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A little cuddling, holding hands, but no kiss?

Abcd

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I had a confusing date last night. The girl liked me, but was pretty hesitant to get physical. We cuddled a little during a movie, but she went for a hug at the end of the night. I'm trying to decide what happened / what to do.

I typed the whole thing out below as much for me to read it as for you. Give me your oppinion if you have time to read a few long paragraphs.

Confusing Date: <The scene opens on a freezing cold night at a big Midwestern university> We went to dinner. It was a good, long conversation, things went pretty well. We talked about life, relationships, plans, goals, etc. Then we took the bus to a concert. It was virtually empty! I guess the brutal cold (0 degrees) and poorly-known band was a fatal combination. But we found a table towards the back to chill at, and spent a bit of time talking about how empty the place was. After a few songs I moved over to her side of the booth and put my arm around her sort of. Since I had her trapped, I gave her an out by asking if she’d rather stand. She said she was fine. After a few minutes though, she asked if we could “stay for one more song?” I didn’t know whether to take this as “I want out” or “Lets go back and make out in your room.” I called a cab, which came in about 20 minutes.

We went back to my apartment and watched Annie Hall, which I had rented earlier. I sat down next to her and told her that I had a comfortable lap, hint, hint. She got the hint but said “I’ll keep that in mind.” I’m like, okay, well obviously she doesn’t want much physical contact for whatever reason. She did just get out of a relationship (like me), so I wouldn't be surprised if she wanted to stay away from a makeout session on the first date. So I refrained from putting my arm around her. But we were sitting very close together in the middle of the couch, and half way through the movie I realized she was really turned towards me and leaning in my direction. She mentioned that it was cold in the room (hint, hint?) So I tightened the window up and came back to put my arm around her. I was like “how’s that” and she’s like “that’s fine.” So I figured she’d want a kiss - I leaned in pretty smoothly (leaving myself an exit strategy) but she didn’t turn her head. She just kinda smiled and giggled, looking straight at the screen. So I gave her a nose rub on the side of the head and went back to watching the movie, hand in hand with her. That was basically the extent of our physical contact. I’m typing this out mainly because I’m still trying to figure out what she was thinking. If she didn't want to cuddle, she could have easily just leaned away a little bit. Instead her head was always close to mine. But she obviously didn't want to do much more than hold hands.

We got pretty bored after the movie and ended up going back to her dorm room. Her roommate is an old aquaintance of mine, known best as the hottest girl at my high school. By today’s standards I guess she’s barely a babe, but back in high school she was hot stuff. I waited for the others to leave the room and then told my date I was leaving. Stood up, and of course I’m expecting at least a peck on the lips after that cuddling, but I got a hug!? I was really pretty surprised and it felt bad. She went for the hug, maybe I could have converted it to a kiss, but it would have been forced.

I guess there are two options: One, this girl just doesn’t kiss on the first date. Two, she thought I was cool enough to hang out with but not boyfriend material or anything. I’m just pretty confused, because if she didn’t want anything to happen she could have just leaned slightly away from me during the movie. Instead she was right up against me leaning in. But I know no kiss at the end is a bad, bad sign. I told her I’d “see her in chem” (which is another story in itself) and she was like “yeah we’ll do this again sometime, and next time start later so we have stuff to do” or something along those lines. So maybe she really does want to go out again, or maybe it was just the standard “We’ll do this again sometime” bull**** with extra bull**** tacked on.

This girl is amazingly beautiful, and she’s such a complicated, hip chick. I hope she gives me a chance. I’m really bummed out that all I got out of the night was some cuddling, but hey maybe she’s just a super-prude classy girl. That’s cool with me. But she's also super confusing.

So what do I do? I can ask her out again next weekend, but to tell you the truth we used up just about all the cool stuff this campus has to offer on the first date. It's winter, and we don't have cars. I was hoping the second date could be as simple as "come to my room and make out." But it's not shaping up that way. There are lots of cute chicks I could move on to (not nearly as awesome as this one, but cute nonetheless) so I really just want to know what she's up for without taking weeks to do it. I guess I just go out with her one more time and see if I get to kiss her? I really don't want to spend another date with this girl if it's going to come to naught though, since it just makes me feel bad walking away from a night confused.
 

ManOMan

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maybe she doesnt kiss on the first date (like the Rules for women says)

maybe you had bad breath?

trying to force a kiss can be awkward, you have to just do it without thinking about it

go out with her one more time
 

Abcd

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What is this "Rules for women?" Seems like you're just asking for trouble by not kissing on the first date. If it hadn't been for the cuddling, I wouldn't have even thought about calling her again.

Here's my Rules for women: Not kissing a guy at the door is way too risky if you want him to ask you out again, ladies. We're not going to think you're a slut if you accept a little peck for christsakes
 

ManOMan

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The Rules is a book written by women (do a search, there is a thread about it here somewhere)

It says "never kiss a man on a first date"

The idea is to keep the men curious and confused, and going NUTS trying to find out if the girl likes him

it seems to be working on you
 

squirrels

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Relax.

:)

You can't expect every girl to want to f**k on the nth date...they're all different. If you wanna get in her pants as quickly as possible, consider some speed-seduction stuff or something.

One thing I noticed is it seems like even though you're doing the right things, you're hesitating and waiting to see how she responds, as if you're unsure of yourself. Don't be. Don't try so hard to win her favor with your actions...just let YOU come through and let her decide whether she wants to give her favor to such an awesome guy or not.

Relax.
 

am4591

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What you should have done was go for a kiss before the date, if possible. If I don't get a kiss on the first date, I don't call her again. You might want to give this girl a second chance, but if it's a repeat of the first, why waste your time?
 

Abcd

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Thanks for reinforcing that squirrels, I defenitely try to follow your philosophy.

Still though, I think you are referring to my trying to give her an "out," as in asking if she'd rather stand, or making a move such that if she didn't want a kiss she wouldn't be forced. I do those things confidently, but with the knowledge that she's the type of girl who might want to take things slowly. I don't regret not pushing her on the date - it wouldn't have worked, and would have only made the situation seem weird. She can either take me or leave me, but I don't think making her uncomfortable is a good way to pursue a relationship. I handled myself well, and I don't think I came off as an unconfident guy or anything.
 
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