club is in a totally different realm then DJ. Fight Club said "We are raised by women, why is another woman in our life an answer"

Fight Club was about giving up morality (The bane of society) and adopt the true human predatorial values. A value system made up of no values other than help your brother in need.

Comparing DJ and Fight Club is like apples and oranges. They are from two different worlds. Sure, they could be made up of AFC's, but the fact is AFC is just our comedy term for a guy who doesn't know how to deal with women properly, which is everyone but us almost.

 

[cannibustacap]

Originally posted by Sart

1. You ARE the car you drive.
2. You ARE the clothes you wear
3. You ARE the job you have (money you make)
and
4. You ARE the physical appearance you create.

Arrg, I completely disagree. You are what your minds makes you out to be. If you are defined by superficial things like cars, clothes, and jobs then

You ARE the product of People Magazine and all that other ****.

That is all

(My opinion of course)

 

[cannibustacap]

Originally posted by Sart

Great movie, but exactly wrong, completely wrong. If you are fat, ugly, have no money and drive a piece of crap and live in a dirty poor environment, you will have troubles in EVERY aspect of life.

Get a better car, get better clothes, lose weight and access dough and it will help. It will help with women but will also help indirectly because on an onconscious level, YOU will respect YOU a lot more.

You are what you think. If you need all that material crap to feel confident, then that really sucks for you. What will you do when you are down and out?

EVERYONE is different at their subconscious level. There are DJ's who aren't rich or blessed with good lucks and all that other **** and they get lots of HB's.

Watch Fight Club again. I had to watch it twice to really understand. And think beyond DJ. Think about who you really are at a primordial, instinctive level. What if all the cities of the world disappeared, and we had to go back to hunting. How would you survive? Would the true Alpha in you come out?

 

[Scought]

First of all UCLA sucks. Second, the movie was about letting go of all this nonsense. The idea of pain, money, all that. Thats why Durden pours that acid on that guys hand. and wont let go, til he gets a grip and truly feels.

SOmewhere in the movie, they say, soon your stuff starts to own you. So true. SO, once you truly let go and be yourself, face and overcome adversity its good.

Its true also that you dont knjow what you are capable of until you have had to fight for yourself, or something really important.
IT opens you up and shows you what you are about.

 

[Sart]

mmmm but

Hey I loved the book, I ve read most his stuff and the screenplay did the book justice. The thing is, if you pursue being the best you can be, success will follow. I mean we choose nearly everything we buy based on emotion. Even the brand of ciggies you smoke is an emotional decision. We are smack in the middle of a consumer society, nearly everything we purchase is based on an emotional decision.

The second step then comes down to what we can afford.

Tyler was very disturbed obviously and was bucking against life and particularly consumerism, he wanted to return to the basic male. Of course his dream basic make was Brad Pitt, the ultimate diesigner good looks and masculine appearance. A man who is, in himself, a consumer good. This kind of came through in the book as well.

So, with your budget you choose what you will drive, wear, eat and live based on what??? Emotion! Ayrgo, emotion = YOU!

You ARE the car you drive. A fat guy says, "I can't get any" Your reponse is "Lose weight". Similarly a guy comes in here and says, "I live in a 15 sq meter apt, I wear K Mart clothes, I drive a beat up Combie van, I have dirty dreads and I am poor". Your advice wouldn't be, "Well, you are a winner within...go forth and multiply" Your response would be, "Get your **** together dude, then we can talk"

 

[CLOONEY]

Originally posted by AlwaysExcel

Speaking of not having a nice house, I think there's an alleged heavyweight pick up artist on mASF who lives in a tent and pulls mad girls back to his tent!! LOL!

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

 

[CLOONEY]

Maslows heirarchy of needs would agree with you sart, as would I.

Humans talk all this philosophical talk, try to fight against being materialistic, blah blah. It is ok to be materialistic and research would suggets that it is human instinct to judge yourself and gain SOME of your self-confidence by such things. Of course there is a limit to this i.e. u cant become obsessed with it.

That tent sh*t still cracks me up!! LOL. I can just see the girls face when he says, "here is my house". (and in my imagination the tent is one of those tiny teepee two man tents). LOL.

 

[AlwaysExcel]

Clooney, I believe he asks them, "wanna go camping ?" ROFLOL!!!!

 

[AMF]

Originally posted by AlwaysExcel
Well, yes and no. All those things are symbols and results of your value

The point is, these things are EQUALLY a shaper of your identity and self-concept as they are the product. Structuralism.