A Job in Sales can get you Laid

[Dongfu]

The system for selling retail is perfectly in line with how you need to sell women. Here is a 9 step retail sales system, and how it applies to pick-up.

1. Greet - What should you say?

2. Position - From where do you approach? Where do you want to reposition her?

3. Speak - What do you speak about now that you have her attention

4. Show - Demonstrations of value, social proof etc.

5. Tell - Le t her know what you're about, what skillz you have, etc.

6. Overcome - Overcome objections, last minute resistance

7. Nudge - Gently push, not force her in a direction she wants to go anyway. It's easy.

8. Add On - Get her to do more than she was originally willing to. You can add on her friends to the equation, or get her to perform in bed the way you want.

9. Befriend - The saying in retail is befriend in the end, after the sale. Women don't respect a needy nice guy. Customers will suspect you of sucking up.

When you work a sales job, you learn to ingrain this approach. You make it a habit, or you don't get paid. You also need to make this approach a habit if you want to get laid. Laid = Paid.

Furthermore, a sales job puts you in direct contact wit women, especially if you work in a popular retail clothes outlet. It's easy to work the system both for money and sex from the same customer.

In higher class retail outlets like art galleries and stores like Louis Vitton, you will meet women with money.

So consider a sales job and consolidate your time. Get laid and paid for the same effort.:rockon:

 

[speakeasy]

Yes, there's a perfect analogy between sales and girls. Without exception, I don't know one single who was good in sales but not good with girls. They go hand in hand.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

Yes, there's a perfect analogy between sales and girls. Without exception, I don't know one single who was good in sales but not good with girls. They go hand in hand.

I know hundreds, ok maybe 50+ of good-great salesmen who have little to no game. I've also worked with some of the $hitiest, laziest salesmen, who were able to consistently pull as4. What are you gonna do, pull the Ben Franklin close when you get $hit tested?

How about the porcupine, the tie down, the inverted tie down, the shoe on the other foot, the puppy dog close, etc.

Time for the fellows here to step up. How many of you are good to great salesmen, yet your game with women is not up to par and therefore are looking to improve it to the point where you can say "I am good with girls"?

 

[Dongfu]

Also, creating a good image is key in sales. This same image made me more attractive to women. I had to dress better, and I started working out. I got my hair cut at a salon. Also, I used facial cleanser every day. Big difference.

This is what I call Product Development.

Now, another great thing to consider is the relationship between the type of women you want to target, and the type of product you need to be to make the sale.

I have taken the best retail sales system, developed by Ron Martin, and niched it towards dating. The results are hilarious and effective. I have found it most effective to tell women in a playful manner that you are using the system on them. I like to have them guess what step I have them on. They eat that stuff up.

It is a neg of sorts let women know that you are in control of the sale. Then you can start to demonstrate that they need to prove to you that they are worthy of your services, not the other way around.:rockon:

It's all in my book, some of which you can read for free at the site

 

[backbreaker]

when I sold cars, I never had to go out. Women with bad credit used to fvck me thinking it would get them a car... at least 1 a month. then once i had an older divorced suggar mamma (and I freaking ripped her head off too) that used to kick it with me. she was cute with at least a Double D. doesn't mean I had game. in reality I didn't. that was pre this site.

You guys have no idea how true the movie suckers is. That movie was written by a true car salesman.

 

[lighthouse1956]

I never realy thought about it, I am an outside salesman, and 75% of my clients are female. I always thought this was because women like to talk and shop more than men.

 

[backbreaker]

you'd be surprised how many women go to car lots to get laid/find men.

think about it. A good salesman makes REAL good money, drives a nice car, most of them love to party and they think they can get a good deal in the process. I fvcked a doctors wife before when i was a salesman. She was HOT too.. a milf but I didn't care. for the love of the car deal baby.

some womens' fantasies are to suck car salesman off on a test drive in a 50k car.

I remember one day i sold 4 (yes 4, best sales day of my life) cars. Not only that, I got 2 phone numbers out the deal. I sold my first car 5 minutes after I walked though the door to a guy in service that was looking at a miata... we were just talking, i was still half asleep, and I said "man... you like that car?".. then I asked him just out of curiosity what he was paying a month...about 450ish for a Mazda 3 hatch. I told him if I could keep his payment the same, would he even be interested in the miata.. he said hell yeah.... the guy had a 805 beacon, brought his wife in, who was also in service, she had a 790. He was so excited about the deal he put 1500 down, traded the hatch, which had 1500 in equity (that he still doest' know about), and traded in a 00 crown vic that was paid off worth 1700, AND the car I sold had 4k dealer cash that he didn't know about or get. I took 500 dollars off the sticker to make him a good deal. 405 a month, 84x... $11,000 front end. My boss looked at the pencil when I came back and thought I said "good high pencil... I said "no.. that's what they want to do.. he was like "you gotta be ****ting me.. are you serious?.. I was like...uh.. yeah, what's the problem?.. he said to write it up as fast as I could and get them out the door" and mind you ihad no idea what we had in the car or nothing, I was still half sleep... he calls me to the tower and shows me the R&R screen..I thought I made some money, maybe 3-400 bucks, but not $3500 (30%). we eventually had to cut it back because we sold them too much car, I ended up making 2700.

So they leave and a cutie pie I had been dealing with had been bugging me about a used BLACK hatch back for under 15 grand.. and the car I just traded this guy out of was a 04 hatch with 11k miles. spotless. didn't even have to run it in the wash. Just took off the tags. which is impossible to find because they don't deprecate. however we only had 12k in this one so I gave her a call. Sold it for 13700 so I made $520 off it. That deal was done before she walked through the door. She took me out later that night. I thought she might have been a dyke.. she isn't

THEN i was heading out the door.. I made 4 grand already on the day. I kid you not, the hottest woman I have ever seen got out of a car, with this AFC looking guy. Girl had to be 6'0, nothing but ass, and it looked like you put too apples in her pants for an ass. Long Red hair, pretty feet, etc. I actually stopped to TALK to her, not sell her a car, and I promise you verbatim the words that came out her mouth were "we are looking to buy two cars today"

my manager spitted his drink out he was laughing so hard when he heard that. all the other guys were scared to approach them because 'she was hot'. i sold her a newer model of the car she had, and her husband a used dodge ram. I think I made a combined 600 bucks off them.. which i will take all day long. I ran into her about a week later at a club, got a couple of dances in and a couple of nice kisses as well. If I hadn't left arkansas I would probably still be tapping her.. god DAMN she is fine.

anyway, that's my best day as a salesman. that doesn't count the number ob BJ's I've gotten, free gifts, cash under the table, etc. There are some things I miss about the car business.

It's funny because we had the test drive and the....how do I say it... EXTENDED test drive route. The one that went in the boonies with no lights.. and the car came back with mud and dirt on it.. we pretty much knew the deal.

 

[Dongfu]

some womens' fantasies are to suck car salesman off on a test drive in a 50k car.

:rockon:

This is frickin hilarious - great story - one of my upcoming books will document how salesmen added on a piece of azz with the purchase.

Anyway, here's another interesting discovery I made. If you work in a sales business that deals with traveling and tourist customers, like an art gallery in a touristy town, etc., you have great opportunity to run the entire game on the client. Vacationers are open to spontaneous shopping possibilities.

Here is how a merchandise sale to a tourist girl can be transformed into a Mystery Method seduction plan.

The store is your C1 location - the meeting zone - as you talk about the merchandise, you also talk about you and her, where she's from, how long she'll be in town, and any other important intelligence.

The register can serve as a C2 location - WHile you are ringing up the sale, you speak a little more intimately - She trusts you if she's buying anything, so now you can suggest something fun to do in your area. Set it up so you will take her there. Maybe it's a place that the average tourist will not discover, and you just happen to like showing visitors a cool out of the way place.

Now you have set up your C3 location, still under the guise that you are just showing her a good time. Initiate Kino and set up the C4 and closing location.

Handle any objections just as you would at work. It's easy.

Best of all, she's leaving town soon so there are no further obligations.

 

[backbreaker]

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when I sold, I didn't know jack **** about half the **** I sold. i had other people pass my test for me. just talk to people. it's not that hard. talk about anything. sports, women, ass, clothes... just not about cars. Id' get a feel for what he was looking for in the car and show him that, just enough to wet his whistle then let him drive.. once I can get him or her to curse I knew I had a car deal, I got their defenses down. Then just hit em with the "laid back" sale..

Man..i'm not going to BS you... you ovbiously like the car, it's my job to sell you the car.. i'm pass that ****. what would it take for you to drive this car home.
they tell me, I hit em at about 50 bucks more per month and say "man....it' just 50 dollars... you like the car don't you.. I mean if youc an't afford it that's fine than you don't need it, but if you can... I mean I will see if I can knock 10 bucks a month off or something like that but... I lknow you aren' going to let that stop you from driving the car home.. plus we can go out later inyour new car.. i'm going to start doing the paperwork and I'll go ask my manager what i have to do to get the amount knocked down..... and they are there shaking their heads like little puppies while I am closing a 2 pound deal wihtout them knowing it. I never was the guy that sold 20-25 cars a month.. but the 13-14 a month i sold held hella gross. I sold 12 cars one month and I made 10 grand.

 

[Tha Realnezz]

Yeah but at best you'll make in high end stores like macy's and bloomy's you'll make 11 dollars an hour and that's part time.

On salary you make like 400-500.

Most people in retail make like 6-8.75 hourly and not even 30 hours a week.

Retail is for broads..

 

[Jariel]

I'm with you here. I had social phobia and panic attacks for many years, then I confronted my fear by taking a retail job. Nothing major, just a part time thing in a catalogue store.

It scared the hell out of me, but eventually I became a natural and talking to people became so easy, because I was doing it every day.

If anyone is looking to improve their social skills and looking for a little job on the side, I'd highly recommend a retail job.

 

[backbreaker]

I didn' twork retail.. i worked SALES.. car sales at that. don't confuse the two. I worked retail in high school at best buy. nothing alike

I remember my first day as a salesman I was scared ****less, and the guy I tried to sell a car to made fun of me. then we had this event called car wars down here and my boss made me go, and there was like 15k people there, and he told me if I didn't talk to at least 20 people a day on avg, I can find another job... needless tos ay, my problems appraoching customers and being agressive were gone by the end of the event. Never looked back as a salesman since.

then I went down to Florida for about 2 months to do tent sales with this group of old veterans and I went from scared=okay=agressive=I can't believe the salesman just did that. you had to. it was cut throat.

everyone should be in car sales for at least 3 months.. you learn alot about yourself and if you are decent you can make a decent living, but the hours are horrible

 

[christz]

i'm sorry but this analogy just doesn't work with women. You can have the gift of gab to get women laughing and buying whatever you throw at them. But outside of work.. in a place that doesnt' FORCE you to talk and be a conversationalist you will fail because its not your job, you have no purpose no REASON to talk. and therefor approch anxiety will ensu.

I say this because i've been in retail since i was 17 and am now a retail manager for a sporting company called the finishline. let me tell you its simple for me to chat it up to any type of girl, hell i've even said to one customer you look sexy in that outfit, your gonna make me wanna take you home.

and sure i get blushing and laughing but it don't mean shyt. its just salesmen to customer interaction.

 

[Dongfu]

i'm sorry but this analogy just doesn't work with women. You can have the gift of gab to get women laughing and buying whatever you throw at them. But outside of work.. in a place that doesnt' FORCE you to talk and be a conversationalist you will fail because its not your job, you have no purpose no REASON to talk. and therefor approch anxiety will ensu.

Not your job? Bro, your job as a pick-up artist, or Penis Salesman, as I call it, is to sell your product. ***** is the payment. Your biological urge is the reason you do it. The universe is forcing you to act, which is a much stronger motivator than a paycheck, or a boss, who may not even be in the store.

 

[backbreaker]

i'm sorry but this analogy just doesn't work with women. You can have the gift of gab to get women laughing and buying whatever you throw at them. But outside of work.. in a place that doesnt' FORCE you to talk and be a conversationalist you will fail because its not your job, you have no purpose no REASON to talk. and therefor approch anxiety will ensu.

I say this because i've been in retail since i was 17 and am now a retail manager for a sporting company called the finishline. let me tell you its simple for me to chat it up to any type of girl, hell i've even said to one customer you look sexy in that outfit, your gonna make me wanna take you home.

and sure i get blushing and laughing but it don't mean shyt. its just salesmen to customer interaction.

first of all, your reading skills aren't that good. no one tried to compare the two. the title of the post is that a sales job can get you laid.

I will admit.. although it helped me get laid, It didnt help my game in the least bit. I never had to leave work for dates and I talked to about 200 women in a month... 1-2 of them were going to have it for me, that's the law of avgs.

however if I went out in a club I was no different than I was normally. I talked to people at work because that's how I ate.

I will say there are some of the same preimiss however.

assuming no one else was on the lot and the lot up was mine.. I'd let the customer walk around and get "comfortable" before I bombared him. Then when I appraoched, I just started talking.. i never came out with a sales pitch. I always found something to compliment them on before I approached them.. the car they are trading in, the care they are looking at, their tie, whatever something to break the ice. I assumed the sale at all time.. I made them tell me now (and alot of them did)... Then I made them explain to me WHY no, and if it wasn't valid, i would get them back on the car.

Another analogy I will use is the guy who drives into a say.. mazda lot in a 07 Lexus RX300. No one is going to talk to him. I promise you. every experiened, or at least 9 out of 10 will do the same thing "it's not worht my time" (becuase it usually isn't). That is like the hot girl in the bar that no one will talk to because she's that HOT. but you never know what he's there for. I had a guy like that that was looking for a car for his 16 YO daughter.
I had another guy like that pulled up in a BMW 700series, right when we were closing, I was actually on the phone, heading to my car, and I happned to just say "can I help you with anything sir?", he was looking for his twin daughters new SUV's for their birthday in 3 days, knew exactly what he wanted, what he wanted to pay, he just needed a salesperson to write the deal up. i didn't make much money but for 30 mintues of work 300 bucks? I'll take it.

just because she is hot.. you don't know her situation.

but as far as just not being scared to talk to women.. i didn't overcome that until I just started talking to women.

As a car salesman.. it didn't matter where I worked...what i sold. all I needed was to talk to 8 people a day. if I could talk to 8 people a day, I would be in the top 2 in sales for the month. the only time I got outsold was when I went to a Nissan store and they had the leading salesperson in the state on staff, and he would get 50 out a month off nothing but refferals.. but I was selling 25 a month with ease because of the traffic and I wasn't afraid to talk to people.

 

[Dongfu]

The bottom line of the post is that any job in sales teaches you:

1. How to approach and greet people in a friendly manner.

2. How to discover what the person wants.

3. How to overcome objections. "No" must be okay if the objection is legitimate.

The fourth advantage is that you are consolidating your time and effort. If you can sell a car and set up a date for later, you are a very efficient salesman and pick-up artist.

The entire motivation for me to write Supersize Your Sex Life is because I discovered that the system I learned in sales works just as well on women. This can add a whole new dimension to your pick-up techniques.

Last night I converted a 5 year lesbian back to a full blown **** lover. I used the system. It was easy. I will post the story some other time. It was a truly outrageous experience, decorated with lesbian ****-blockers, a gay guy friend that I had to disarm who ended up fighting with her over me, in a hot tub at a resort. My friends laughing at me from the pool. It goes on and on. But the bottom is I used the system.

 

[Fluideruption]

Ron Martin

Dongfu, this looks like Ron Martin's sales system. Was this the inspiration for your book? I work in sales and have studied Ron's system, and I've definitely used it on a few women.

 

[Dongfu]

and sure i get blushing and laughing but it don't mean shyt. its just salesmen to customer interaction.

Approach women as if you were talking to one of your customers. What's the difference?

 

[Luke Skywalker]

I know hundreds, ok maybe 50+ of good-great salesmen who have little to no game. I've also worked with some of the $hitiest, laziest salesmen, who were able to consistently pull as4. What are you gonna do, pull the Ben Franklin close when you get $hit tested?

Well, I must be in that category, I'm a Real-Estate agent. Now, I'm far from a great salesagent, but I still make enough for a decent living, but am still rather shy with girls. I may be at my chronological age at my sales profession, but still feel like a child when it comes to girls I'm limerant on.

But I think RE still has analogies with women:

1) I don't have enough confidence to make listing presentations, so I bring a wing-lady with me to seal the deal and split 50/50 with her.
2) Selling an appointment for someone to see you or a date to see homes seems similar to setting up dates with women.
3) Closing or making ultimate deal, when you make the deal and get a commission would be like what people think about getting laid or whatever, or a conquest.

I've dealt with some attractive customers who were so hot that closing a deal and getting paid was not my prime motivation for being with them and would jerk off when I get home.

Notice how paid and laid rhyme.